Comments on: Dr Pepper’s Wet Dream: Water, Government Subsidies and Transfer of Wealth in the Middle of the Desert http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/ All the news not fit to print: Gary Brecher the War Nerd, Mark Ames, Yasha Levine, Eileen Jones and the rest of Team eXiled Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:04:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Jimmy http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-16036 Jimmy Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:00:32 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-16036 This is just another example of poorly allocated resources due to state control of water. Public ownership is always a bad idea. In other words, I support my corporate slave masters. This is just another example of poorly allocated resources due to state control of water. Public ownership is always a bad idea. In other words, I support my corporate slave masters.

]]> By: Mojave66 http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-15084 Mojave66 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:20:46 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-15084 I grew up in nearby Barstow, and this is giving me heartburn. The dwindling Mojave river (runs backwards, underground) is the only source water for all these aquifers, and it's going to take a beating for a bottling plant that only provides 200 jobs?! Also, what's happening with the dairy farms at the headwaters? I remember a huge controversy a few years' back because what little water flowing downstream was contaminated from fecal bacteria. Given how the Inland Empire could care less about the Mojave, I'm betting nothing happened to clear that up. The "Best Stuff On Earth" indeed. I grew up in nearby Barstow, and this is giving me heartburn. The dwindling Mojave river (runs backwards, underground) is the only source water for all these aquifers, and it’s going to take a beating for a bottling plant that only provides 200 jobs?!

Also, what’s happening with the dairy farms at the headwaters? I remember a huge controversy a few years’ back because what little water flowing downstream was contaminated from fecal bacteria. Given how the Inland Empire could care less about the Mojave, I’m betting nothing happened to clear that up.

The “Best Stuff On Earth” indeed.

]]> By: Watertight Compartment http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14577 Watertight Compartment Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:54:42 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14577 I appreciate everything you do, I know my place and will only speak when spoken to. I appreciate everything you do, I know my place and will only speak when spoken to.

]]> By: WB http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14356 WB Fri, 11 Sep 2009 03:34:50 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14356 Hello, I am ready to be an anonymous shill for my corporate overlords. PS: This is where I live: <a href ="http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2261/img258.jpg" rel="nofollow"> <img src="http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2261/img258.jpg" width = "400" alt="map" /> </a> Hello, I am ready to be an anonymous shill for my corporate overlords.

PS: This is where I live:

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]]> By: az http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14342 az Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:39:29 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14342 Well don't you know that <a href="http://prahalathan.blogspot.com/2006/01/great-money-trick.html" rel="nofollow">money</a> is the cause of poverty, Sin Fronteras? This article wasn't too interesting though. I mean it outlines the public-private scam we all know about but as the environmental impact is only "The 250 million gallons of fresh water it uses over the course of one year would be enough to supply 1 percent of Victor Valley’s population," it doesn't seem that significant, unless that's a typo. Well don’t you know that money is the cause of poverty, Sin Fronteras?

This article wasn’t too interesting though. I mean it outlines the public-private scam we all know about but as the environmental impact is only “The 250 million gallons of fresh water it uses over the course of one year would be enough to supply 1 percent of Victor Valley’s population,” it doesn’t seem that significant, unless that’s a typo.

]]> By: Sin Fronteras http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14326 Sin Fronteras Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:51:38 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14326 @18 and @20 while you do the invisible hand job over the mythical free market, the rest of us will try our best to deal in the real world of capitalism as it actually exists. (Monetary) power begets (political) power. Individual capitalists never want more competition, they want to crush the rest of the competition. Always. @18 and @20 while you do the invisible hand job over the mythical free market, the rest of us will try our best to deal in the real world of capitalism as it actually exists.

(Monetary) power begets (political) power. Individual capitalists never want more competition, they want to crush the rest of the competition. Always.

]]> By: Roll http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14323 Roll Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:55:53 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14323 Ha ha ha ha ha stupid americans, happy 9/11 to you ! Ha ha ha ha ha stupid americans, happy 9/11 to you !

