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	<title>Comments on: The Embiggening Power of Star Trek ‘09</title>
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		<title>By: Frank McG</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank McG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime you hear someone proudly crack some joke about &quot;PC nuts&quot;, chances are they&#039;re an idiot and can be ignored. Unless it&#039;s the early 90s in which case they&#039;re trendy idiots.

All across the board you&#039;re seeing a depressing relapse in movies to awful 80s trends: hard right reactionary themes (300, Star Trek) and shitty teen slashers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime you hear someone proudly crack some joke about &#8220;PC nuts&#8221;, chances are they&#8217;re an idiot and can be ignored. Unless it&#8217;s the early 90s in which case they&#8217;re trendy idiots.</p>
<p>All across the board you&#8217;re seeing a depressing relapse in movies to awful 80s trends: hard right reactionary themes (300, Star Trek) and shitty teen slashers.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain my captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Captain my captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right can lay claim to Tribbles.  They are about as useless, yet cute, and are fun until they multiply and gum up the works.</description>
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		<title>By: Alquanole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alquanole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find discussing the ethics and morals of an ENTRATAINMENT movie to be profoundly depressing.

I&#039;m a Star Trek fan. I went to the movie. I suspended disbelief and enjojed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find discussing the ethics and morals of an ENTRATAINMENT movie to be profoundly depressing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Star Trek fan. I went to the movie. I suspended disbelief and enjojed it.</p>
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		<title>By: aleke</title>
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		<dc:creator>aleke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 20:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Star Trek was always a lefty kinda Americanism. That&#039;s what I noticed in the new movie, is the very conservative idea of the future JJ Abrams is selling. Particularly, the sense of the military service as salvation for slight transgressions (&quot;repeat offender&quot;), the [though robotic] presence of police is still extremely similar to our present situation, the very American ride-on-the-great expanse.

That must be why, too, he&#039;s trying to &#039;sell&#039; it. That&#039;s why I suspect him and his writer buddies are professionals and not an artists. Maybe then the right will be able to take him for their own, if JJ Abrams continuous to sell and change Star Trek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek was always a lefty kinda Americanism. That&#8217;s what I noticed in the new movie, is the very conservative idea of the future JJ Abrams is selling. Particularly, the sense of the military service as salvation for slight transgressions (&#8220;repeat offender&#8221;), the [though robotic] presence of police is still extremely similar to our present situation, the very American ride-on-the-great expanse.</p>
<p>That must be why, too, he&#8217;s trying to &#8216;sell&#8217; it. That&#8217;s why I suspect him and his writer buddies are professionals and not an artists. Maybe then the right will be able to take him for their own, if JJ Abrams continuous to sell and change Star Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: NotGodot</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotGodot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are like four or five times in the original series when Kirk says &quot;Well I&#039;m in the military so I should have NOTHING TO DO with setting policy because that is how we perpetuate warfare and letting a soldier run thes how would turn us into an empire&quot;

So I don&#039;t really think the rightist attempt to appropriate the mythos has much weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are like four or five times in the original series when Kirk says &#8220;Well I&#8217;m in the military so I should have NOTHING TO DO with setting policy because that is how we perpetuate warfare and letting a soldier run thes how would turn us into an empire&#8221;</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t really think the rightist attempt to appropriate the mythos has much weight.</p>
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		<title>By: twentyeight</title>
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		<dc:creator>twentyeight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it doesn&#039;t involve Shatner taking hits from flechette rounds I&#039;m not watching it.</description>
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		<title>By: Homer Erotic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homer Erotic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Kirk is a lot more geuninely fuckable.  ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: Copeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 02:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One person&#039;s homage is another person&#039;s plundering of the vintage Trek. But I found the film satisfying enough for the acting and the relationship of the characters. I am afraid that like Spock, we will all bump into our future selves in this dystopia where we live. I hope to still enjoy a film like this every once in a while, because I remember &quot;the darkening LBJ years&quot; and they left a mark on me; and the morality plays in the old Star Trek series are the stuff that dreams are made of, naturally, in this PTSD world. 

In these days, under the reign of beasts, it takes strength to remember that we still have a chance at coming out of the nightmare. The Trek stories do say somthing about friendship maturing over time, about improvisation and never giving up, the rejection of despair, about some compassion as an improvement of our species. And of course there is lots and lots of over-the-top hormonal action and hand-to-hand combat; but there was from the past to the present some reminder in these voyages about the  limitations of our more brutal instincts. And I say good for Star Trek; it has become on balance a good contribution to our shared memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One person&#8217;s homage is another person&#8217;s plundering of the vintage Trek. But I found the film satisfying enough for the acting and the relationship of the characters. I am afraid that like Spock, we will all bump into our future selves in this dystopia where we live. I hope to still enjoy a film like this every once in a while, because I remember &#8220;the darkening LBJ years&#8221; and they left a mark on me; and the morality plays in the old Star Trek series are the stuff that dreams are made of, naturally, in this PTSD world. </p>
<p>In these days, under the reign of beasts, it takes strength to remember that we still have a chance at coming out of the nightmare. The Trek stories do say somthing about friendship maturing over time, about improvisation and never giving up, the rejection of despair, about some compassion as an improvement of our species. And of course there is lots and lots of over-the-top hormonal action and hand-to-hand combat; but there was from the past to the present some reminder in these voyages about the  limitations of our more brutal instincts. And I say good for Star Trek; it has become on balance a good contribution to our shared memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 06:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sulu swordfight is a h/t to old school Sulu when he went barechested and crazy with an epee.  George Takei took fencing lessons for the episode.

