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		<title>By: Milkman Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milkman Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 09:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After giving it a bit more thoughts overnight, I would like to add some more to this discussion and to my comment. It may be possible indeed to score a direct hit on an aircraft carrier by Anti-ship Ballistic Missile and thus sink it in just one hit, but there is indeed a catch.

1) Advanced targeting/locking/guiding system will be required. You will need a perfectly well working system and/or perfect satellite reconnaissance in place to achieve a valid lock-on at aircraft carrier group before your warhead will start re-entry. This is a bit complicated to achieve and the ability of target to actually move is not making it easier. Ballistic Missiles are good at shooting to standing targets, not the moving ones.

2) Re-entry speeds over Mach 10 means that your warhead is closing in to its target at speeds excesing 12.000 km/h (sorry for metric system units, I&#039;m from Europe, Czech Republic, not that good in miles and that stuff…). If your guidance system was working as expected so far, you achieved a valid lock-on, your warhead corrected its trajectory slightly because the target is moving and your warhead is now diving to the estimated aircraft carrier position and travelling 3-4 km every second. Because re-entry usually starts at height of 100-150 km over ground, your warhead has some 30 to 40 seconds to the target. Your terminal guidance software has to be state-of-the-art as with every passing second, the imaginary cone in front of the warhead, where it can score hit is getting tighter and tighter (due to inertia mechanics).

3) Even if you correct trajectory well before re-entry, you have to be able to do some terminal phase corrections, because you cannot expect target to be a sheep being taken to the slaughter. This is going to be very tricky and it assumes you did some extensive research on steering vehicles at very high hyper-sonic speeds. We all know, from latest US financed research on high hyper-sonic unmanned vehicles, how complicated is to achieve this. To put it to normal speech, things that are fragile have tendencies to break up in the midair if you are trying to change its course. At speeds over Mach 10, warhead is definitely a fragile stuff. Also you would need some system to steer it, either by means of auxiliary rocket maneuvering system or some sort of flipped steering pads.

Now, considering all of this, it is unwise to think that the rocket would hit aircraft carrier out of surprise. There would be a warning at launch, you have NORAD with its extensive launch warning satellite system exactly for that purpose. NORAD will calculate in real-time possible impact areas based on trajectory, speed etc and they will update this impact area every second until they will find out where it aims. At the moment they will find out you are aiming at blank see, do not expect that somebody will not say, hey, wait a moment guys, don&#039;t we have a carrier over there in target zone? That will give the aircraft carrier group at least 2-3 minutes to maneuver, group will spread and every ship can move for 2 to 3 kilometers before impact.

