But maybe, just maybe, from a neocon point of view, Iraq was a great success precisely because it was a total failure. Maybe that’s what neocons really wanted: to stoke the fires of sectarian hatreds. I mean why would Zionists want a new Shia-dominated Iraq(close to Shia Iran) that is free, democratic, rich, and powerful? Democratic or not, it would be a rival to Israel. Also, as a democracy, the new Iraq might obtain the right to build up its military and even attain nukes. After all, democratic nations are supposed to be trustworthy. So, maybe neocons never wanted Iraq to succeed. Maybe all the ‘naive’ and ‘foolish’ things that neocons advised for Iraq weren’t really naive at all. Maybe, neocons dismantled the entire Iraq army and banned the Baath party precisely to set off a war among the Arabs/Muslims/Kurds, etc. If Muslims are fighting Muslims, Arabs fighting Arabs, Arabs fighting Kurds, how can they ever come together to challenge Israel?

And there’s been an extension of that policy in Libya and Syria. US didn’t invade those nations but used the cover of ‘Arab Spring’ to funnel tons of arms to all sorts of groups so that civil war would explode all over the place. They are really ‘more Iraq wars minus the invasion’. The policy is the same: stoke sectarian hatred and instigate a civil war.
Once a strongman like Hussein or Assad is gone, humpty dumpty cannot be put together again since there are so many clans and sects and ethnics in that part of the world.

Just as neocons used Shias against Sunnis and Sunnis against Shias and Kurds against Arabs and Arabs against Kurds in Iraq, US is now funneling arms to all sorts of groups in Syria. These groups are now fighting Assad but if Assad goes, they’ll be fighting one another. Great for Israel.

So, while Iraq War was a disaster for America, it was a great success for Israel and Zionist neocons. Zionists do NOT want any successful and stable Arab nation in the Middle East. Indeed, a democratic Muslim nation, if successful and stable, could be more dangerous to Israel. After all, democratic/modern Turkey is a bigger challenge to Israel than other Muslim nations.

the imam is a decent man.

cheney is a blood sucking, lying parasite.

That’s Richelieu(pbuh). Napoleon favoured a hands-on approaceh.

It’s odd you would tag this as a Christian comment. You must be too sheltered to know that all religions and all functioning societies have their own senses of honor, including Hinduism.

Here’s what you’re missing: A functioning sense of honor is worth having because it’s one of the few things that ties national effort to national well-being. Without honor, collective (govt.) efforts get 100% skimmed off by politicians. Your parliament couldn’t even pass the Ombudsman or Lokpal Bill, so India Inc. stays for sale on the cheap. Example: India pursues an expensive dead-end quest for nuclear reactors to pump ever-falling ground water because wealthy landowners got rid of the natural rainwater recharge systems in the South, and went for water-intensive crops to ruin the Water table in the North. India is so dysfunctional that for now, you don’t have anything to teach about governance or honor. Until you figure this out, the “adult” Kissinger-type realpolitik that you adulate will keep on bringing India even more misery.

I’m not an Indian-hater, BTW. I’m an American and have worked with/for many Indians in business and have some longtime friends from India. But there’s one thing that India has too much of and which has hacked me off a few times in 30 years: a certain type of arrogant punk who deal in BS and ignorance, and mistakenly think other people are too stupid to see right thru their BS. When it comes to dealing in BS, the worst of the Indians can hold their own with the worst of the Texans, and it’s never pretty.

So what? People die everyday, wars happen and will always happen and people will die as they have always died from centuries. You need not worry as the Muslim birth rate will take care of that. There are too many humans and muslims in this world anyways.

“When we destroyed Iraq, we destroyed our own honor, self-respect and humanity.”
Such childish Christian nonsense has no place in the world of international war and politics.

First, a complaint over the War’s cost:
It’s $4 to 6 Trillion, not $1 Trillion. Some dipshit commented that “$4 Trillion” doesn’t matter to the US. It’s the entire output of the US for over 5 months. That’s the sort of thinking that makes empires go extinct. Besides, this is only a piece of it. The full cost of America’s military, with 8 wars, 800 bases in 103 countries, etc. is a hair over $1 Trillion a year. That is / has become / a game changer.

Stiglitz and Bilmes at: http://threetrilliondollarwar.org/

Trillion bucks a year for America’s wars:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1941

Now the huge complaint. NO CONTEXT. NONE! The War Nerd is usually great for explaining the context and why it matters, but not here. Was he in a diabetic coma from too many Milk Duds ?

Iraq isn’t a war in the common meaning of a war. The so-called Iraq War was Act 5 of a “Long American War on Iraq”, and even this Long War had a prequel, “The British Conquest And Occupation Of Iraq, 1917-1959”.

