You mean people like Hitler?

Bzzzzz. Wrong. Hitler was born, raised and died a Catholic.

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You only have a shallow grasp of history, the core of political power, and economic ideologies. But it serves your true political enemies well, because you shout very loud for them.

If your not one of them, they don’t give a fuck about you. Everyone HAS to have a tribe. They know this. The tribal loyalty, and their ability to destroy other tribes, is the core of their power. Their largest victory is convincing you to fight against your own tribe and in the interest of theirs. Its a shame that you will never receive anything for your efforts but more oppression.

Seriously, you have a lot of heavy reading and eye opening to do before you can engage in this conversation seriously. Even if you didn’t share the opinion of those who you rail on against, its still important to know their perspective. We know yours. You only think that you know ours, but you haven’t reached a specific level of political understanding yet. World War II didn’t occur for imagined reasons, for either side. The reasons were real and urgent.

As for my Zionist-loving mother who sucks on the staff of any exiled heeb that comes along , and closetcase Zionist wannabe commentors like myself who fancy themselves warriors for human justice and masturbate to the idea of marrying a yid and joining the chosen few, we are gonna keep screaming waaaaah waaaaaah waaaaaah. Yeah the Jews are horrible. Yep hicks like me have nothing better to do than to troll comment sections and spew scary prophecies about the end of days for the Jews. Really scary stuff. Brrrrrrr. Really scary. My skidmark is now very visible to a significant amount of people. I hear crunching noises in my underpants as I shift weight from one buttcheek to another in my computer chair writing about how the Jews made up the entirely ridiculous “Muslim Terrorist” lie, as well as when you speak your arrogant and poorly sarcastic responses to anyone who speaks of anything zionist. It’s fine. I just keep trolling the comments with my cool, collected scary Jew apocalypse voice. Did I give you goosebumps? Brrr. Scarrry. Why cant people like me just be done talking our illogical and fallacious arguing tactics are predictable, boring, and are obvious fronts to reason and provable truth. We lost the argument when I refused to have it. You’ll divert some with your continued arrogance, illogical racist accusations, and denial of reality, this will only serve to inoculate most to your shouts. Now, we move on without you. That’s right, you’re not invited to our end of days bunker. We’re afraid you’ll bone all our aryan shiksas.

The Confederates didn’t want to be the United States — the capital was Atlanta until Virginia joined (it would’ve been a short war if Virginia hadn’t — US General Robert E. Lee?) and they moved to Richmond to reward the Virginians.

The general attitude on both sides at first was that Confederate secession was a good thing — then someone realized how much Federal revenue came from tariffs on Southern cotton, and Lincoln, the New York Times, et al. changed their stance pretty darned quick.

Now? I doubt the North will let the South go until a general collapse arrives — because they’re so dead-set on how superior they are to the rest of the world, and releasing the South as an (enthusiastically) independent nation would retroactively prove that they were oppressors all along after all. They’d rather fight a miniature Civil War every four years than admit that their self-proclaimed identity was a lie.

(But even if not for the South, it would be a lie. Have you ever heard of the Morgenthau Plan?)

You ask:”Plus your Jewish explanation fails to explain how these ideas, Bolshevik or not, took hold in places like Spain, China, Laos, Vietnam,India etc. that certainly aren’t known for their Jewish population.”

Let me start with China, the toughest zit to pop: there are very few little yellow, circumscized comrades with almond-shaped eyes and big noses, true… so we have to go back to 1920 and the starting up of the Communist Party of China, organised by one Russian Jewish comrade, Grigori Voitinsky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Voitinsky
We also should not forget Otto Braun, and the other Cheka advisors like Borodin, helping Mao and his war.
In the 1920s, 1930s the Soviets worked with the same receipt in the Asian countries.

In Spain, the “democratic forces” consisted mostly of foreign communists. For the life of me I could not name one communist volunteer from Hungary in the Spanish civil war who was not Jewish: the most famous is Gerő Ernő, nom-de-guerre Pedro, Party Secretary in 1956, whose famous speech on 1956 october 23. calling the peaceful demonstrators “fascist scum” incited the armed rebellion.

