Comments on: America: Home of the Free & Land of the Armed http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/ All the news not fit to print: Gary Brecher the War Nerd, Mark Ames, Yasha Levine, Eileen Jones and the rest of Team eXiled Thu, 24 May 2012 01:46:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Adam http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-26076 Adam Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:14:39 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-26076 If a civil war did break out, don't you think government forces would immediately target registered gun owners first? If a civil war did break out, don’t you think government forces would immediately target registered gun owners first?

]]> By: Ted Scoucroft http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-2379 Ted Scoucroft Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:20:58 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-2379 That`s Great kill each other all illed jerks That`s Great

kill each other all illed jerks

]]> By: Joe http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-2375 Joe Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:33:29 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-2375 Obama IS after our guns. "Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In Friday, November 07, 2008 Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign slogan, "the audacity of hope," should have instead been "the audacity of deceit." After months of telling the American people that he supports the Second Amendment, and only hours after being declared the president-elect, the Obama transition team website announced an agenda taken straight from the anti-gun lobby--four initiatives designed to ban guns and drive law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers out of business: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4227 Obama IS after our guns.

“Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns”–Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In
Friday, November 07, 2008

Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign slogan, “the audacity of hope,” should have instead been “the audacity of deceit.” After months of telling the American people that he supports the Second Amendment, and only hours after being declared the president-elect, the Obama transition team website announced an agenda taken straight from the anti-gun lobby–four initiatives designed to ban guns and drive law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers out of business:
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4227

]]> By: codemaster7 http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-2188 codemaster7 Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:18:28 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-2188 @ Jacob John Lott would disagree with you, as well as the latest FBI study on guns and crime. Check your facts before spouting leftist hippy BS. @ Jacob

John Lott would disagree with you, as well as the latest FBI study on guns and crime. Check your facts before spouting leftist hippy BS.

]]> By: Jacqui http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1915 Jacqui Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:55:17 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1915 As a child in England I watched an endless stream of American Westerns on TV and I always wanted all the cowboys to shoot each other and let the Indians get their land back. Maybe my childhood wish may come true after all. As a child in England I watched an endless stream of American Westerns on TV and I always wanted all the cowboys to shoot each other and let the Indians get their land back. Maybe my childhood wish may come true after all.

]]> By: Tom Lessoskallow http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1911 Tom Lessoskallow Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:09:37 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1911 I have lived, travelled and hitchhiked across Europe, Russia and the US. But nowhere I have been has there been such paranoia regarding strangers like in the US. As anyone can attest who has travelled like me the truth is you shouldn't be afraid of people but be afraid that they are afraid of you. And I believe that widespread gun ownership has contributed to the great American paranoia. And I also believe that people who are afraid of each other are much easier to keep down than people who trust each other. I believe the Government and any thinking person knows that as well. The bottom line: Divide and rule and gun ownership as an insurance against government is just as much an American illusion as endless credit. It'll be awhile before Americans wake up to this reality but they will I have lived, travelled and hitchhiked across Europe, Russia and the US. But nowhere I have been has there been such paranoia regarding strangers like in the US. As anyone can attest who has travelled like me the truth is you shouldn’t be afraid of people but be afraid that they are afraid of you. And I believe that widespread gun ownership has contributed to the great American paranoia. And I also believe that people who are afraid of each other are much easier to keep down than people who trust each other. I believe the Government and any thinking person knows that as well. The bottom line: Divide and rule and gun ownership as an insurance against government is just as much an American illusion as endless credit. It’ll be awhile before Americans wake up to this reality but they will

]]> By: Merc http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1751 Merc Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:12:10 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1751 Amos - he's got logic trouble. On the one hand, I'm an imbecile according the Amos. On the other hand, he must constantly inform everyone that I'm an imbecile. See this is where the fallacy is: If I am an imbecile, then one would pick up on that right away, ergo there's no need to call me an imbecile. Thus (this is where Amos usually gets lost), by telling others that one is an imbecile, you Amos, are saying that the other readers are too stupid to pick up an imbecile, and thus insulting not just me, but the forum as a whole. Good job - you show the World real Neocon spirit, whose agenda is "If in doubt, insult, ignore, insult, ignore...wait why are we so unpopular? Insult, ignore...." Amos – he’s got logic trouble. On the one hand, I’m an imbecile according the Amos. On the other hand, he must constantly inform everyone that I’m an imbecile. See this is where the fallacy is: If I am an imbecile, then one would pick up on that right away, ergo there’s no need to call me an imbecile.
Thus (this is where Amos usually gets lost), by telling others that one is an imbecile, you Amos, are saying that the other readers are too stupid to pick up an imbecile, and thus insulting not just me, but the forum as a whole. Good job – you show the World real Neocon spirit, whose agenda is “If in doubt, insult, ignore, insult, ignore…wait why are we so unpopular? Insult, ignore….”

