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	<title>Comments on: Bad Water, Bleeding Gums and Gangrene Legs In Victorville</title>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://exiledonline.com/bad-water-bleeding-gums-and-gangrene-legs-in-victorville/comment-page-1/#comment-28917</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Don&#039;t drink the f - -k ing water.  I talked to a young kid who was in remission from cancer from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Don&#8217;t drink the f &#8211; -k ing water.  I talked to a young kid who was in remission from cancer from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://exiledonline.com/bad-water-bleeding-gums-and-gangrene-legs-in-victorville/comment-page-1/#comment-28916</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you try Erin Brokovich.  She is the one who exposed the water problem just a bit north of this berg.  You need someone of that caliber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you try Erin Brokovich.  She is the one who exposed the water problem just a bit north of this berg.  You need someone of that caliber.</p>
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		<title>By: DOUG OSBORNE</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOUG OSBORNE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Click on # 3 above my comment and see if you recognize anyone.   I am the only one that has sued BOTH the State and County for Arsenic Poisoning.  The put 10 lawyers on me and I had to ask that the case be dismissed and it was WITHOUT PREJUDICE.  I could get no lawyer to take the case and I was in way over my head.   I have been found to be arsenic poisoned to the top of the scale at Loma Linda Hospital both urine and blood tests.  So What?  No one gives a shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Click on # 3 above my comment and see if you recognize anyone.   I am the only one that has sued BOTH the State and County for Arsenic Poisoning.  The put 10 lawyers on me and I had to ask that the case be dismissed and it was WITHOUT PREJUDICE.  I could get no lawyer to take the case and I was in way over my head.   I have been found to be arsenic poisoned to the top of the scale at Loma Linda Hospital both urine and blood tests.  So What?  No one gives a shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Expat in BY</title>
		<link>http://exiledonline.com/bad-water-bleeding-gums-and-gangrene-legs-in-victorville/comment-page-1/#comment-15767</link>
		<dc:creator>Expat in BY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12. Spike

Was saddened to see your source wasn&#039;t completely available online (they often truncate books on Google), as it did look interesting, but I did find additional sources on the arsenic issues you brought up: http://www.cwac.net/drinking_water/aquifer_storage.html

At least in the Wisconsin case I&#039;ve cited, it looks like the issue is local. Granted, when you pump water into an aquifer, it&#039;s going to become acidic and dissolve minerals in the rock layers on the way down and back up no matter where you are, but if the arsenic-laden layer of soil or rock is absent (either between the aquifer and the surface, or on the edges of the aquifer itself), then you shouldn&#039;t get arsenic in the ground water. 

But then I wanted to see if this sort of project was being tried in Victorville - apparently these ASR projects are quite popular these days in the West. Googling &quot;Aquifer Storage and Recovery Victorville&quot; turned up a paper from 2004 indicating that you might have had a direct hit on what the problem was with Victorville&#039;s water.

Good job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12. Spike</p>
<p>Was saddened to see your source wasn&#8217;t completely available online (they often truncate books on Google), as it did look interesting, but I did find additional sources on the arsenic issues you brought up: <a href="http://www.cwac.net/drinking_water/aquifer_storage.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cwac.net/drinking_water/aquifer_storage.html</a></p>
<p>At least in the Wisconsin case I&#8217;ve cited, it looks like the issue is local. Granted, when you pump water into an aquifer, it&#8217;s going to become acidic and dissolve minerals in the rock layers on the way down and back up no matter where you are, but if the arsenic-laden layer of soil or rock is absent (either between the aquifer and the surface, or on the edges of the aquifer itself), then you shouldn&#8217;t get arsenic in the ground water. </p>
<p>But then I wanted to see if this sort of project was being tried in Victorville &#8211; apparently these ASR projects are quite popular these days in the West. Googling &#8220;Aquifer Storage and Recovery Victorville&#8221; turned up a paper from 2004 indicating that you might have had a direct hit on what the problem was with Victorville&#8217;s water.</p>
<p>Good job.</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 02:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read about it in the book, &lt;i&gt;Mirage&lt;i&gt;, which is about Florida&#039;s water problems, and how they are exacerbated by greedy bastards trying to make a buck (kinda like the Victorville situation)

Here is the section on an &quot;Aquifer Storage and Recovery&quot; project that pumps clean water into the ground, but pumps arsenic-laden water out:

http://books.google.com/books?id=pqPcan5hNV0C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=florida+water&amp;ei=J1HJSvfBGqCMygTYloVL#v=onepage&amp;q=trouble%20underground&amp;f=false</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read about it in the book, <i>Mirage</i><i>, which is about Florida&#8217;s water problems, and how they are exacerbated by greedy bastards trying to make a buck (kinda like the Victorville situation)</p>
<p>Here is the section on an &#8220;Aquifer Storage and Recovery&#8221; project that pumps clean water into the ground, but pumps arsenic-laden water out:</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=pqPcan5hNV0C&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=florida+water&#038;ei=J1HJSvfBGqCMygTYloVL#v=onepage&#038;q=trouble%20underground&#038;f=false" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=pqPcan5hNV0C&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=florida+water&#038;ei=J1HJSvfBGqCMygTYloVL#v=onepage&#038;q=trouble%20underground&#038;f=false</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Expat in BY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expat in BY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8 Spike.