You say:”perhaps if you substituted “Jews” with “large population of historically disenfranchised and exploited lower classes” then maybe you have something.”

Definitely not.
The peasants, for one, were always against communism and the kolhoz. The communists hated the peasants, because they were self-supplying and independent. The destroying of the kulak families, the artificial famines, etc… would sour up even those peasants towards communism who received their land in 1945 from the hands of the Party(only to be taken away a few years later) and who were too young to remember 1919…the first try of the Communists, when they were-well, hanging the peasants en masse on the countryside… I’m talking about Hungarian history of course.

The workers? They were not communists. Some were Social-Democrats, more were ArrowCross-symphatizers (fascists), the rest simple patriotic citizens eager to scrape up a decent living. Under communist rule, they were freezing, starving, couldn’t buy a decent pair of shoes or an overcoat, and the work-norms were much worse than in the capitalist system. Small wonder the Workers Councils in 1956 were the greatest enemies of the Communist Party. The street fighters of the 1956 revolution were the Hungarian workers. The people who hanged the “Class War”-preaching Communist cadre on the Köztársaság Square lamp-posts were…workers! And the class-status of most of the rebels executed after 1956 by the Communists were…workers!

You ask:”is a communist automatically a Jew?”

Of course not!
The leadership of the Communist Parties were Jewish, but not all Communists were Jewish: they ruled by proxy. They used the outsiders of society, the lumpen-proletariat, aka. the dumb goyim masses to destroy the traditional elites and take over the power. They elevated some of these lumpen-proletariat people as stooges into key positions, too (and these people became the staunchest communists as they had everything thanks to the system), like in Hungary after 1956 when they realised that the obvious Semitic character of the system does not wash well with the population. And there was always conflict between the lumpen-proletair element and the Jewish element about who has the power: the best example is Stalin and his famous “persecution of the Jews”.

About Christianity: the reason why the Communists persecuted Christianity is two-fold: one, as Jews they hated Christians, and two, as Communists they hated moral and ethical people…

The contradiction is only at a superficial level: this is not an either/or question.

With your example: 1. some hard-working Mexicans are providing very cheap labour, taking the jobs and undercutting the salary-levels of their competitors, too, and 2. some of the Mexicans are lazy gangstas selling black tar heroin and coke, abhorring the very thought of work.
From the “idiot” Californians’ point of view, both can be reason to complain, without contradiction: no need to stick to one.

You find the Bolshevik Jews/Capitalist Jews phenomenon contradictory because you do not look behind the IDEOLOGIES. On an ideological level, the two should be in antagonistic opposition, shouldn’t they?
But, the question was NOT about ideology. It was about who controls the countries, who has the political power, who is disposing over the wealth of the countries.
In the capitalist countries, like the USA or Great-Britain, the capitalist Jews already had political and economical control. But in Eastern-Europe, where the bolshevik Jews came to power, the countries were traditional societies where the national elites held the powers. They had to be eliminated, and the bolshevik Jews used proxies for it: the underclass, the lumpen-proletariat. In the “dictatorship of the proletariat”, the power was NOT in the hands of the proletariat, but in the hands of the (Jewish) bolshevik party cadre. And when finally Communism fell, the same cadre appeared as the new private owners of the previously “common” wealth, keeping their political powers, too.
Now you see why it is not a surprise that the first 5-year plan for the Sovietunion was planned on Wall Street. That the first Communist Party in Hungary held its meetings in a bank, receiving funding from the same bank. That Communist countries could become members of the IMF and World Bank.
Funny thing is, without the credit the capitalist Jews provided, communism would have gone bankrupt long ago. Meaning the capitalist Jews provided the funding of our oppression-and now we still have to pay that money back, with usury-rate interests, too…

Hahaha, fucking YEAH. Ironic, isn’t it?
Have you seen the 1938 film of Jack Glenn, titled “March of Time: Inside Nazi Germany”?
An American anti-Nazi propaganda film. Hard as they tried, even they could not suppress the truth, in a funny way. In the film they say all the German workers have jobs at last, after the Weimar Republic unemployment of millions, the workers can feed their families, they have good housing, and cars, and good salaries-and the stupid fuckers do not seem to understand how oppressed they are as German workers! I was laughing my dick off!
Did you notice the letters S and A in the party name N.S.D.A.P.? S for Socialist, A for Arbeiter (Worker). Hitler realised that the German workers had nothing to do with Bolshevism. So, after eliminating the Communists and re-structuring the class of the business-owners with national elements, the antagonism between the working class and the business owners got to a minimum level. That is why Stalin preferred to call them fascists: he did not like to be reminded of the success of non-marxist socialists.