]]> By: jlbraun http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1735 jlbraun Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:27:04 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1735 I'm a liberal in support of universal healthcare and the environment, against all foreign wars, and for gay marriage. I also own a semi-auto copy of the AK-47 as well as a high-capacity 9mm pistol. I participate in combat shooting matches, and have a concealed carry permit. I do not hunt. Just wished to speak up as a gun owning liberal. There are more of us out there than you think. If you're a liberal thinking about buying a gun, come to thehighroad.us and ask around. We'll answer your questions and get you pointed in the right direction. I’m a liberal in support of universal healthcare and the environment, against all foreign wars, and for gay marriage.

I also own a semi-auto copy of the AK-47 as well as a high-capacity 9mm pistol. I participate in combat shooting matches, and have a concealed carry permit. I do not hunt.

Just wished to speak up as a gun owning liberal. There are more of us out there than you think. If you’re a liberal thinking about buying a gun, come to thehighroad.us and ask around. We’ll answer your questions and get you pointed in the right direction.

]]> By: Fissile http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1579 Fissile Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:19:46 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1579 I'll agree with the skeptics, most of the new gun owners are deluding themselves. Buying a gun at 40 years of age, and thinking it'll help during a complete breakdown of society, is like buying a tool kit at Sears, and believing it'll make you a master mechanic. I learned to shoot when I was 11 years old, most of my friends have military experience, we're experienced hunters who work out regularly, we understand small unit operations. Despite our experience, my friends and I understand that we'd be toast if we went toe-to-toe with any NG unit sporting crew fired weapons. Forget about fighting off the Gov forces, most recent buyers won't last 5 minutes up against me and my buddies. All your tofu is belong to us now. I’ll agree with the skeptics, most of the new gun owners are deluding themselves. Buying a gun at 40 years of age, and thinking it’ll help during a complete breakdown of society, is like buying a tool kit at Sears, and believing it’ll make you a master mechanic. I learned to shoot when I was 11 years old, most of my friends have military experience, we’re experienced hunters who work out regularly, we understand small unit operations. Despite our experience, my friends and I understand that we’d be toast if we went toe-to-toe with any NG unit sporting crew fired weapons. Forget about fighting off the Gov forces, most recent buyers won’t last 5 minutes up against me and my buddies. All your tofu is belong to us now.

]]> By: LatexSolarBeef http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1552 LatexSolarBeef Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:41:18 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1552 Like the man said: "An armed society is a polite society." Like the man said:

“An armed society is a polite society.”

]]> By: Manny The Mooch http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1548 Manny The Mooch Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:23:46 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1548 My dear Americans! What will blowing away a repo man, a brother wage slave with a mortgage to service and family to feed achieve? Nothing! The only just thing to do is to seek out the bastards who got you all into this mess in the first place - the greedy Wall Streeters who dreamed up, "structured" and profited from all those CDO and CDS and other so-called "financial instruments". Their bosses and "top" management who stupidly or greedily okayed their theft and encouraged more with their fat bonuses. Come the revolution lead will be spat and blood must be spilled!!! My dear Americans! What will blowing away a repo man, a brother wage slave with a mortgage to service and family to feed achieve? Nothing! The only just thing to do is to seek out the bastards who got you all into this mess in the first place – the greedy Wall Streeters who dreamed up, “structured” and profited from all those CDO and CDS and other so-called “financial instruments”. Their bosses and “top” management who stupidly or greedily okayed their theft and encouraged more with their fat bonuses. Come the revolution lead will be spat and blood must be spilled!!!

]]> By: wengler http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1509 wengler Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:37:42 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1509 You can read the Armed Citizen in the NRA's membership magazine all you want, but having a gun is much more about psychological security than actual security. Most times you will be unarmed when facing a situation where you would want a gun. However, using a gun to deter certain behavior can be highly effective. Your society can be armed and very violent, or unarmed and very violent. Just like it can be armed and peaceful or unarmed and violent(the Hutus didn't need guns). Any civil conflict would involve a split in the military command, which would include materiel. So don't fear, if you don't have a gun now the side you are fighting for will have them. And if they don't it is just you and 20 other guys about to be crushed. Get a handgun if you like range shooting, but don't expect to ever use it in anger. Bullets get expensive in wartime anyways. I'd be less concerned about the gun and more concerned about the availability of ammunition. You can read the Armed Citizen in the NRA’s membership magazine all you want, but having a gun is much more about psychological security than actual security. Most times you will be unarmed when facing a situation where you would want a gun. However, using a gun to deter certain behavior can be highly effective.

Your society can be armed and very violent, or unarmed and very violent. Just like it can be armed and peaceful or unarmed and violent(the Hutus didn’t need guns). Any civil conflict would involve a split in the military command, which would include materiel. So don’t fear, if you don’t have a gun now the side you are fighting for will have them. And if they don’t it is just you and 20 other guys about to be crushed.