]]> By: Tam http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14320 Tam Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:57:49 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14320 @18 Well, duh! That's why I put the term free market in quotes, to suggest I didn't neccesarily agree with it. Apologies if this advanced grammatical technique was a bit too sophisticated for you to follow. @18

Well, duh! That’s why I put the term free market in quotes, to suggest I didn’t neccesarily agree with it.

Apologies if this advanced grammatical technique was a bit too sophisticated for you to follow.

]]> By: bob http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14313 bob Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:29:36 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14313 I love how people who depend on massive public subsidies (the california aqueduct was a public program) are the first to bitch about being pro-business and pro "free market." More like, how much can we loot the public treasury while giving little in return. I love how people who depend on massive public subsidies (the california aqueduct was a public program) are the first to bitch about being pro-business and pro “free market.”

More like, how much can we loot the public treasury while giving little in return.

]]> By: Robert Hodge http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14312 Robert Hodge Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:56:43 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14312 I love how you idiots here call the merging of private business and government "Free Market." In a true free market I highly doubt Dr. Pepper would be able to build this facility. But thanks to the government they can. I love how you idiots here call the merging of private business and government “Free Market.” In a true free market I highly doubt Dr. Pepper would be able to build this facility. But thanks to the government they can.

]]> By: wengler http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14302 wengler Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:19:29 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14302 Great article. Which city councilman is going to use this to run for higher office with the slogan "He created jobs!" If someone built me a factory, gave me the keys, and told me I would never have to pay taxes on it I think I could make a pretty good go of it too. Meanwhile small businesses can't even get a loan from the bank. Great article.

Which city councilman is going to use this to run for higher office with the slogan “He created jobs!”

If someone built me a factory, gave me the keys, and told me I would never have to pay taxes on it I think I could make a pretty good go of it too. Meanwhile small businesses can’t even get a loan from the bank.

]]> By: Slashgod http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14297 Slashgod Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:11:30 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14297 It's just one percent of their water consumption, and think about the fossil fuel and energy saved in transportation of sugared water from another area. It’s just one percent of their water consumption, and think about the fossil fuel and energy saved in transportation of sugared water from another area.

]]> By: Concerned Citizen http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14294 Concerned Citizen Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:14:17 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14294 This is why I'm glad to be living in the Great Lakes Region..specifically Wisconsin. All you poor bastards in the Southwest have a rough ride ahead of you--and don't even think about stealing our water, you fucking animals. Luckly, we've already thought that scenario through with the Great Lakes Compact which ensures the water in the Great Lakes will only be used for those in the region. In fact, given the way climate change is occuring, Wisconsin could very well be the future capitol of our nation as DC goes underwater due to rising levels and as the Southwest becomes inhabitable thanks to drought that you idiots knew was coming but did nothing about. You faggots haha. This is why I’m glad to be living in the Great Lakes Region..specifically Wisconsin. All you poor bastards in the Southwest have a rough ride ahead of you–and don’t even think about stealing our water, you fucking animals.

Luckly, we’ve already thought that scenario through with the Great Lakes Compact which ensures the water in the Great Lakes will only be used for those in the region. In fact, given the way climate change is occuring, Wisconsin could very well be the future capitol of our nation as DC goes underwater due to rising levels and as the Southwest becomes inhabitable thanks to drought that you idiots knew was coming but did nothing about. You faggots haha.

]]> By: Sin Fronteras http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14293 Sin Fronteras Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:34:22 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14293 @9 "Let them drink Coke! and eat cake . . ." @9 “Let them drink Coke! and eat cake . . .”

]]> By: DocAmazing http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14292 DocAmazing Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:19:19 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14292 Forget it, Dan. The water was over-promised; the agricuature is wasatefula nd absurd (some of these idiots are trying to put rice paddies in desert areas--they're that profligate and stupid), and the fish that is suffering is called "salmon"--the Pacific salmon fishery is at its worst point in decades, and diversion from the Delta is the reason. When farmers live in homes without lawns and practice drip irrigation I'll listen to your whine. Until then, they get to deal with the absence of a resource just like everyone else does--by doing without. Forget it, Dan. The water was over-promised; the agricuature is wasatefula nd absurd (some of these idiots are trying to put rice paddies in desert areas–they’re that profligate and stupid), and the fish that is suffering is called “salmon”–the Pacific salmon fishery is at its worst point in decades, and diversion from the Delta is the reason.