By the way, I decidedly did not name any specific peoples or ideologies behind the atheist murderers, so everybody could think of their favourite evils…

I’ve heard the same about the arrows piercing plate mail and it seems to be true, but only if it’s a direct hit. Otherwise, it will just glance off the armour. I expect you can find videos on youtube showing this.

For some reason Western Europe never took to horse archery, as even in Eastern Europe there were nomadic tribesmen who lived much like the Mongols. Kind of makes you wonder how Crecy or Agincourt would have happened if there’d been horse archers on one or both sides.

You’re right about Marco Polo, it’s a pretty dry read. I’d recommend the Jack Weatherford books about the Mongols. Also the James P. Delgado book I recommended to the War Nerd. In fiction, Conn Iggulden has a series of novels about the Mongol conquests. They’re a pretty fun read, but he does take some dramatic license so don’t expect strict historical accuracy.

thanks for the response. I wonder where my friend got that idea? by the way, the same friend told me its been proven that mongol bows can pierce plate mail. Is that true?

anyway, i think medieval Europe was WAY too politically fractured to handle anything like a Mongol invasion. I know a lot more about the Crusades than I do the Mongols, so you can correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that the Arabs and the Turks had similar fighting styles to the Mongols, and once Saladin came along fielding a unified army, the Knights fared pretty terribly…in fact, most everybody agrees that the early military vicotries of the Crusades were anomolies and owed much to infighting amongst the Turks.

That was a long winded way of saying yeah, I agree. The mongols probably would’ve swept right through Europe and back, probably leaving only England and Maybe Spain alone, soley because of geography. Anyway, i didnt know they turned around because of the Khans death, nor any of that other stuff about Russia (which WAS politically unified, and still apparently unable to defend itself). Got any introductory books to recommend? I was considering leafing through Marco Polo, but the contemporary sources are useually dry and lack an engaging narrative (at least the Romans do).

REPTOID COMMUNIST JEWS FROM OUTER SPACE DID 9/11 TO MANIPULATE THE FIAT CURRENCY. HITLER WAS JUST TRYING TO STOP THE RED LIZARD INVASION YOU STUPID SHEEP !!!!!

You still haven’t really answered my question about Jews and Leftism. Not all leftists belonged to official (Bolshevik) communist parties. There are libertarian socialists/communists, anarchists/anarcho-syndicalists, democratic socialists, left liberals, wobblies and other traditions that aren’t Marxist or Bolshevik. Plus your Jewish explanation fails to explain how these ideas, Bolshevik or not, took hold in places like Spain, China, Laos, Vietnam,India etc. that certainly aren’t known for their Jewish population. However… perhaps if you substituted “Jews” with “large population of historically disenfranchised and exploited lower classes” then maybe you have something. So in response to your question about “real” or “Bolshevik” Jews I ask, is a communist automatically a Jew, even if he’s from Southeast Asia, because of a supposed “Jewishness” intrinsic to communism?

Your comment about atheist agendas is the typical right-wing Christard crap we’ve been hearing for ages from our own American echo chamber of stupid. What you call “secular stats” were still cults of personality whose anti-religious agenda was usually to destabilize a previous power, such as how the Soviets persecuted the Orthodox Church, but did little in the way of suppressing Islam. In any case, I didn’t make that point to act as though atheists are perfect and without violence, but to point out your hypocrisy in blaming a tiny minority of the Earth’s population for everything wrong in history, when Christians far outnumber just about everyone (not sure what the statistics are in terms of world religions, but I believe Christians are still on top) and European Christianity has had probably the most far-reaching impact of any world religion. (For the record, I don’t think Christians are intrinsically evil or that all the injustices and atrocities of the world are attributable to Christianity or even religion alone, only that it’s silly to throw around wild conspiracy theories about Jews when the influence of Christianity is out in the open for all to see….)