Here are the 5 Acts of The Long American War On Iraq:

ACT 1: 1963-1979
The CIA installed Saddam Hussein as a mini Joe Stalin, starting with the 1963 coup against the only good government Iraq ever had. Saddam was only 25; his entry-leve job was to lead the death squads. Saddam didn’t make full dictator until 1977. James Critchfield was the CIA’s Near East Division Chief for the 1963 coup. He told an Australian newspaper, “We regarded it as a great victory.”
Ali Saleh Sa’adi, Baath Party Secretary-General said, “We came to power on a CIA train.” CIA Train! Man, Gary, how could you forget this ???

ACT 2: the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq War, which the War Nerd covered in another, much better column.

ACT 3: Gulf War One
Saddam Hussein was too competent for Washington’s and Tel Aviv’s taste, so Bush Senior tricked him into attacking Kuwait so the US could start the regime change business. I’m always amazed that many otherwise-smart people never heard of this.
This is fucking amazing, and all true:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11376.htm

ACT 4: Sanctions, 1991-2003
“INFANTICIDE masquerading as policy” was how then-House Democratic Whip David Bonior explained the economic sanctions against Iraq. It was deliberate murder of more than 1 million Iraqis, mostly children, women and old people. Genocide, to be exact. The
UN put its UFO-blue stamp of approval on the Sanctions. This was a deliberate slow-motion take-down of Iraq, and a betrayal of all the liberal lies the UN says it stands for. Only American and British warships enforced the blockade, which sums it up. Every UN Director of the Oil For Food Program resigned, one-by-one in angry public protest, but it didn’t matter; the US owned Kofi Annan, the top UN rat-bastard. Annan’s son skimmed money from the Sanctions, along with half the civilized West. The Sanctions phase was part of the plan to soften up Iraq for the invasion. That’s also when the US started bombing Iraq, under Clinton.

Want to know more about Act 4 ? Wikipedia is almost useless because so many important pages, and entire categories have been whitewashed by professionals. Wikipedia’s “Oil For Food” page doesn’t even hint that anyone died as a result of cutting off food, medicine and spare parts for hospitals, the electricity grid, sewage systems, etc.
Just one Wiki page gives casualty figures; download it before the erasers get to it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions

ACT5: Invasion and Occupation
Gary Brecher never mentioned that over 1 million Iraqis were murdered between 2003 and 2007 ! There’s also 5 million refugees who can’t go home, even now.

Shame on Brecher’s fat ass for failing to note the price paid by our victims ! This will bite us on our asses for the rest of our lives, and Gary didn’t explain why we’re gonna have this pain.

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=120

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties

When we destroyed Iraq, we destroyed our own honor, self-respect and humanity. We turned ourselves into 21st Century Nazis, and we can’t even believe our own lies about our “good intentions” and all that shit. It’s not just that 1.2 Billion Muslims around the world are pissed off. The whole world saw America take a ten-year-long shit on every principle we ever claimed to uphold, so now the world doesn’t respect, fear or love us anymore.

I can’t predict Act 6, but I’m sure this ain’t gonna end well.

“Nobody was bothered by thousands of Iraqis dying from trade sanctions because they could be pinned on Saddam.”

I tried Googling it, but I can’t find the research that proves conclusively that nobody was bothered!

I wouldn’t put my friend above my brother, so I guess that means I don’t (really) care about my friend. I also wouldn’t put my dog above my friend, so I guess that means I don’t (really) care about my dog. And look at that: it also means that I (really) care about my friend again! That’s good.

And quite frankly, I’d say it seems Gary’s right. Nobody (really) cares about Iraqis but Iraqis, nobody (really) cares about Americans except Americans. You’re not gonna put a stranger over a family member in terms of concern, same thing on an international scale.

If the opposite was true, all the outrage over 3,000+ deaths from 9/11 wouldn’t have even registered in the American conscience.

Don’t get me wrong, war with Iraq was a terrible idea from the start, but plenty of people would have died regardless either due to Saddam or from the sanctions. Nobody was bothered by thousands of Iraqis dying from trade sanctions because they could be pinned on Saddam. Seems to me you don’t mind the spilled blood, you’d just rather not be spilled in your name because, by proxy, that’s blood on your hands.

I can’t respond to most of the things you said because they don’t apply to me. You seem to have taken the one line I wrote, constructed a character from it and then started talking. Anti-war? Who said that? Oh, nobody. Ohhhhhh, it’s because leftists are the only people capable of empathy. Now I see how you arrived at that conclusion! Maybe I was confused at first because your logic is too advanced. Please try to slow your brain down so the rest of us can follow.