As I said, killing a ship this way is possible, though unlikely. Also, you have some fancy projects going on, US Navy was planning to build some 5-6 modern nuclear driven anti-missiles cruisers, larger then Ticonderoga class and equipped with laser guns and large rail guns as soon as these are available. I do not know if this idea was scrapped due to lack of funds, but exactly this system would provide excellent protection against BM strike. So the situation is not that black and white as it seems to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After giving it a bit more thoughts overnight, I would like to add some more to this discussion and to my comment. It may be possible indeed to score a direct hit on an aircraft carrier by Anti-ship Ballistic Missile and thus sink it in just one hit, but there is indeed a catch.</p>
<p>1) Advanced targeting/locking/guiding system will be required. You will need a perfectly well working system and/or perfect satellite reconnaissance in place to achieve a valid lock-on at aircraft carrier group before your warhead will start re-entry. This is a bit complicated to achieve and the ability of target to actually move is not making it easier. Ballistic Missiles are good at shooting to standing targets, not the moving ones.</p>
<p>2) Re-entry speeds over Mach 10 means that your warhead is closing in to its target at speeds excesing 12.000 km/h (sorry for metric system units, I&#8217;m from Europe, Czech Republic, not that good in miles and that stuff…). If your guidance system was working as expected so far, you achieved a valid lock-on, your warhead corrected its trajectory slightly because the target is moving and your warhead is now diving to the estimated aircraft carrier position and travelling 3-4 km every second. Because re-entry usually starts at height of 100-150 km over ground, your warhead has some 30 to 40 seconds to the target. Your terminal guidance software has to be state-of-the-art as with every passing second, the imaginary cone in front of the warhead, where it can score hit is getting tighter and tighter (due to inertia mechanics).</p>
<p>3) Even if you correct trajectory well before re-entry, you have to be able to do some terminal phase corrections, because you cannot expect target to be a sheep being taken to the slaughter. This is going to be very tricky and it assumes you did some extensive research on steering vehicles at very high hyper-sonic speeds. We all know, from latest US financed research on high hyper-sonic unmanned vehicles, how complicated is to achieve this. To put it to normal speech, things that are fragile have tendencies to break up in the midair if you are trying to change its course. At speeds over Mach 10, warhead is definitely a fragile stuff. Also you would need some system to steer it, either by means of auxiliary rocket maneuvering system or some sort of flipped steering pads.</p>
<p>Now, considering all of this, it is unwise to think that the rocket would hit aircraft carrier out of surprise. There would be a warning at launch, you have NORAD with its extensive launch warning satellite system exactly for that purpose. NORAD will calculate in real-time possible impact areas based on trajectory, speed etc and they will update this impact area every second until they will find out where it aims. At the moment they will find out you are aiming at blank see, do not expect that somebody will not say, hey, wait a moment guys, don&#8217;t we have a carrier over there in target zone? That will give the aircraft carrier group at least 2-3 minutes to maneuver, group will spread and every ship can move for 2 to 3 kilometers before impact.</p>
<p>As I said, killing a ship this way is possible, though unlikely. Also, you have some fancy projects going on, US Navy was planning to build some 5-6 modern nuclear driven anti-missiles cruisers, larger then Ticonderoga class and equipped with laser guns and large rail guns as soon as these are available. I do not know if this idea was scrapped due to lack of funds, but exactly this system would provide excellent protection against BM strike. So the situation is not that black and white as it seems to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Milkman Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milkman Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not agree with your opinion that downsizing ships is a way to go. Also you comparison with Israel and it&#039;s WW2 era Z Class destroyer is misleading. In that scenario, ship built in 1944 was hit and sunk by that time relatively new and innovative weapon. Now, speaking about modern scenario, you cannot do pop-up attack with anything bigger then Harpoon easily. And Eilat was certainly not destroyed that way. USSR designed and build anti-ship missiles used to be very fast, especially in the final dashing sequence. And at the moment you try to do some aggressive pop-up maneuver with something dashing at Mach 2+, it either breaks up in mid-air or misses the target because of the inertia mechanics.

Now, back to your downsizing ideas. If USA wants to keep it&#039;s superpower status, then it needs to be able to actually project power. And power was always projected by Navies, it scaled up during centuries, from simple frigates and heavy frigates to first class ships-of-the-line and battleships and to aircraft carriers. Basically battleships and aircraft carriers are for diplomacy, what was gold for legal tender when it was cover by it. You can have some very nice ideas that you want some other not very friendly countries to adopt, but they will keep laughing at you. Until your battleships or aircraft carriers will arrive to shooting distance of their ports. Then you will get things done. Also it is a well known fact that whomever controls the seas, controls the trade. Considering how much dependent is USA at this moment on foreign trade, you have to be able to protect your trade lines, at the very latest. And because your trade lines are pretty much ocean wide, you need something bigger to keep them safe, then some lousy gunboat or fast attack boat. Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are not sunny Mediterranean see, much harsh conditions to operate in.

Then, ballistic missiles are good at hitting hard programmed predefined targets, like war factories, cities (though city busting is now widely considered a counterstrike option in case of surprise first decapitating strike and as such lies on the back of missile submarines), nuclear missile silos and other like that hardened targets. When it goes up, it will hit its target in some 20-30 minutes, almost no matter what, if said target is on the other side of the world. But the speed comes with its prize. Steering such a vehicle is very hard and to effectively steer the warhead in speeds well over Mach 10, you have to start steering it before it re-entry the atmosphere. Even MIRV and MARV warheads will not buzz over your head like some overgrown bees. They will split in the very outer layers of atmosphere, maybe do some trajectory changes from one to another target before making final dive in and then go down to its target, literally &quot;in flames&quot;.

So in the hypothetical scenario you described, USA ships having no ballistic protection against PRC ballistic missiles, we would have the situation that PRC army or navy is shooting at targets not very far away. The flight time of these warheads would be some 5 to max 10 minutes. You cannot shoot the bm&#039;s on depressed trajectory in this case, because that would lower the accuracy. You need to launch them ballistic at very high speeds. You have to positively acquire target, very quickly calculate and extrapolate where the target would probably go and where it will be in another 5 to 10 minutes, program it to the missile warhead and launch it. Ship sailing at speed of roughly 30-32 knots, which is the speed of modern carriers, will make it roughly 10 kilometers in any possible direction. So shooting a ballistic missile is like a trying to find out a needle in a pile of hey. Sure, you can find it, but most likely not. Unless you go nuclear. But if you go nuclear, you do not even have to use ballistic missiles for that and whatever delivery vehicle you will choose, the receiving side will go nuclear as well.