I haven’t heard that stuff about the bows, but southern China is more humid than most of Europe and the Mongols did just fine destroying the southern Song. Took them a while, but they managed it. Your colleague is probably right about the relative poverty of Europe not really tempting them, but let’s not forget that the two times they came up to the continent’s borders their khan up and died and the armies had to turn back to fight over the succession. If neither Genghis nor Ogedei had died, who knows what might have happened? The Mongols were able to defeat the knights of Russia and Hungary, both heavily forested at the time, and the knights can’t even use their standard tactic of retreating to their castles because the Mongols had siege engines and rudimentary explosives and cannons from captured and defected Chinese engineers.

Anyone else find the polar accusations of Bolshevik Jews and Capitalist Jews contradictory? It’s about as stupid as the idiot Californians who complain about Mexicans who:

1. are lazy
2. take all the jobs

Stick to one accusation or the other.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

“In the last 100 years, during the XXth century, atheist people of secular states with decidedly and pointedly atheist agendas massacred and mass-murdered hundreds of millions of peoples…”

You mean people like Hitler?

As War Nerd used to say, we are tribal critters. There are billions of peoples fucking about on this rock which hurdles through space and turning non-stop under us, so to deal with and evaluate every person individually is a luxury which is impossible to begin with. Generalization is normal human behaviour, and we can not choose our gender, race, ethnicity (and at some places our religion, too), but we are born with it. Not sticking to our tribe and not working to further our own tribes’ interests is personal and tribal suicide. It has nothing to do with having critical minds or not, I’m afraid…

As per no.1:
The brain size of humans are the same since caveman times, and geographical location does not affect this. Therefore Americans are not dumb per se, but are dumbed down on purpose. Mainly with television: TV is a weapon of psychological warfare. The dumbing down of Americans is sociologically and scientifically devised, so blaming them for falling victims to it is hypocritical.

As per no.2:
The Communist Party leadership was Jewish everywhere, and they used the greed of the outsiders of society, the lumpen-proletariat in the rank and file of the Party, to destroy the traditional national elites and to take over the wealth of the unfortunate countries falling victim to their agenda. This is called “Class War”. Millions of kulaks were murdered, it led to artificial famine. The workers were exploited worse than under capitalism… (The only state where the workers and owners co-operated happily towards a common goal was the Third Reich).
I know, I know, the Jews say the Bolshevik Jews do not count as Jews, only as Bolsheviks…but I used to wonder: is this magic transformation a general law? I mean, does a Jew not count as a Jew if he joins ANY political party, or is it only a Communist Party-specific phenomenon ?

As per no.3:
I’d say it a bit differently: Jews infiltrate every political movement, they do not give a shit about ideology, all they care about is if it is good for the Jews or not.
From Europe, all I can see is the American fundamentalism is Judeo-Christianity, it is Christian Zionism, a contradiction in terms, and has nothing to do with real Christianity.

As per no.4:
If I were an atheist like you, I would refrain from harshly accusing people of any faiths with historical violence, because I would be aware of the enormous hypocrisy of the claim. In the last 100 years, during the XXth century, atheist people of secular states with decidedly and pointedly atheist agendas massacred and mass-murdered hundreds of millions of peoples…

As a non-Jew, Irish-German atheist, I feel the need to respond to this. I know the right likes to simplify their enemies into a homogenous mass that makes it easier to digest for their uncritical minds, but I think you fail in quit a few assumptions here.

1. The obvious contempt of and looking down on the average American citizens aka. the dumb goyim masses. Typical Jew.

I’m not Jewish and I feel the same way. Next please.

2. “Class War” and assorted shit preached on the site. In 1956 we hanged those “Class War”-preaching Commie Jews from the lamp-posts on Köztársaság Square.