When farmers live in homes without lawns and practice drip irrigation I’ll listen to your whine. Until then, they get to deal with the absence of a resource just like everyone else does–by doing without.

]]> By: Fissile http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14289 Fissile Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:15:56 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14289 This kind of thing has been taking place all over the US for decades now. Major auto companies built factories in the the redneck states after getting the politicians to agree to monster giveaways of public money. If no one was outraged then, what makes you think they'll be outraged now? Here's something else that really gets my goat. "Victorville proper is not as keen on conservation. The city is not trying to sell the desert lifestyle, but attempts to re-create the suburban ideal of green lawns, lush trees and golf courses." Why the fuck do people move to a desert, and then try to make the place look like Paramus, New Jersey? I'm convinced that Russian satellites have been beaming stupid rays down on the USA for the past 40 years. This kind of thing has been taking place all over the US for decades now. Major auto companies built factories in the the redneck states after getting the politicians to agree to monster giveaways of public money. If no one was outraged then, what makes you think they’ll be outraged now?

Here’s something else that really gets my goat. “Victorville proper is not as keen on conservation. The city is not trying to sell the desert lifestyle, but attempts to re-create the suburban ideal of green lawns, lush trees and golf courses.”

Why the fuck do people move to a desert, and then try to make the place look like Paramus, New Jersey?

I’m convinced that Russian satellites have been beaming stupid rays down on the USA for the past 40 years.

]]> By: eric http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14288 eric Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:10:56 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14288 good article, my compliments. good article, my compliments.

]]> By: Dan http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14287 Dan Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:47:37 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14287 The real tragedy is building an aqueduct system and basing the survival of an entire population on the concept that water will be transported at stated quantities. Then after 40 years of supplying water, to grow agriculture and communities, having a wracked out judge decide to turn off the pumps because of a possibility that a fish will suffer. Some things are just wrong and pulling the plug on the California Aqueduct system is a travesty. The real tragedy is building an aqueduct system and basing the survival of an entire population on the concept that water will be transported at stated quantities. Then after 40 years of supplying water, to grow agriculture and communities, having a wracked out judge decide to turn off the pumps because of a possibility that a fish will suffer.

Some things are just wrong and pulling the plug on the California Aqueduct system is a travesty.

]]> By: Brad http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14285 Brad Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:01:03 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14285 I know 700,000 gallons a day sounds like a lot, but that's only three acre-feet per day. If 70 percent is "conserved", then that nets only one acre-foot per day. A 160 acre field of alfalfa takes approximately 1 and three quarter acre feet per day, averaged over one year. I grew up on my family's farm. Irrigated agriculture consumes a massive amount of water, and provides a small number of low paying, back-breaking jobs in exchange. Just wanted to offer some perspective. I know 700,000 gallons a day sounds like a lot, but that’s only three acre-feet per day. If 70 percent is “conserved”, then that nets only one acre-foot per day. A 160 acre field of alfalfa takes approximately 1 and three quarter acre feet per day, averaged over one year.

I grew up on my family’s farm. Irrigated agriculture consumes a massive amount of water, and provides a small number of low paying, back-breaking jobs in exchange.

Just wanted to offer some perspective.

]]> By: aleke http://exiledonline.com/dr-peppers-wet-dream-water-government-subsidies-and-transfer-of-wealth-in-the-middle-of-the-desert/comment-page-1/#comment-14280 aleke Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:05:13 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=12314#comment-14280 DuuhUHuhuh its just weather, Zletceta. Do not believe these lies, growth now growth forever! [Does a rain dance as rioting Maya peasants draw near] DuuhUHuhuh its just weather, Zletceta. Do not believe these lies, growth now growth forever! [Does a rain dance as rioting Maya peasants draw near]

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