I would not be that skeptical about abilities of your Navy. Also I would not prize PRC weapons that much as you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree with your opinion that downsizing ships is a way to go. Also you comparison with Israel and it&#8217;s WW2 era Z Class destroyer is misleading. In that scenario, ship built in 1944 was hit and sunk by that time relatively new and innovative weapon. Now, speaking about modern scenario, you cannot do pop-up attack with anything bigger then Harpoon easily. And Eilat was certainly not destroyed that way. USSR designed and build anti-ship missiles used to be very fast, especially in the final dashing sequence. And at the moment you try to do some aggressive pop-up maneuver with something dashing at Mach 2+, it either breaks up in mid-air or misses the target because of the inertia mechanics.</p>
<p>Now, back to your downsizing ideas. If USA wants to keep it&#8217;s superpower status, then it needs to be able to actually project power. And power was always projected by Navies, it scaled up during centuries, from simple frigates and heavy frigates to first class ships-of-the-line and battleships and to aircraft carriers. Basically battleships and aircraft carriers are for diplomacy, what was gold for legal tender when it was cover by it. You can have some very nice ideas that you want some other not very friendly countries to adopt, but they will keep laughing at you. Until your battleships or aircraft carriers will arrive to shooting distance of their ports. Then you will get things done. Also it is a well known fact that whomever controls the seas, controls the trade. Considering how much dependent is USA at this moment on foreign trade, you have to be able to protect your trade lines, at the very latest. And because your trade lines are pretty much ocean wide, you need something bigger to keep them safe, then some lousy gunboat or fast attack boat. Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are not sunny Mediterranean see, much harsh conditions to operate in.</p>
<p>Then, ballistic missiles are good at hitting hard programmed predefined targets, like war factories, cities (though city busting is now widely considered a counterstrike option in case of surprise first decapitating strike and as such lies on the back of missile submarines), nuclear missile silos and other like that hardened targets. When it goes up, it will hit its target in some 20-30 minutes, almost no matter what, if said target is on the other side of the world. But the speed comes with its prize. Steering such a vehicle is very hard and to effectively steer the warhead in speeds well over Mach 10, you have to start steering it before it re-entry the atmosphere. Even MIRV and MARV warheads will not buzz over your head like some overgrown bees. They will split in the very outer layers of atmosphere, maybe do some trajectory changes from one to another target before making final dive in and then go down to its target, literally &#8220;in flames&#8221;.</p>
<p>So in the hypothetical scenario you described, USA ships having no ballistic protection against PRC ballistic missiles, we would have the situation that PRC army or navy is shooting at targets not very far away. The flight time of these warheads would be some 5 to max 10 minutes. You cannot shoot the bm&#8217;s on depressed trajectory in this case, because that would lower the accuracy. You need to launch them ballistic at very high speeds. You have to positively acquire target, very quickly calculate and extrapolate where the target would probably go and where it will be in another 5 to 10 minutes, program it to the missile warhead and launch it. Ship sailing at speed of roughly 30-32 knots, which is the speed of modern carriers, will make it roughly 10 kilometers in any possible direction. So shooting a ballistic missile is like a trying to find out a needle in a pile of hey. Sure, you can find it, but most likely not. Unless you go nuclear. But if you go nuclear, you do not even have to use ballistic missiles for that and whatever delivery vehicle you will choose, the receiving side will go nuclear as well.</p>
<p>I would not be that skeptical about abilities of your Navy. Also I would not prize PRC weapons that much as you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bert and Ernie @ 250:  You missed this piece by Brecher on China&#039;s joining the yacht club:

http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-china-joins-the-yacht-club/

Synopsis:  China&#039;s got one (1) carrier they&#039;re building, which is an old half-finished 1980s-era USSR hulk they bought for cheap through intermediaries.  Hardly a &quot;mad rush&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bert and Ernie @ 250:  You missed this piece by Brecher on China&#8217;s joining the yacht club:</p>
<p><a href="http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-china-joins-the-yacht-club/" rel="nofollow">http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-china-joins-the-yacht-club/</a></p>
<p>Synopsis:  China&#8217;s got one (1) carrier they&#8217;re building, which is an old half-finished 1980s-era USSR hulk they bought for cheap through intermediaries.  Hardly a &#8220;mad rush&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert and Ernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert and Ernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China would become a glowing red country in the event of conflict between the USA and China.
The US has so much nuclear content it would decimate the country and dynasty known as China.
India would also likely fire all they possess at China and Pakistan.
Obviously the world would, celebrate Pakiland being destroyed as that place is as backwards as Afghanistan.

