Comments on: Terminator Salvation: The Future Will Be Loud http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/ All the news not fit to print: Gary Brecher the War Nerd, Mark Ames, Yasha Levine, Eileen Jones and the rest of Team eXiled Sat, 21 Nov 2009 10:57:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Dante http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-7350 Dante Wed, 10 Jun 2009 03:10:42 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-7350 What the hell are helicopters doing in this movie? What kind of hemorrhaging brain thinks we'd buy <b>helicopters</b> in a dirt-and-grit future? Like Xymph points out, it doesn't fly, it just adds to the pile of evidence showing that Hollywood is finished, running in a hamster wheel without getting anywhere. Lucky for the Hollywood directors that they are writing for audiences dumbed down by decades of dumb schooling and dumb movies. I didn't think anything could be worse than watching monkey-face <b>Nick Stahl</b> as a clownish John Connor in Terminator 3, but reading this review it seems McG has done his best to prove me wrong. Such a pity, too. What I really <b>loved</b> in the first Terminator movie, was every glimpse of the savage future. That scene with the grinning-skull robot walking over a landscape of twisted metal and human skulls. The machines rolling onward slowly, with humans hiding and trying to get a punch in every now and then. Ever since I was a kid I have waited for a Terminator movie that would do that futuristic vision justice. Guess I can stop hoping. What the hell are helicopters doing in this movie? What kind of hemorrhaging brain thinks we’d buy helicopters in a dirt-and-grit future? Like Xymph points out, it doesn’t fly, it just adds to the pile of evidence showing that Hollywood is finished, running in a hamster wheel without getting anywhere. Lucky for the Hollywood directors that they are writing for audiences dumbed down by decades of dumb schooling and dumb movies.

I didn’t think anything could be worse than watching monkey-face Nick Stahl as a clownish John Connor in Terminator 3, but reading this review it seems McG has done his best to prove me wrong.

Such a pity, too. What I really loved in the first Terminator movie, was every glimpse of the savage future. That scene with the grinning-skull robot walking over a landscape of twisted metal and human skulls. The machines rolling onward slowly, with humans hiding and trying to get a punch in every now and then.

Ever since I was a kid I have waited for a Terminator movie that would do that futuristic vision justice. Guess I can stop hoping.

]]> By: Mark http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-7195 Mark Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:04:29 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-7195 I was never interested in seeing this movie, but to say that Christian Bale is a shitty actor really crosses the line of acceptable discourse. Both Rescue Dawn and especially Harsh Times were exceptional movies, largely because of Bale's outstanding performances. Maybe Eileen Jones hasn't seen these movies. Maybe she should. Also, Bale's rant against the DP on the Terminator set is one for the ages... I was never interested in seeing this movie, but to say that Christian Bale is a shitty actor really crosses the line of acceptable discourse. Both Rescue Dawn and especially Harsh Times were exceptional movies, largely because of Bale’s outstanding performances. Maybe Eileen Jones hasn’t seen these movies. Maybe she should.

Also, Bale’s rant against the DP on the Terminator set is one for the ages…

]]> By: xymph disciple http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-7159 xymph disciple Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:23:03 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-7159 This movie has two opening credit sequences. One immediately following the other, with nearly identical information. I honestly think that was a simple error that some show business professional was supposed to catch and stop. This movie was bewilderingly depressing because it was made at a level inferior to third world cinema. There are objections that it raises that have absolutely nothing to do with disapproval of violence or noise level. The doggedly pointless flashback sequence could have been totally left out and then you could've tried too make the secret robot-ness a secret; instead it is telegraphed loudly from the beginning, to no effect whatsoever. the military details bother the hell out of me. Americans, Israelis and Brits are addicted to the dumbest and weakest kind of warfare possible, enjoying a huge tech and money advantage over third worlders who can't compete, to the total and possibly religious exclusion of any kind of mental flexibility or backup plan. McG shows us a totally different human community from Cameron's tunnel rats, with loads and loads of heavy machinery and computers (do they know what movie they're in?), many of which are laughably maintenance-dependent. Helicopters especially need something like five hours of work to every one hour they fly. Why wouldn't Skynet have torched or converted this stuff long, long ago? Stupid AmerIsraelis are not capable of imagining an world in which they do not have a Christmas List of Blackhawk helicopters to merrily throw away. Cameron implied he could and showed glimpses of the ultimate bourgeois horror: Americans reduced to fighting like third worlders against first world technology. McG reminds us that Americans can't be bothered to do without the sort of overwhelmingly dishonest advantage that fixes Star Wars missile testing. There are mistakes in here that are unforgivable even from the 12-year-old perspective: I don't think I'm being a prude at feeling positive anger that the near-sex scene so closely follows the gang-rape-rescue, but that is by no means the stupidest thing in this cavalcade of stupid, stupid stupidity. Crank 2 is more intellectually rigorous, internally consistent and deeply satisfying: in Crank 2 you get to see Bai Ling hit by a car and lit on fire. I'd happily pay a non-matinee ticket to see a variation of that with the grown man calling himself "McG." I meant to distinguish mistakes from bad decisions: a mistake is something totally unjustifiable regardless of position and a bad decision is something ideologically defensible. So you can disagree with bad decisions but still accept them, but nobody should accept what I am calling mistakes. Of course that's pointless because when you try to do that the whole damn project looks more mistaken than what Joel Silver and his evil twins did to the Matrix. This movie has two opening credit sequences.
One immediately following the other, with nearly identical information.
I honestly think that was a simple error that some show business professional was supposed to catch and stop. This movie was bewilderingly depressing because it was made at a level inferior to third world cinema. There are objections that it raises that have absolutely nothing to do with disapproval of violence or noise level.
The doggedly pointless flashback sequence could have been totally left out and then you could’ve tried too make the secret robot-ness a secret; instead it is telegraphed loudly from the beginning, to no effect whatsoever.
the military details bother the hell out of me. Americans, Israelis and Brits are addicted to the dumbest and weakest kind of warfare possible, enjoying a huge tech and money advantage over third worlders who can’t compete, to the total and possibly religious exclusion of any kind of mental flexibility or backup plan. McG shows us a totally different human community from Cameron’s tunnel rats, with loads and loads of heavy machinery and computers (do they know what movie they’re in?), many of which are laughably maintenance-dependent. Helicopters especially need something like five hours of work to every one hour they fly. Why wouldn’t Skynet have torched or converted this stuff long, long ago? Stupid AmerIsraelis are not capable of imagining an world in which they do not have a Christmas List of Blackhawk helicopters to merrily throw away. Cameron implied he could and showed glimpses of the ultimate bourgeois horror: Americans reduced to fighting like third worlders against first world technology. McG reminds us that Americans can’t be bothered to do without the sort of overwhelmingly dishonest advantage that fixes Star Wars missile testing.
There are mistakes in here that are unforgivable even from the 12-year-old perspective: I don’t think I’m being a prude at feeling positive anger that the near-sex scene so closely follows the gang-rape-rescue, but that is by no means the stupidest thing in this cavalcade of stupid, stupid stupidity.
Crank 2 is more intellectually rigorous, internally consistent and deeply satisfying: in Crank 2 you get to see Bai Ling hit by a car and lit on fire. I’d happily pay a non-matinee ticket to see a variation of that with the grown man calling himself “McG.”
I meant to distinguish mistakes from bad decisions: a mistake is something totally unjustifiable regardless of position and a bad decision is something ideologically defensible. So you can disagree with bad decisions but still accept them, but nobody should accept what I am calling mistakes. Of course that’s pointless because when you try to do that the whole damn project looks more mistaken than what Joel Silver and his evil twins did to the Matrix.