Other than that, you’re right about everything. I’m with you. Fuck everybody. I’m awesome, of course, but everyone else can go fuck themselves. I wish I had an Iraqi child here right now so I could punch her in the face.

This website is awesome!

I won. That’s who won. Get over it.

Maybe because he was already drawing down troops in Iraq, despite your hero Paul Bremer’s muttering dire warnings about bailing on Iraq?

Oh no, did he hurt your sensibilities? Your threat of not READING anymore has us all shaking in our boots!

Typical leftist. You don’t discuss, you threaten with what little power you have – in this case to stop reading. Oh, how you wish you could censor, don’t you?

So what the WN said was, “If you’d care about the Iraqis, which I don’t and neither do you” – he is cutting through all the pretense, Left and Right, because the truth is, people are just using the Iraqis for their own political purposes. You might get yourself all worked up, all hot and bothered, pretending you care about them, but no, not really.

LOL If the Left had really cared about the Iraqis … then why did their anti-war movement evaporate when the Black Messiah Obama wormed his way into the White House? The anti-war demonstrations were only aimed at Bush. To be discarded once a Democrat won the election. That was such a prime example of leftist fake politics that you had to laugh out loud.

And of course, the word “anti-war movement” is B.S. in itself. No one is ever against war. People are only against their enemies waging war. They want the side they hate to stop so the side they love can win.

WAY too much credit/paranoia visavi Iran there.

In fact, there was never any proof they were involved in the insurgency. And why the hell would they? Shia Muslims who’d been living in exile in Iran for decades were in control! Iran wanted the rebels to stop fighting so the U.S. would no longer have an excuse to stay. “Look, everything is peaceful, no Sunny Ba’athists left, now you can get out.”

I remember a story on the MSNBC website about an IED factory found in Iraq. Before long, it was deleted. They didn’t want people to see that IEDs were produced by Iraqis. They wanted them to believe they were produced by Iran.

Meanwhile, in Iraq, U.S. soldiers were arresting a group or Iranian diplomats completely without reason. Just another example in a long, long list of attacks, threats and provocations against Iran. The country that had the gall to nationalize its oil and to support the Palestinian resistance against Israel.

I’m glad Iran won the Iraq war, simply by doing nothing but be a host to Shia exiles for decades. Now those exiles are firmly in control of the country. Now they can do some good – as a force against Israel. Anything bad for Israel is good for the world.

4 trillion a year just ain’t shit to us cause we’re motherfuckin’ America! Maybe it’d be shit in Pakistan or Uzbekistan but it ain’t here!

The fuck we need 4 trillion for? The Chinese give us money all the time and cool stuff at Wal-Mart as a bonus! It was totally worth it kill a bunch of Muslim terrorists assholes for that lil’ bit o money, derp derp!

Avatar of infernal powers – Richard “Hung-like-a-baby-carrot” Cheney – aka ‘Not So Biggus Dickus’? (*1)

The only infernal powers that he is contact with is flatulence. – Neo-C_nt barbecue – Should have been barbecue _of_ the Neo-C_nts (*)

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs#t=21s

That, and Gollum. –

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvIFRNbqOs#t=10s

NUREMBERG Mk II

F___ing Pussy! and the B_tch of Cell Block N – Neo-C_nt – Nuremberg Mk II –

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvg9WTUhBXo

Poor US Neo-Cons / ‘Our Tony’ / Ca-Maroon (ER, Ca-Moron?) — Terrified of their date with destiny — A long drop on a short rope. – Nuremberg Mk II. –

Mk I for comparison – Nuremberg Executions of Nazi Leaders for ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ and ‘Crimes Against the Laws of War.’ – Original –

- http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95d_1206462963

NEO-C_NT BARBECUE

“God, I love the smell of napalm in the morning.” – Col. Brecher encourages his Exiled readers. In Spanish for the new ‘Neo-C_nt-Financially-Imploded-/-Economically-Volunteered’ army.

Which is how you’ll hear it … When you join up in order to eat.

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUDShxRWniw#t=00m02s

Fade out – The Doors – Apocalypse Now -

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WJlLNIsyY#t=01m11s

(*1) UP THE USUK EMPIRE !

Just say “Up yours” to USUK Empire fascist insanity!

- USUK Empire fascism made mainstream by ‘Biggus Dickus,’ (of Wome on the Potomac) — Big Oil tool and US Torture promoter – brought to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Aden, Syria, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Poland, Lithuania and many, many more —

- “You lucky bastard” – Monty Python – Life of Brian -

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TPQ0DEVaEk#t=0m40s