The problem with Michael Moore has been his message. Go out and vote for the Democrats. As anyone with a brain knows, looking to Obama and his Wallstreet cronies who financed his election, to help us on mainstreet is ridiculous. Either Michael is being incredibly naive and silly or dumb and a liar when telling interviewer Charlie Rose that he’s so disappointed in Mr. Obama.

He may very well have made a pact with the devil to get big Hollywood financing he had to keep the Ruling CLass message in tact – vote for the Democrats and all will be well. He even actively fought against Ralph Nader’s last presidential candidacy, the only one who spoke the truth about what Michael’s talking about.

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Censor that and you are condonning child rape and murder for entertainment Ames.

I masturbate to gay Jewish porn. Do you?

Which would be all the time.

The actual Serb DEFIANCE of ol’ Adolf was actually closer to TWO DAYS !!
(could use a little help here)
but provoked the “barbarous genius” of Hitler into no less than…”the most catastrophic decision of his entire career.”
As this blatantly pro-Serb post lays out…. but only by exclusively quoting William L. Shirer’s masterpiece, “The Rise & Fall of the Third Reich.”
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/book-shirer.html
Needless to say, the fatal, unforgivable sin in war is HUBRIS and ARROGANCE… and the “Greed Is Good” masters of the universe, er, “masters of capitalism” have been wallowing in hubris since at least Gordon Gecko appeared on big screens in 1987.

@ #56 wrote: “does your preoccupation with the ethno-religious identity of those who subscribe to various political ideologies so distract you that the pain and discomfort is a vague memory?

I’d be more inclined to see a WASP conspiracy at work…”

Hey, you vulgar idiot – WHAT THE HELL do you think “WASP” stands for ???

“White Anglo-Saxon PROTESTANT.”
And that “P” is not just a superfluous “ADD ON” letter… PROTESTANTISM _defined_ the English wars vs France, Spain (hello, every hear of the ARMADA??!), the Irish, and even suppressing the Scots, “Bonnie Prince Charlie” and the “JACOBITES” were Catholics bent (as Queen “Bloody Mary” had tried before) on restoring The One True Faith throughout England – Protestants be tied to the stake! (and lit on fire, that is).
There can be no doubt – THE big reason the Brits were SO MURDEROUSLY FEROCIOUS in their occupation of Ireland (and Scotland), was precisely because they were so paranoid of their neighbors INVITING IN LARGE,(Catholic) ARMIES of the GREAT continental EMPIRES of the age when (prior to defeat of Armada) England was just a small, European backwater compared to France and Spain… and, as in so many tribal wars, ethnic conflicts, and imperial conflicts, RELIGION was often a major, THE MAJOR defining characteristic.

(The ONLY difference between Serbs & Croats is their religious affiliations, Orthodox & Catholic respectively.. the Ustashe/Nazi/CATHOLIC GENOCIDE of Yugoslavian Serbs claimed an estimated 800,000 victims during WWII, for the Serbs having the temerity to hold out for TWO WHOLE WEEKS before giving in to Hitler’s demands!

The Jews dominate and they will always be on top due to there coalitions and group strategy of helping each other out and acquire a monopoly in each field.
They started with there domination of the banks creating powerful banking dynasties, then political organs and secret societies and media.

The US is essentially a colony of Israel.

“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
– Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

Countries that don’t yield to there dominion like Tzarist Russia or Iraq, etc they will use the power of the state to exert there control over that country like they got the US to attack Iraq and are pushing for war against Iran.

“Moore is too simplistic”

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“Moore has presented the issue in a way that I can understand – and it hurts. I’d rather it was explained in way complicated enough for me not to gain insight – so i can ignore the obvious and cling onto my fluffy fantasies.”

I’d be more inclined to see a WASP conspiracy at work, but what does it matter? The point is that the economic system in operation on this planet is destructive and deadly, and it must be changed over the opposition of that fraction of the population (whatever their various ethnicities and religions are) that disproportionately benefits from it.