Also this blog waxing on and on about carriers its funny how China is now on a mad rush to build many super carriers so apparently they dont agree with you about them being useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China would become a glowing red country in the event of conflict between the USA and China.<br />
The US has so much nuclear content it would decimate the country and dynasty known as China.<br />
India would also likely fire all they possess at China and Pakistan.<br />
Obviously the world would, celebrate Pakiland being destroyed as that place is as backwards as Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Also this blog waxing on and on about carriers its funny how China is now on a mad rush to build many super carriers so apparently they dont agree with you about them being useless.</p>
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		<title>By: baby marino</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank you for the efforts you have made in writing this post. I am hoping the 

same best work from you in the future as well.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nuiorganics.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baby Merino nz&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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<p>same best work from you in the future as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nuiorganics.com" rel="nofollow">Baby Merino nz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johnny360.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China will never fight against the U.S. why? China is the most populated country the in the world, I bet 60% of the people&#039;s income are coming from manufacturing companies in which their products will be exported back to the U.S. Billions of people will simply starve to death. 500 super missiles might sink an aircraft carrier and kill thousands of enlisted personnel. BUT, even before the 1st supper missile could hit the carrier, thousands have died already due to counter attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China will never fight against the U.S. why? China is the most populated country the in the world, I bet 60% of the people&#8217;s income are coming from manufacturing companies in which their products will be exported back to the U.S. Billions of people will simply starve to death. 500 super missiles might sink an aircraft carrier and kill thousands of enlisted personnel. BUT, even before the 1st supper missile could hit the carrier, thousands have died already due to counter attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Drey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 16:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article brings up interesting issues.
Unfortunately it is written in a style more appropriate to a 12 year old.</description>
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Unfortunately it is written in a style more appropriate to a 12 year old.</p>
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		<description>durning ww2 the luftwaffe used an anti ship missile to sink the regia marina italian battleship roma (or littorio im not sure) in 43 when she was going into neutral port-thats a ww2 anti ship missle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>durning ww2 the luftwaffe used an anti ship missile to sink the regia marina italian battleship roma (or littorio im not sure) in 43 when she was going into neutral port-thats a ww2 anti ship missle</p>
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		<title>By: Z-man</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 00:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly this dick head has never heard of Ageis.</description>
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		<title>By: Stewart_in_London</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to whack a big fellow

At 90% oil imports China isnt becoming the next global hegemon. They&#039;d be coming at you on donkeys and ho fun electric bikes, the donkeys become the rations when the batteries run out. 

But in the great game they intend to mean business. And they&#039;re just so big you cant square up to them. Dont forget that.

Like ourselves a Chinaman loves something tasty at the weekend, but theyll pass on that for a nice bit of gear. Its just not as easy to get hold of as it was in great, grandfathers day.

This is why the Brits are busy securing that &#039;age old&#039; gap in the market. Our &#039;modern&#039;  expedition force are &#039;carrying on up the kyhber&#039;, ramping our demand led supply interventions, straight into the Turkic backside of Chinaland (we got our familiar HK drop off points too). 

Its pretty easy to shift that stuff in China, they lurve it, even keeps them from gambling, perhaps. Think about those cheap shipping containers going back every hour of every day, emptied of shite but not always!. Customs officials like a bit too.

North Americans can ask Olly North about this kind of thing, but us Brits been there long time, we got Tea shirt.

We would be better off using those carriers for &#039;deliveries&#039;. Better chance of pacifying the natives, they&#039;d love us too!