I know this not because I am a trekkie, but because I fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sulu swordfight is a h/t to old school Sulu when he went barechested and crazy with an epee.  George Takei took fencing lessons for the episode.</p>
<p>I know this not because I am a trekkie, but because I fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed,  kabulhusbandwifeblog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed,  kabulhusbandwifeblog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 20:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank G-d i&#039;m not American</description>
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		<title>By: Plamen Petkov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plamen Petkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone wasting time/money with this crap is a complete moron. Then again, never overestimate the &quot;intelligence&quot; of the American Stupids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone wasting time/money with this crap is a complete moron. Then again, never overestimate the &#8220;intelligence&#8221; of the American Stupids.</p>
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		<title>By: Caltrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caltrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is obviously Tuvok.</description>
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		<title>By: geo8rge</title>
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		<dc:creator>geo8rge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw the film, bad Star Trek, Bad SciFi, good action.

As to Star Trek there was no moral message, and the crew was multi culti in a 1950s sort of way.  No Chinese, Indians, Mexicans, Blacks are refreshingly American (No Caribbeans, Africans).

As to SciFi, no pretense at scientific backing is there, and the sets are cheap and crummy.  For example: When they drop out of the sky and land on the silly drill thing, no jet packs, they use parachutes I could buy today off the net.  The Swiss guy, Fusion Man, has better equipement.  Drilling to the center of the earth is a plot twist I remember from Pink Panther movies, and Austin Powers.   

Action: Pirates of Outer space, the action was OK, but could have been a pirate or indiana jones movie.  BFD

Not worth the money, or time.  It was released in May because it could not compete with the Transformer movie coming out in the summer IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw the film, bad Star Trek, Bad SciFi, good action.</p>
<p>As to Star Trek there was no moral message, and the crew was multi culti in a 1950s sort of way.  No Chinese, Indians, Mexicans, Blacks are refreshingly American (No Caribbeans, Africans).</p>
<p>As to SciFi, no pretense at scientific backing is there, and the sets are cheap and crummy.  For example: When they drop out of the sky and land on the silly drill thing, no jet packs, they use parachutes I could buy today off the net.  The Swiss guy, Fusion Man, has better equipement.  Drilling to the center of the earth is a plot twist I remember from Pink Panther movies, and Austin Powers.   </p>
<p>Action: Pirates of Outer space, the action was OK, but could have been a pirate or indiana jones movie.  BFD</p>
<p>Not worth the money, or time.  It was released in May because it could not compete with the Transformer movie coming out in the summer IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 07:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the left and right debate &#039;getting out of hand&#039;, I&#039;d imagine that was pretty much the hope and intention of the film-makers.  
These days most big action films have some meat in it to throw the red and blue states so they can claim it as &#039;their own film&#039;.  Obvious examples would include Iron Man, War of the Worlds, The Incredibles and so on.  It also gives a hook for other media organisations to  do features and articles about the films increasing their profile even further.  It&#039;s the best way for a film producer to maximise ROI in a divided nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the left and right debate &#8216;getting out of hand&#8217;, I&#8217;d imagine that was pretty much the hope and intention of the film-makers.<br />
These days most big action films have some meat in it to throw the red and blue states so they can claim it as &#8216;their own film&#8217;.  Obvious examples would include Iron Man, War of the Worlds, The Incredibles and so on.  It also gives a hook for other media organisations to  do features and articles about the films increasing their profile even further.  It&#8217;s the best way for a film producer to maximise ROI in a divided nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 05:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I have to get a super geek point off my chest.

The bad guy was pissed because a star explodes and destroys his home-world. Gets knocked back in time, eventually captures Spock and Spock&#039;s ship and the stuff he needs to prevent a star from exploding. He&#039;s got something like a hundred years, the fastest ship ever and the stuff to prevent his tragedy. He goes out for revenge. Doesn&#039;t fix the star, doesn&#039;t save his race. Just revenge preemptively. Stupid.

That off my chest I was sad Kirk was made into a rebel, a misfit, a repeat offender. How low is that at estimating your audience? Why not call him snake and have be from L.A? Are these repeat offenders ever promoted to officer or captain if their name isn&#039;t McCain or Bush? It just doesn&#039;t happen and if it does they don&#039;t work out well. The original Kirk was plugged-in, was socially acceptable and was ruling class. He made it look good and modeled a system that appeared to work. Something like a Roman system with checks and balances, even including death for severe transgressions. Laurels for triumphs - dishonor for failure, not being congratulated in a soft patriarchal way at your school. The T was for Tiberius. The thing it stood for is just gone.