1. Catholics, I agree, were allowed in certain parts of the Russian Empire (more specifically, from present western Belarus westward), but they weren’t allowed in all parts of Russia, and certainly not in Georgia, which was never dominated by the Roman Church (despite Catholicate appearing in the names of various Orthodox Sees south of the Caucasus). After the Russian occupation of Georgia was completed during Tsar Alexander I’s time, the only church allowed to operate in the Georgian Exarchy was the Russian Orthodox Church (and it stayed that way until the brief post-revolutionary Georgian republic in the 1920s).

2. Beso and Keke Djugashvili were very definitely not Catholic and were not all that influential. Beso was a cobler that drank himself slowly into oblivion (after his wife suffered a series of failed pregnancies before Joseph’s birth). In fact, the reason Joseph Djugashvili was allowed in the Gori Church School and the Orthodox Seminary at all was because of the stubborn will of his mother, Keke, not the “influence” of Beso, who anyway wanted his son to be a cobbler like him.

3. As you quoted from Stalin, he described his training as Jesuitic, or Jesuit-like, but the school was run by an Orthodox Archimandrite by the name of Serafim. Archimandrite is not a normal Catholic office and certainly not a Jesuit office, it’s an Orthodox office. The so-named “Tiflis Orthodox Seminary” does not need to be Jesuit in order to be run in a manner similar to a Jesuit institution.

4. Stalin’s “academic life” at the Tiflis Weather Observatory consisted of spending 3 nights a week on a weather tower taking hourly temperature and barometer readings (“probationer-observer”). He got the job through a friend from Gori who already held the position on a different shift. To call his work there as some kind of academic career is like saying a casual employee of Harvard University is a member of the faculty.

5. Officially, he failed seminary because he didn’t attend the final examination. He had a personality conflict with the only Georgian priest at the institution, who was trying to show he could be stricter than any Russian. If the priests had control of the rebelious pro-Georgian culture of the seminary, there would have been no revolutionaries to have emerged there. Stalin was very pro-Georgian in his early days as a revolutionary.

The short of all this is that there was no Jesuit conspiracy in the Transcaucasus. There were other conspiracies, and perhaps the occasionally traveling Jesuit priest of little or no interest passing through, but Stalin’s life story is hardly involved with the Society of Jesus (though it may have involved a “Jesuitic” youth, by his own description). Maybe you would be more correct to say that the Social Democrats (future “Communists”) in the South Caucasus took after the Jesuits during their revolutionary phase, rather than suggesting they were controlled by them in some sinister plot.

The ipso facto corrolary of this is that the ROTHSCHILDS were THE MOST POWERFUL, influential, AND PROFITABLE London financial institutions… during BOTH the OPIUM PUSHING war, AND the MASS FAMINE “enclosures” of Ireland!!

As we all know, all professional communities are small worlds, especially when you get to the very top strata. Much less the top tier of the MEGA FINANCIAL institutions (especially before the Arabs, Japanese, and China came roaring on the scene in the past 5 decades.)
In Western (US/Anglo) financial world, JP MORGAN, GOLDMAN-SACHS, CITI, CHASE, NY Bank Mellon, and probably even (former Charlotte based NCNB, now) Bank of America are ALL CLOSELY ALLIED with the Rothschilds’ Neo-Con/Likdunik (Israel Right-Wing) agenda… WebOfDebt.com explains that many financial historians consider JP Morgan to have been the Rothschilds’ FRONT MAN in America for the 1st half of the 20th Century; and the rise of Goldamn-Sachs in America this 2nd half of the 20th century represents the family being able to DISPENSE with the pretense of a gentile front bank.

(Which is to say, THEY REALLY ARE BEHIND ALL of the great economic atrocities of the past 150+ years, including our current $23 trillion – nearly 2x the ENTIRE US annual GDP – derivatives failures/foreclosures/bankrupticies “BAILOUTS for BANKERS ONLY” Recession!)

That is a main stream book they will never ever publish it with the facts of the Jewish connection to Communism. I imagine they will probably stress the bogus notion of Stalin “anti-Semitism” although he was nice enough to create a purely Jewish state in Russia’s Far East and the only Jews he killed en mass where Jewish commissars.