]]> By: JimBob http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-7139 JimBob Sun, 31 May 2009 01:03:57 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-7139 Read the AP piece, don't see any rip-off. Care to elaborate on your claim? Read the AP piece, don’t see any rip-off. Care to elaborate on your claim?

]]> By: Evilcor http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-7122 Evilcor Sat, 30 May 2009 02:29:25 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-7122 This article was just plagiarized by the AP: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090518/ap_on_en_mo/us_film_review_terminator_salvation I advise a vengeance-killing spree. This article was just plagiarized by the AP:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090518/ap_on_en_mo/us_film_review_terminator_salvation

I advise a vengeance-killing spree.

]]> By: aleke http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-6986 aleke Mon, 25 May 2009 20:29:41 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-6986 You know, it's too bad it ain't about machines, because the rise of robots is some serious shit. You know, it’s too bad it ain’t about machines, because the rise of robots is some serious shit.

]]> By: texas http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-6984 texas Mon, 25 May 2009 19:40:15 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-6984 >> Terminator Salvation: The Future Will Be Loud does the ticket price include ear-plugs? >> Terminator Salvation: The Future Will Be Loud

does the ticket price include ear-plugs?

]]> By: charlie http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-6981 charlie Mon, 25 May 2009 17:25:22 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-6981 As a professional computer scientist, with experience working for the DoD, all I could do the whole time was pick apart the various technical inaccuracies in the film. For example, they're fucking machines--why not just pump the atmosphere full of anthrax, botulism, or mustard gas. Or, for that matter, neutron bomb the fuck out of the planet (just be sure to shield the critical systems from the EM radiation). These movies arn't about technology -- otherwise they would have tried harder to make it fit -- it's about humanity triumphing over the inhuman forces of evil, which means it's pretty much the same as Lord of the Rings, or every zombie movie ever made. Except they botch that part, too. As a professional computer scientist, with experience working for the DoD, all I could do the whole time was pick apart the various technical inaccuracies in the film.

For example, they’re fucking machines–why not just pump the atmosphere full of anthrax, botulism, or mustard gas. Or, for that matter, neutron bomb the fuck out of the planet (just be sure to shield the critical systems from the EM radiation).

These movies arn’t about technology — otherwise they would have tried harder to make it fit — it’s about humanity triumphing over the inhuman forces of evil, which means it’s pretty much the same as Lord of the Rings, or every zombie movie ever made. Except they botch that part, too.

]]> By: Eric F http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-6980 Eric F Mon, 25 May 2009 16:53:29 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-6980 I only paid 12 bucks to watch a movie that cost $200 million to make. As a consumer I would say it was a good deal. However, with that said, I still want every damn penny back from all those awful Seth Rogen movies! I only paid 12 bucks to watch a movie that cost $200 million to make. As a consumer I would say it was a good deal. However, with that said, I still want every damn penny back from all those awful Seth Rogen movies!

]]> By: alexa http://exiledonline.com/terminator-salvation-the-future-will-be-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-6978 alexa Mon, 25 May 2009 16:29:51 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=9157#comment-6978 Bale is the new Ben Afleck minus the huge-assed Puff Daddy's leftover byatch. Bale is the new Ben Afleck minus the huge-assed Puff Daddy’s leftover byatch.

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