So are the rules of engagement. Just gone. Now enemies strike out of the blue and maximal force and cunning is needed to repel them. Give one superficial ode to peace and blast away. Why? Because coked out Lawyers and their sycophantic underlings control Hollywood and that&#039;s the way they behave? I don&#039;t know.

Oh BTW if you make totally inappropriate comments to your commanding officer about his mother in front of his crew on the bridge, he will step down, they will come together behind you and you can all be friends in 10 minutes. No court marshal.

Also if you love a show then turn three of it&#039;s minor characters into comic relief.

In summery. The effects were busy but good. The blue LED look is already old on consumer electronics. Spock was the true lead character. Him and Ohura were sexy deep. Everything else was wrong, wrong, wrong, and shows a societal degeneracy from the earlier age of Star Trek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I have to get a super geek point off my chest.</p>
<p>The bad guy was pissed because a star explodes and destroys his home-world. Gets knocked back in time, eventually captures Spock and Spock&#8217;s ship and the stuff he needs to prevent a star from exploding. He&#8217;s got something like a hundred years, the fastest ship ever and the stuff to prevent his tragedy. He goes out for revenge. Doesn&#8217;t fix the star, doesn&#8217;t save his race. Just revenge preemptively. Stupid.</p>
<p>That off my chest I was sad Kirk was made into a rebel, a misfit, a repeat offender. How low is that at estimating your audience? Why not call him snake and have be from L.A? Are these repeat offenders ever promoted to officer or captain if their name isn&#8217;t McCain or Bush? It just doesn&#8217;t happen and if it does they don&#8217;t work out well. The original Kirk was plugged-in, was socially acceptable and was ruling class. He made it look good and modeled a system that appeared to work. Something like a Roman system with checks and balances, even including death for severe transgressions. Laurels for triumphs &#8211; dishonor for failure, not being congratulated in a soft patriarchal way at your school. The T was for Tiberius. The thing it stood for is just gone.</p>
<p>So are the rules of engagement. Just gone. Now enemies strike out of the blue and maximal force and cunning is needed to repel them. Give one superficial ode to peace and blast away. Why? Because coked out Lawyers and their sycophantic underlings control Hollywood and that&#8217;s the way they behave? I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Oh BTW if you make totally inappropriate comments to your commanding officer about his mother in front of his crew on the bridge, he will step down, they will come together behind you and you can all be friends in 10 minutes. No court marshal.</p>
<p>Also if you love a show then turn three of it&#8217;s minor characters into comic relief.</p>
<p>In summery. The effects were busy but good. The blue LED look is already old on consumer electronics. Spock was the true lead character. Him and Ohura were sexy deep. Everything else was wrong, wrong, wrong, and shows a societal degeneracy from the earlier age of Star Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: firewalkwithme</title>
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		<dc:creator>firewalkwithme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, wengler.</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It also had only two obvious product placements, which is pretty good these days. Just think, only 200 years until we get to try Budweiser Classic!</description>
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		<title>By: wengler</title>
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		<dc:creator>wengler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rightwing wants Kirk, really? Is it for his stupendous amount of femininity behind his hypersexual bed-every-green-alien facade? Pine tried to do an admirable Kirk, but wisely pulled back from trying to do a parody of Shatner&#039;s drama queen captain. 

In truth even Kirk is too cool for the right, his ideology informed by adventure rather than doctrine. They would be more comfortable with a Captain Pike, not the one from this movie but the one from the original unaired pilot. Cold, uncaring, distant and clearly woman-hating, without a Vulcan&#039;s mind to attribute the first three to logic. And Pike&#039;s fate would most clearly illustrate the conservatives in this world that has passed them by- alone in a box with wheels beeping only once or twice in paralyzed decrepitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rightwing wants Kirk, really? Is it for his stupendous amount of femininity behind his hypersexual bed-every-green-alien facade? Pine tried to do an admirable Kirk, but wisely pulled back from trying to do a parody of Shatner&#8217;s drama queen captain. </p>
<p>In truth even Kirk is too cool for the right, his ideology informed by adventure rather than doctrine. They would be more comfortable with a Captain Pike, not the one from this movie but the one from the original unaired pilot. Cold, uncaring, distant and clearly woman-hating, without a Vulcan&#8217;s mind to attribute the first three to logic. And Pike&#8217;s fate would most clearly illustrate the conservatives in this world that has passed them by- alone in a box with wheels beeping only once or twice in paralyzed decrepitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Bass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with your positive appraisal of the casting. I was saying the same thing before I read the review.</description>
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		<title>By: Kotek Besar</title>
		<link>http://exiledonline.com/the-embiggening-power-of-star-trek-%e2%80%9809/comment-page-1/#comment-6602</link>
		<dc:creator>Kotek Besar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Star Trek: The 90210 Generation.

Urgh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Star Trek: The 90210 Generation.</p>
<p>Urgh.</p>
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