“We want to make our community organizations democratic and militant and winning goals. I have no problem with fighting for reformist goals. If you can’t afford your rent, then you can’t live. So, you know what: I want rent control. If you can’t afford groceries because there’s no grocery store in your neighbourhood, because no grocery store would open up in that neighbourhood for whatever screwed up reasons – then I want a grocery store in there. If I could get it through reformist means, I will. . . when we fight for a raise and we learn how to fight together in a direct action sort of way, we win, we get stuff, and we become relevant. If we bring that – I don’t care if someone calls it anarchist or whatever, they can call it Dr. Seuss for all I care – when we win serious things for people that we’re involved in as well, we’re relevant and it’ll mean something.”

While in USA I did work for Sunrise hospital one of the biggest on the West USA that was parr of a bigf corporation. I have seen the raw data daily reports reports coming in every day at at 10 AM and this place was making 3 million a day net profit. After expenses, they had 1.5 million left. Not bad I say. Yet I have witnessed cases where the ER turned a way a homeless man who had just suffered a heart attack and he died right on the grass infront of the hospital. That’s USA for you.

I know what you’re saying, and you have a point: “Let’s get some plan, any plan, out there and then tinker with it, as it’s gotta be better than what we’re doing now”. In a more normal country, that might work.

But in a highly polarized, emotional, and poorly-read population, what will work? Maybe the military option you suggest has the greatest likelihood of success.

But what about a plan that is so bloated and focused on protecting the industry that it gives govt-managed healthcare an even worse name than it has now?

Since making my first post, I’ve had the idea that maybe Obamacare is a stealth bailout for the healthcare industry. After all, what will they do when most Americans are too poor to afford expensive care? Their pool of paying customers is shrinking. So help your campaign contributors and look like FDR at the same time.

Apparently not since 99.9% of what I read on the internet is still stuck in the false blame-right/left dichotomy like this article.

I also don’t think anyone claiming doomsday waiting times and doctor rationing has actually spoken to anyone living in a socialized medicine country.

In 1959,I was right about Van Doren.In 1972,I was right about Nixon.I’m going for the trifecta here.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/08/third-obama-birth-certificate-appears-in-court/

And here’s something that NO ONE will touch.
Needless to say, Goldman-Sachs, Billy Kristol’s PNAC “Iraq War NOW” lobby (founded 1997 – http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm) the Sulzberger family owned New York Times, the MEYER family owned Washington Post, and the Time/WARNER (of Hollywood Warner Bros. “where’s that rascally rabbit?” fame) (among many more powerful US media organizations) ARE ALL unrepentently ZIONIST owned, and pro-Zionist papers.
No crime in that.
BUT!! NO ONE, ANYWHERE, points out that the pro-Zionist US media giants ALL LOVE it when AMERICAN TAXPAYERS are FORCED to send BILLIONS of dollars to PROP UP ISRAEL’s economy… BILLIONS of AMERICAN TAXPAYER DOLLARS which SUBSIDIZE ISRAEL’s European-style ___SOCIALIZED___ health care.
The American Likudniks like BILL KRISTOL, Arthur SULZBERGER, billionaire SHELDON ADELSON, “Swiftboat Liars” funder SAM FOX, and all the other Righty Likudniks FAVOR SOCIALIZED Health Care… FOR ISRAELIS, SUBSIDIZED by AMERICAN taxpayers, but “SOCIALIZED!” health-care is of course TOO GOOD for American peons!!!
(The radical-right, Rabin-killing LIKUDNIK Party would FALL FROM POWER in Israel in a NY second, if they tried to demolish Israel’s Euro-style free health care.)
SO, BILL KRISTOL and all you other “American” Likudnik ghouls – WHY DON’T YOU GO CRUSH ISRAEL’s “Socialized”, US TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED health care system, BEFORE you tell us how OUR children should DIE from medical NEGLECT ?!

Today-at age 59-I walked almost five miles in an hour on this outdoor track in the blazing sun,being observed by corpulent minorities lying down under a shady tree.

Of course,they’re going to die prematurely.How come the Vancouver born kid in the White House never stresses this?

#1. Righties run around WHIPPING UP FEAR in seniors about “DEATH PANELS.”
HELLO??? WE ALREADY HAVE “death panels” – they’re called YOUR ‘health insurance’ company executives SENDING YOU & your hospital notice that COSTLY TREATMENT prescribed by your doctor WILL NOT BE COVERED – GO AHEAD AND DIE alreacy.
#2. Obama is now SO STUPID in his sell-out corruption, that he FAILS to point out A SINGLE American family that has been DRIVEN TO BANKRUPTCY by SKYROCKETING insurance premiums!
#3. Obama is now SO STUPIDLY corrupted, that he REFUSES to point out a single person who has been DRIVEN OUT OF BUSINESS by SKYROCKETING insurance premiums!
#4. Obama is now SO STUPID in his corruption, that he CAN’T FIND ONE FAMILY in America, forced to watch a loved one DIE, after that patient was DENIED treatment by an Insurance exec!
#5. Obama is SO STUPIDLY CORRUPTED, that he REFUSES to point out that Righties have A LOT OF DAMN GALL claiming that Democrats want to “take a huge chunk out of Medicare” – Righties & Repubs have BEEN TRYING TO KILL Medicare AND SOCIAL SECURITY for DECADES!
#5. Finally, but far from last) Righties Whip Up FEAR in Seniors about the EVILS of “SOCIALIZED health care”.
HELLO? 90% of these scared, insecure, and terrified seniors BITCHING about “Socialized health care” ARE ON Social Security & MEDICARE!!
Obama IS NOT EVEN TRYING to point the amazing hypocrisy of the Righties, because Obama, like his Goldamn-Sachs handlers, IS AGAINST expanded Medicare, much less Public Option, much less Single Payer.

Americans are now SO STUPID on this issue.. and their president is SO STUPIDLY CORRUPTED, that you can only conclude that American families DESERVE to CONTINUE TO BE TERRIFIED by their health-system nightmare, since no one in the country seems to be able to put the above simple points together in a competent media campaign that could EXPOSE the Righties & Industry as the HYPOCRITES, LIARS, GHOULS, & PARASITES that they are!

“IF American school children come down with a FATAL but POTENTIALLY TREATABLE disease, but their parents are too poor to afford PREMIUM ‘health insurance,’ THEY SHOULD NOT expect top-notch expensive health care, and should JUST GO AHEAD AND DIE ALREADY.”

(what Kristol actually says is) –
“Whenever I hear of a HEARTLESS ASSAULT on American schoolchildren” – (he was talking in support for Rethug President George W. Bush (Jr.) trying to VETO “SCHP” federally subsidized health insurance for low-income students last year) –
I TEND TO THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.”

the fact that Emanuel/Goldman-Sachs/obama co. does NOT use this Righty rhetoric to BEAT health care reform OBSTRUCTIONIST over the head ever 5 minutes on national TV, just shows that Obama is, yet again, ON THE SIDE OF BIG FINANCE, and AGAINST MILLIONS of American working-stiff families.