@Josephus P. Franks

The first Communist terrorist organisations in Russia including the one that murdered Tsar Alexander where Jewish. Jews subverted traditional concepts of social governance for there own objective like they do now in the US under Neo-Conservatism to advance there political agenda. Or the fact that the exiled Marxist groups in the US (New York) that comprised the bulk of then new government where 90-95% Jewish and the Bolsheviks never destroyed a single synagogue.

First Russian Marxists Were Jewish

Nicholas Utin, a Jew, the First Russian Marxist, 1860′s to 1870′s.

Instrumental in Creating a Russian Section in the First Communist International.
‘In the 1860s and ’70s, Jewish activists occupied some of the highest positions in the fledgling Russian revolutionary movement.

The “pioneer of Russian-Jewish revolutionary action” was Nicholas Utin, a baptized Jew who was instrumental in creating a Russian Section in the First International.
Known as the first Russian Marxist, Utin was prominent in the struggle of the International’s Marxian wing against the anarchistic tactics of Bakunin. ‘

Philip Mendes, THE NEW LEFT, THE JEWS AND THE VIETNAM WAR, 1965-1972, Lazare Press, North Caulfield, Victoria, Australia, p 10 from material printed originally in Parkin, A.L. The Origins of the Russian-Jewish Labour Movement. F.W.Cheshire Pty Ltd. Melbourne. 1947. p80.

Jewish Russian Social-Democrats 1883
Jewess Assassin of Tsar Alexander
Jewish Founders of the Russian Social-Democratic Movement in 1883
Hesya Helfmann, Jewish Assassin of Tzar Alexander

“Utin was followed by a great number of Jews including Mark Natanson, the founder of the Russian Narodnik movement, Paul Axeirod who together with George Plckahnov and Vera Zasulitch formed the “Triumvirate” of the founders of the Russian Social-Democratic movement in 1883, Rosalie Bograd who married Plekhanov, Meir Molodetsky, Gregory Goldenberg, Mw Deutch, Vladimir Jochelson, Aaron Sundelievitch, and Hesya Helfmann, who was among those sentenced to death for the assassination of Czar Alexander.”

– Philip Mendes, THE NEW LEFT, THE JEWS AND THE VIETNAM WAR, 1965-1972, Lazare Press, North Caulfield, Victoria, Australia, p 10 from information found in: Parkin, A.L. The Origins of the Russian-Jewish Labour Movement. F.W.Cheshire Pty Ltd. Melbourne. 1947. pp8O-84; Feuer, Op Cit, pp157-158; Ascher, Abraham. “Pavel Axelrod: A Conflict Between Jewish Loyalty and Revolutionary Dedication” in Russian Review 24 1965, pp249-265; Schapiro, Leonard. “The Role of the Jews in the Russian Revolutionary Movement” in Slavonic and East European Review 490 (Dec 1961), pp 148-167.

Jewish Socialist Youth

Jewish Socialism in 1980-1890.

Revolutionary Emotion and Socialist Protests Among Jewish Student Youth.

‘In the following two decades – in the ’80s and ’90s – the “explosion of revolutionary emotion among Jewish student youth” crystallized into a movement of Jewish socialism, the first of its kind in Jewish history.’

Patkin traces the origins of “Jewish Socialism” to the “two explosive elements – mass misery and intellectual doctrine” which had existed in Jewish life for many previous generations.

These explosive elements had often produced mass revolts against the rich and the powerful in communal affairs, one example being the emergence of the Chassidic movement, Jewish socialism reflected the extension of Chassidism as a doctrine “for the poor” into a “revolutionary situation of social protest and resentment.”‘

– Philip Mendes, THE NEW LEFT, THE JEWS AND THE VIETNAM WAR, 1965-1972, Lazare Press, North Caulfield, Victoria, Australia, p 10, from material gathered in Parkin, A.L. The Origins of the Russian-Jewish Labour Movement. F.W.Cheshire Pty Ltd. Melbourne. 1947. p80.

THE RULING CLASS OF USSR BEFORE WORLD WAR II
(Years: 1936-1939)

http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andrey.Iv.Diky/Jews.in.Russia.and.in.the.USSR/index#_Toc185714883

“The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that, just as in the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism, so also in the triumph of fascism will triumph Judaism.”

(A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 143-144).

“The Jews welcome this revolution in the Christian world, and the Jews should show an example. It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism: all this was in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews.”