chin chin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to whack a big fellow</p>
<p>At 90% oil imports China isnt becoming the next global hegemon. They&#8217;d be coming at you on donkeys and ho fun electric bikes, the donkeys become the rations when the batteries run out. </p>
<p>But in the great game they intend to mean business. And they&#8217;re just so big you cant square up to them. Dont forget that.</p>
<p>Like ourselves a Chinaman loves something tasty at the weekend, but theyll pass on that for a nice bit of gear. Its just not as easy to get hold of as it was in great, grandfathers day.</p>
<p>This is why the Brits are busy securing that &#8216;age old&#8217; gap in the market. Our &#8216;modern&#8217;  expedition force are &#8216;carrying on up the kyhber&#8217;, ramping our demand led supply interventions, straight into the Turkic backside of Chinaland (we got our familiar HK drop off points too). </p>
<p>Its pretty easy to shift that stuff in China, they lurve it, even keeps them from gambling, perhaps. Think about those cheap shipping containers going back every hour of every day, emptied of shite but not always!. Customs officials like a bit too.</p>
<p>North Americans can ask Olly North about this kind of thing, but us Brits been there long time, we got Tea shirt.</p>
<p>We would be better off using those carriers for &#8216;deliveries&#8217;. Better chance of pacifying the natives, they&#8217;d love us too!</p>
<p>chin chin</p>
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		<dc:creator>Trinidad Gady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amaze! For a nice and researching the search engines all day just for this and that i ultimately thought it was right here!</description>
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		<title>By: Aidan McSharry</title>
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		<description>@whatwar
the carrier group would have turned tail after the first swarm and the CAP orbiting the carrier would then deploy to find out where they came from. then the second wave, missiles shot down. carrier is still chugging away ahead full. right before the third is launched, the CAPs would find the assailants and neutralize them or the carrier group would be out of range. if they were slow moving cruise missles, the phalanxes would just gun them down over and over</description>
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the carrier group would have turned tail after the first swarm and the CAP orbiting the carrier would then deploy to find out where they came from. then the second wave, missiles shot down. carrier is still chugging away ahead full. right before the third is launched, the CAPs would find the assailants and neutralize them or the carrier group would be out of range. if they were slow moving cruise missles, the phalanxes would just gun them down over and over</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan McSharry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aidan McSharry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, thats garbage. You think that the world around the aircraft carrier is evolving and the aircraft carrier itself is standing still watching? the carrier evolves too. The Nimitz Class is nearing its end game, enter the CVNs, the Nimitz&#039;s capable replacement. More advanced tracking systems, better radar, faster, more Phalanxes, and interception missiles to boot. id like to see the Dog Fat 21 get by that, not to mention, in war time, CARRIERS ARE NEVER ALONE! Ill be impressed if the missile gets past the 5 Aegis class cruisers gaurding the carrier and her 700 man crew. The Navy takes these things into account, if they thought the carrier was too vulnerable, they would have done something about it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, thats garbage. You think that the world around the aircraft carrier is evolving and the aircraft carrier itself is standing still watching? the carrier evolves too. The Nimitz Class is nearing its end game, enter the CVNs, the Nimitz&#8217;s capable replacement. More advanced tracking systems, better radar, faster, more Phalanxes, and interception missiles to boot. id like to see the Dog Fat 21 get by that, not to mention, in war time, CARRIERS ARE NEVER ALONE! Ill be impressed if the missile gets past the 5 Aegis class cruisers gaurding the carrier and her 700 man crew. The Navy takes these things into account, if they thought the carrier was too vulnerable, they would have done something about it</p>
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		<title>By: Cassius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe no balistic defense that is disclosed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe no balistic defense that is disclosed</p>
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		<title>By: fuckyouall</title>
		<link>http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-this-is-how-the-carriers-will-die/comment-page-5/#comment-23931</link>
		<dc:creator>fuckyouall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am really worried about the future of us, if the third world war really happened, how should us maintain his position of world leader. mr. obama had said in one of his speech that he, on behalf of the whold us, would never allow us to become the second most powerful country. then, if war pasted, what will happen, i really want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am really worried about the future of us, if the third world war really happened, how should us maintain his position of world leader. mr. obama had said in one of his speech that he, on behalf of the whold us, would never allow us to become the second most powerful country. then, if war pasted, what will happen, i really want to know.</p>
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		<title>By: James Lemoyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Lemoyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think it possible to (1) improve ABM systems on carriers or support ships in the group to counter the DF21 and (2) consider deploying aircraft from smaller vessels - i.e. build a new generation of smaller carriers, thereby reducing target size while maintaining forward power.  Surely the author must realise the vulnerability of the large ship is nothing new - has he heard of the torpedo?  The problem is as old as the hills and hysteria helps no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think it possible to (1) improve ABM systems on carriers or support ships in the group to counter the DF21 and (2) consider deploying aircraft from smaller vessels &#8211; i.e. build a new generation of smaller carriers, thereby reducing target size while maintaining forward power.  Surely the author must realise the vulnerability of the large ship is nothing new &#8211; has he heard of the torpedo?  The problem is as old as the hills and hysteria helps no one.</p>
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		<title>By: whatwar</title>
		<link>http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-this-is-how-the-carriers-will-die/comment-page-5/#comment-23466</link>
		<dc:creator>whatwar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole AshBM business is just a part of an overall &quot;solution&quot; No doubt.