Get a handgun if you like range shooting, but don’t expect to ever use it in anger. Bullets get expensive in wartime anyways. I’d be less concerned about the gun and more concerned about the availability of ammunition.

]]> By: Amos http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1481 Amos Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:44:20 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1481 Hey you know what I do? I actually defocus my eyes as soon as I see his name on the top of the post to make sure I don't accidentally read any of it, ha ha Hey you know what I do? I actually defocus my eyes as soon as I see his name on the top of the post to make sure I don’t accidentally read any of it, ha ha

]]> By: Dammerung http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1471 Dammerung Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:47:12 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1471 Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun. Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun.

]]> By: Amos http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1463 Amos Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:09:41 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1463 Sorry Merc, didn't read your crap. I have a rule about engaging with imbeciles. Sorry Merc, didn’t read your crap. I have a rule about engaging with imbeciles.

]]> By: ShMiller http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1461 ShMiller Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:48:26 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1461 As long as Amos isn't actually Canadian ... think' that'd make me puke. As long as Amos isn’t actually Canadian … think’ that’d make me puke.

]]> By: Merc http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1458 Merc Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:17:22 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1458 Hey Amos, remember you saying you're not American: (post #52 in the "My Boyz taking my tips" article) "calling me a Klan supporter and assuming I’m an American (I’m not) who lives in a trailer park (I don’t)." You seem to defend Americans quite often for not being an American. Oh America - how sad it is, Americans pretending not to be Americans, in order to give their arguments credibility to defend America. Damn, I did not realize America has fallen this much. Thank you for showing me that Amos. Or maybe I'm wrong and Amos is just an outlier. Either way, go buy your gun folks. It won't protect you from the military, but it'll protect you from the police and more importantly the bankers, poll workers and door to door salesmen. Oh, and its quite effective against Gangsters too, most of them aren't wearing body armor. Hey Amos, remember you saying you’re not American: (post #52 in the “My Boyz taking my tips” article) “calling me a Klan supporter and assuming I’m an American (I’m not) who lives in a trailer park (I don’t).”

You seem to defend Americans quite often for not being an American. Oh America – how sad it is, Americans pretending not to be Americans, in order to give their arguments credibility to defend America. Damn, I did not realize America has fallen this much. Thank you for showing me that Amos.

Or maybe I’m wrong and Amos is just an outlier. Either way, go buy your gun folks. It won’t protect you from the military, but it’ll protect you from the police and more importantly the bankers, poll workers and door to door salesmen. Oh, and its quite effective against Gangsters too, most of them aren’t wearing body armor.

]]> By: Baked Dr. Luny http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1452 Baked Dr. Luny Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:55:43 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1452 Gun ownership can really only protect the people from really blatant and severe abuses. I'm talking North Korea-style fuck-ups that cause people to die of starvation, we'd have a coup long before people started up a revolution. Gun ownership can really only protect the people from really blatant and severe abuses. I’m talking North Korea-style fuck-ups that cause people to die of starvation, we’d have a coup long before people started up a revolution.

]]> By: Stuck in Jersey http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1447 Stuck in Jersey Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:42:15 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1447 Yup. Sleepers all over. I'm one of them. Got the itch outta the blue back in '05. Took a handgun safety class, and haven't looked back. Yup.

Sleepers all over. I’m one of them. Got the itch outta the blue back in ’05. Took a handgun safety class, and haven’t looked back.

]]> By: ShMiller http://exiledonline.com/america-home-of-the-free-land-of-the-armed/comment-page-1/#comment-1445 ShMiller Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:23:19 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=2480#comment-1445 I hate hearing the "Stalin disarmed people too!" argument. He disarmed them because few would have the balls to shoot at Stalin's Red Army anyway. In other words, it was just a formality. Stalin didn't mess around ... just ask Chechnya sometime. By the time these dictators are strong enough to grab people's guns, it's usually too late already. One dictator who didn't disarm the population is Saddam Hussein; being armed is just too deeply ingrained in the fabric of Iraqi society. That was a bridge too far even for him to cross. And yet he seemed to run a nice Republic of Fear n' all even though people could occasionally shoot at him. (And once in a blue moon they did ... much to the detriment of their extended family and possibly entire village) I hate hearing the “Stalin disarmed people too!” argument. He disarmed them because few would have the balls to shoot at Stalin’s Red Army anyway. In other words, it was just a formality. Stalin didn’t mess around … just ask Chechnya sometime.

By the time these dictators are strong enough to grab people’s guns, it’s usually too late already.

One dictator who didn’t disarm the population is Saddam Hussein; being armed is just too deeply ingrained in the fabric of Iraqi society. That was a bridge too far even for him to cross. And yet he seemed to run a nice Republic of Fear n’ all even though people could occasionally shoot at him. (And once in a blue moon they did … much to the detriment of their extended family and possibly entire village)

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