(A Program for the Jews and Humanity, by Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 148

The American Hebrew September 10, 1920:

“The Bolshevist revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction, and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world.”

“Some call it Marxism — I call it Judaism.”
(The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

http://iamthewitness.com/doc/Jews.and.Communism.htm

See, the first communist organization of which I am aware was formed by the early followers of Jesus, who were Jewish Christians. Read about it in the Acts of the Apostles. (Spoiler alert: God comes out not just as a Commie, but a (red)dyed-in-the-wool Stalinist, by personally executing two would-be Judeo-Christian commies, or kulaks, who attempt to hide some of their personal property from the Judeo-Christian Politburo.)

But hey, nothing distracts from the searing pain of having the spiked cocks of Satan and his ruling class inner circle constantly violating you than tracing out a labyrinthine, fantasy conspiracy involving Jews and Jesuits.

In spite of contrary history written about the Jesuit run Seminary, the Jesuits remained in Russian territory after the order was banned by Alexander I in 1820, maintaining control of several institutions, including the Seminary of Tiflis. Stalin himself openly admitted the Jesuit control of the institution in his famous interview with Jewish Journalist Emil Ludwig (Cohen):

Ludwig: What impelled you to become an oppositionist? Was it, perhaps, bad treatment by your parents?

Stalin: No. My parents were uneducated, but they did not treat me badly by any means. But it was a different matter at the Orthodox theological seminary which I was then attending. In protest against the outrageous regime and the Jesuitical methods prevalent at the seminary, I was ready to become, and actually did become, a revolutionary, a believer in Marxism as a really revolutionary teaching.

Ludwig: But do you not admit that the Jesuits have good points?

Stalin: Yes, they are systematic and persevering in working to achieve sordid ends. Hut their principal method is spying, prying, worming their way into people’s souls and outraging their feelings….

While accounts of his time at Tiflis have been changed many times, it is universally accepted that Stalin was the star pupils of the Seminary. In the final week of his studies, having completed seven (7) years as the star pupil of the Jesuits, Stalin is variously claimed to have quit or been expelled. Neither account, adequately explains how a seminary student of seven years, suddenly appeared influential and active in coordinating the Georgian Social-Democratic movement less than 12 months later – an achievement that could not possibly have happened without substantial support. The more credible and controversial conclusion is that Stalin did graduate from the Jesuit Seminary as a proper Jesuit priest, with his first assignment being to infiltrate and manage the Georgian underground against the Russian Tsarist Government.
Again, the fact that Stalin was awarded an academic position at the Tiflis Observatory gives credence to his Jesuit credentials and completed study. His double life as a secret leader of the May day uprising of 1901 less than 2 years from graduating from the Jesuit seminary attests to his skill as a key Jesuit agent.

Allen:
At the British Museum you will find two checks for several thousand pounds made out to Carl Marx, and signed by Nathan Rothschild, bankers to the Vatican since the 1700s!

What I do know is that David Icke is an ultra crank. Are the Jesuits also supposed to be space reptiles? Do let us all know.

On your British comments, I like how even today the Jardine Airlines logo is clearly an opium poppy plant. The British drug pusher/”Free Market” past is not even hidden in Hong Kong.

47. Rossiya

Not going after your entire passage, but do want to point out that Stalin (or Koba, or Josef Djugashvili) was neither trained by Jesuits or Catholics. He was, as you say, Russian Orthodox (the Georgian Orthodox Church was still supressed in the late 1800s). There was no interfaith cooperation involving the Jesuits, a purely Catholic order (even at the height of their own order’s suppression).

Stalin did pick up his revolutionary ideals while in religious training (to which he was apparently quite devoted for awhile), but lost much of his interest in religion after getting kicked out for revolutionary activities. He was tongue-in-cheek called “the priest” by his fellow revolutionaries for awhile, but preferred the nickname Koba, which was apparently the hero of some revolutionary adventure story.

I thought Montefiore did a pretty good with Stalin’s biography in “Young Stalin”. But he doesn’t mention anything of a Jesuit conspiracy, just the Social-Democrat conspiracy (later Menshevik and Bolshevik conspiracies) that much more clearly did exist.