For those who held Aegis as their &quot;Messiah&quot; needs to understand... Them CG&#039;s and DDG&#039;s carries a limited amount of SAM&#039;s. The Carrier group WILL survive one or perhaps 2 Swarm attack. but what about the third? what will they do? throw coke can&#039;s at them?

A CSG (that&#039;s Carrier Strike Group USN speak) consists of 1 or 2 Ticonderoga CG&#039;s and 2 or 3 Arleigh Burke DDG&#039;s

There&#039;s only so much SAM&#039;s the whole Carrier group can carry. The Ticonderoga&#039;s carry 80 SAMs and Arleigh Burke&#039;s carry 50 odd. That&#039;s 300-350 effective SM-2&#039;s, the standard procedure is 2 SAM&#039;s per incoming threat. In which case the carrier group will run out of SM-2&#039;s by the second Swarm wave. then the carrier group will become floating targets.

Yes yes I heard y&#039;all screaming &quot;ESSM&quot;! Hey, if you have to use ESSM and CIWS against incoming missle you know you are in knee deep shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole AshBM business is just a part of an overall &#8220;solution&#8221; No doubt.</p>
<p>For those who held Aegis as their &#8220;Messiah&#8221; needs to understand&#8230; Them CG&#8217;s and DDG&#8217;s carries a limited amount of SAM&#8217;s. The Carrier group WILL survive one or perhaps 2 Swarm attack. but what about the third? what will they do? throw coke can&#8217;s at them?</p>
<p>A CSG (that&#8217;s Carrier Strike Group USN speak) consists of 1 or 2 Ticonderoga CG&#8217;s and 2 or 3 Arleigh Burke DDG&#8217;s</p>
<p>There&#8217;s only so much SAM&#8217;s the whole Carrier group can carry. The Ticonderoga&#8217;s carry 80 SAMs and Arleigh Burke&#8217;s carry 50 odd. That&#8217;s 300-350 effective SM-2&#8242;s, the standard procedure is 2 SAM&#8217;s per incoming threat. In which case the carrier group will run out of SM-2&#8242;s by the second Swarm wave. then the carrier group will become floating targets.</p>
<p>Yes yes I heard y&#8217;all screaming &#8220;ESSM&#8221;! Hey, if you have to use ESSM and CIWS against incoming missle you know you are in knee deep shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most recently, the supercarrier Carl Vinson was repositioned from the East Coast to San Diego–bringing the city’s grand total to 3. Six of 11 aircraft carriers and 29 of 52 attack submarines now operate in the PACOM area of responsibility. There is serious talk of having a second permanently-forward deployed supercarrier as part of the current Guam buildup. And let’s not forget Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, along with our friends in the region: India, South Korea, Japan.

The United States is aware of the asymmetrical Chinese missile threat, along with China&#039;s belligerent conventional military, and is acting accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most recently, the supercarrier Carl Vinson was repositioned from the East Coast to San Diego–bringing the city’s grand total to 3. Six of 11 aircraft carriers and 29 of 52 attack submarines now operate in the PACOM area of responsibility. There is serious talk of having a second permanently-forward deployed supercarrier as part of the current Guam buildup. And let’s not forget Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, along with our friends in the region: India, South Korea, Japan.</p>
<p>The United States is aware of the asymmetrical Chinese missile threat, along with China&#8217;s belligerent conventional military, and is acting accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoduck</title>
		<link>http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-this-is-how-the-carriers-will-die/comment-page-5/#comment-21624</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times finally jumps on the War Nerd bandwagon:

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/04/26/world/international-us-russia-weapon.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times finally jumps on the War Nerd bandwagon:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/04/26/world/international-us-russia-weapon.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/04/26/world/international-us-russia-weapon.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carbon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred Reed agrees:

http://original.antiwar.com/reed/2010/04/23/damn-the-torpedoes-fools-greed-ahead/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Reed agrees:</p>
<p><a href="http://original.antiwar.com/reed/2010/04/23/damn-the-torpedoes-fools-greed-ahead/" rel="nofollow">http://original.antiwar.com/reed/2010/04/23/damn-the-torpedoes-fools-greed-ahead/</a></p>
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