What is it with thinking that all Leftists, Marxists, Socialists, Communists, etc. are Jewish? Just because Marx was a Jew? Are all right-wingers French monarchists? Fucking frogs. Or are you guys a bunch of spikehead kraut pieces of shit? See how much sense this makes?

And you don’t have to be a Jew to understand Class War, but it’s obvious the right would like to deny that class privilege even exists. Don’t worry, you’ll get your day hanging from that lamppost as well.

3. Ready to put the blame of 9/11 and the disastrous Middle-East wars on the shabos-goyim leaders of America leadership like Bush, but not once mentioning the whole NeoCohen enchillada, defending Israel and the Jews to the hilt.
You American Jews are more disgusting back-stabbing traitors than the German Jews ever were in 1918.
Fucking kike scum. Period.

And additionally, what’s with this bizarre fantasy that all Jews act with a hive mind? Is it unfathomable that some Jews are ALSO rightwing and authoritarian while some Jews oppose Israel’s policies?

Apparently you don’t understand the psychology of Christian fundamentalism (Christian fucktardism) that pervades the politics in this country. The Bushies and other theocrats don’t really care that much about Jews. They are convenient Middle East Allies. What they really care about is good ‘ol Jerusalem because it’s a central part of their bullshit religion (don’t worry, I think Judaism is bullshit too, mein Fuhrer) and they want it in good American-friendly hands.

4. The non-stop anti-Christian sentiments. Typical Jew, can not help himself.

What’s so great about Christianity? Christian fucktards like yourself have infested and ruined all corners of the globe in greater numbers and with greater devastation than the Jews you’re so scared of could ever hope to. Fuck Christianity and fuck you, you Christ-humping scumbag.

As a non-Jew, Irish-German atheist, I feel the need to respond to this. I know the right likes to simplify their enemies into a homogenous mass that makes it easier to digest for their uncritical minds, but I think you fail in quit a few assumptions here.

1. The obvious contempt of and looking down on the average American citizens aka. the dumb goyim masses. Typical Jew.

I’m not Jewish and I feel the same way. Next please.

2. “Class War” and assorted shit preached on the site. In 1956 we hanged those “Class War”-preaching Commie Jews from the lamp-posts on Köztársaság Square.

What is it with thinking that all Leftists, Marxists, Socialists, Communists, etc. are Jewish? Just because Marx was a Jew? Are all right-wingers French monarchists? Fucking frogs. Or are you guys a bunch of spikehead kraut pieces of shit? See how much sense this makes?

. Ready to put the blame of 9/11 and the disastrous Middle-East wars on the shabos-goyim leaders of America leadership like Bush, but not once mentioning the whole NeoCohen enchillada, defending Israel and the Jews to the hilt.
You American Jews are more disgusting back-stabbing traitors than the German Jews ever were in 1918.
Fucking kike scum. Period.

And additionally, what’s with this bizarre fantasy that all Jews act with a hive mind? Is it unfathomable that some Jews are ALSO
4. The non-stop anti-Christian sentiments. Typical Jew, can not help himself.
You may play the white man for a while, but the J-factor always kicks in. Sooner or later the Americans will realise what you are doing, like the Germans did or us. We shot the Juden into the Danube in 1944 for example.
And then, its the cattle-trains for you, motherfuckers, and Adios kike scum!

“We” did not loose Iraq to Iran – but “we” would once it get free of ZOG in Washington. Afghanistan is already set to follow that path. Why? Because “we”, the aliens invaded those countries for Israel and greed while Iran has a common religion and history with Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen and Lebanon.

Cheney, like any other American political leader – was a Zionist stooge. His actions were also based on his stupidity and hatred toward Muslims.

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/10/21/is-us-about-to-lose-iraq-to-iran/

Well, there was a forum called Laissez Faire on Something Awful for a few years but it was closed after an enthusiastic clown declared that he wanted to kill the president, at which point the SS got involved and the admins shut down the forum. We loved the exile over there. I’m guessing that an exile forums community would end in a similar fashion.

But having a small membership fee could help filter out some of the white noise, and since racist trolls and kochbots would get banned and have to pay again every time they want to poison the discourse, it helps cover the bandwidth costs.