Good comment, but have to say this is a first time I&#039;ve heard about surface water carrying arsenic into a recharged aquifer. If that is the case, I&#039;d not want to be drinking water in Albuquerque, New Mexico, in a few years. They are recharging the aquifer there to use as a sort of underground reservoir, mostly to avoid evaporation losses in an expected regional drought.

Do you have a source for the recharged aquifer-arsenic problem? Wouldn&#039;t mind reading up on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8 Spike.</p>
<p>Good comment, but have to say this is a first time I&#8217;ve heard about surface water carrying arsenic into a recharged aquifer. If that is the case, I&#8217;d not want to be drinking water in Albuquerque, New Mexico, in a few years. They are recharging the aquifer there to use as a sort of underground reservoir, mostly to avoid evaporation losses in an expected regional drought.</p>
<p>Do you have a source for the recharged aquifer-arsenic problem? Wouldn&#8217;t mind reading up on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio Garcia</title>
		<link>http://exiledonline.com/bad-water-bleeding-gums-and-gangrene-legs-in-victorville/comment-page-1/#comment-15427</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d file a complaint against the water board for not disclosing life saving facts about there water quality. I would have rather of been told the truth like millions of people instead of drinking there water for 20 something years and then being told 20 years later O Ya DON&#039;T DRINK THE WATER IT MAY CONTAIN AN ARSENIC, That&#039;s why you hear about these cancer cases years later and these people wondering to there selves how in the heck did i develop tumors or cancer, i don&#039;t drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes and now I&#039;m dieing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d file a complaint against the water board for not disclosing life saving facts about there water quality. I would have rather of been told the truth like millions of people instead of drinking there water for 20 something years and then being told 20 years later O Ya DON&#8217;T DRINK THE WATER IT MAY CONTAIN AN ARSENIC, That&#8217;s why you hear about these cancer cases years later and these people wondering to there selves how in the heck did i develop tumors or cancer, i don&#8217;t drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes and now I&#8217;m dieing</p>
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		<title>By: Sombra, The Black Widow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sombra, The Black Widow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the water tastes pretty good. Levine is a weak little mensch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the water tastes pretty good. Levine is a weak little mensch.</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 02:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recharging aquifers with surface water is a common cause of arsenic spikes.  Arsenic is actually a very common element, and its already down there in the ground, but it is mostly inert and doesn&#039;t get dissolved by the old, fossilized water down there. But when water from the surface gets pumped underground, the high oxygen levels from the surface water cause the arsenic to dissolve,fucking up your well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recharging aquifers with surface water is a common cause of arsenic spikes.  Arsenic is actually a very common element, and its already down there in the ground, but it is mostly inert and doesn&#8217;t get dissolved by the old, fossilized water down there. But when water from the surface gets pumped underground, the high oxygen levels from the surface water cause the arsenic to dissolve,fucking up your well.</p>
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		<title>By: Expat in BY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expat in BY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arsenic is typically a product of mining. Areas of Fairbanks, Alaska, have the same problem because of gold mining operations. It typically takes years of exposure to start developing problems, but heightened levels like what you&#039;ve quoted, well, they still may not be too much a reason for concern as you are still new to the area.

Just drink more beer - and avoid whatever they are bottling at that new plant that Dr. Pepper is wanting to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arsenic is typically a product of mining. Areas of Fairbanks, Alaska, have the same problem because of gold mining operations. It typically takes years of exposure to start developing problems, but heightened levels like what you&#8217;ve quoted, well, they still may not be too much a reason for concern as you are still new to the area.</p>
<p>Just drink more beer &#8211; and avoid whatever they are bottling at that new plant that Dr. Pepper is wanting to build.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmy james</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Mamet didn&#039;t turn into a right wing retard he could have a field day with the shit going on today...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Mamet didn&#8217;t turn into a right wing retard he could have a field day with the shit going on today&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Mamet should write a Glengarry Glen Ross sequel in Victorville...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Mamet should write a Glengarry Glen Ross sequel in Victorville&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: what's my name?  fuck you, thats my name</title>
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		<dc:creator>what's my name?  fuck you, thats my name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Cause only one thing counts in this world: get them to sign on the line which is dotted. You hear me you fuckin&#039; faggots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Cause only one thing counts in this world: get them to sign on the line which is dotted. You hear me you fuckin&#8217; faggots?</p>
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		<title>By: Necronomic Justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Necronomic Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yasha, were you in Russia when the DailyPress ran this one:

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/oro-12375-grande-arsenic.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yasha, were you in Russia when the DailyPress ran this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/oro-12375-grande-arsenic.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/oro-12375-grande-arsenic.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Necronomic Justice</title>
		<link>http://exiledonline.com/bad-water-bleeding-gums-and-gangrene-legs-in-victorville/comment-page-1/#comment-15399</link>
		<dc:creator>Necronomic Justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy shit.</p>
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		<title>By: az</title>
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		<dc:creator>az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you forgot to add &quot;Yasha for mayor!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you forgot to add &#8220;Yasha for mayor!&#8221;</p>
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