Comments on: War Nerd: Rules in the Era of Squeamishness http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/ All the news not fit to print: Gary Brecher the War Nerd, Mark Ames, Yasha Levine, Eileen Jones and the rest of Team eXiled Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:25:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Really Now http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-37693 Really Now Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:46:07 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-37693 “wiping out enemy civilians once they’d taken the territory, would have been standard policy for any European army pre-’45.” So why were Russian Civilians so shocked that the formerly civil army of the Kaiser was suddenly brutal enough to go so far as to kill civilians? “wiping out enemy civilians once they’d taken the territory, would have been standard policy for any European army pre-’45.”

So why were Russian Civilians so shocked that the formerly civil army of the Kaiser was suddenly brutal enough to go so far as to kill civilians?

]]> By: Antonio Garcia http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-15351 Antonio Garcia Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:03:26 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-15351 It's a sad day when this world looks for guidance from people in there region regardless if your great ancestors wrote the Bible or the Koran. There's more genocide now with the creation of religion such as common Christianity than when there was no religion in the world but yet nobody will ever see that aspect of society It’s a sad day when this world looks for guidance from people in there region regardless if your great ancestors wrote the Bible or the Koran. There’s more genocide now with the creation of religion such as common Christianity than when there was no religion in the world but yet nobody will ever see that aspect of society

]]> By: mephistopheles http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-9242 mephistopheles Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:45:26 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-9242 It's probably that you've been reading popular Chinese history but if you read Sun Shuyun's history of the Long March, Otto Braun wasn't as bad a strategist- he wasn't the one advocating a static WWI approach to fighting the nationalists. Braun's history is whitewashed because Mao hated him. Still I have no clue how you figured that Mao was the one using the blockhouse strategy, Chang Kaishek was the one making blockhouses and it slowly worked. He said he got it from a 19th century Chinese general. Since Jiangxi was surrounded by nationalist troops there was no way to move away from the blockhouses as they inched closer in and coordinated artillery and machine gun fire on Mao. It’s probably that you’ve been reading popular Chinese history but if you read Sun Shuyun’s history of the Long March, Otto Braun wasn’t as bad a strategist- he wasn’t the one advocating a static WWI approach to fighting the nationalists. Braun’s history is whitewashed because Mao hated him.
Still I have no clue how you figured that Mao was the one using the blockhouse strategy, Chang Kaishek was the one making blockhouses and it slowly worked. He said he got it from a 19th century Chinese general. Since Jiangxi was surrounded by nationalist troops there was no way to move away from the blockhouses as they inched closer in and coordinated artillery and machine gun fire on Mao.

]]> By: G. Tingey http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-5925 G. Tingey Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:13:29 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-5925 "wiping out enemy civilians once they’d taken the territory, would have been standard policy for any European army pre-’45." Bollocks. Like I said - go and read some real history. This did NOT happen in the areas taken by the Western allies in WWII, and, after the rape-wave had passsed, nor did it, even under the area controlled by the Soviet theocracy. “wiping out enemy civilians once they’d taken the territory, would have been standard policy for any European army pre-’45.”

Bollocks.

Like I said – go and read some real history.
This did NOT happen in the areas taken by the Western allies in WWII, and, after the rape-wave had passsed, nor did it, even under the area controlled by the Soviet theocracy.

]]> By: Robert Farley http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-5641 Robert Farley Sat, 04 Apr 2009 12:09:39 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-5641 Dude, the Blockhouse strategy was the brainchild of Hans Von Seeckt (de facto commander of the Reichswehr for much of the 1920s), and was executed the the Nationalist forces, not the Communist. It was remarkably successful, because it cut down on the mobility of the Chicoms. This, rather than the advise of Otto Braun (which wasn't taken very seriously by the Chicoms in any case) was the proximate cause of the abandonment of the Jianxi Soviet and the onset of the Long March. Dude, the Blockhouse strategy was the brainchild of Hans Von Seeckt (de facto commander of the Reichswehr for much of the 1920s), and was executed the the Nationalist forces, not the Communist. It was remarkably successful, because it cut down on the mobility of the Chicoms. This, rather than the advise of Otto Braun (which wasn’t taken very seriously by the Chicoms in any case) was the proximate cause of the abandonment of the Jianxi Soviet and the onset of the Long March.

]]> By: Rpche http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-5071 Rpche Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:30:53 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-5071 "wiping out enemy civilians once they’d taken the territory, would have been standard policy for any European army pre-’45." Wrong. The 1930s and 1940s are pretty much the only time in Europe in which wiping out enemy civilians was considered okay, and then it was only done on the Eastern Front in WW2. During the Franco-Prussian war, for example, the Germans had Paris surrounded but refused to bombard the city because they didn't want to be mean. “wiping out enemy civilians once they’d taken the territory, would have been standard policy for any European army pre-’45.”

Wrong.

The 1930s and 1940s are pretty much the only time in Europe in which wiping out enemy civilians was considered okay, and then it was only done on the Eastern Front in WW2.

During the Franco-Prussian war, for example, the Germans had Paris surrounded but refused to bombard the city because they didn’t want to be mean.

]]> By: von Adler http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-3182 von Adler Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:29:40 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-3182 Eh, no major wars between 1815 and 1914? How about the Crimean War, the Mexican-American War, the Prusso-German War, the Prusso-Danish War, the Austro-Prussian War, the Wars of Italian Unification, the Spanish Carlist War(s), the Burmese Invasion of India, the Pacific War, the Spanish-American War, the Balkan Wars, the Oriental Crisises, the Italo-Ottoman War, the British-Zulu War, the Boer War, the 1877 Russo-Ottoman War, the Russo-Japanese War, the Graeco-Turkish War of 1897, the First Sino-Japanese War, the Boxer Rebellion, American Civil War, The War of the Triple Alliance etc. etc. etc. Eh, no major wars between 1815 and 1914? How about the Crimean War, the Mexican-American War, the Prusso-German War, the Prusso-Danish War, the Austro-Prussian War, the Wars of Italian Unification, the Spanish Carlist War(s), the Burmese Invasion of India, the Pacific War, the Spanish-American War, the Balkan Wars, the Oriental Crisises, the Italo-Ottoman War, the British-Zulu War, the Boer War, the 1877 Russo-Ottoman War, the Russo-Japanese War, the Graeco-Turkish War of 1897, the First Sino-Japanese War, the Boxer Rebellion, American Civil War, The War of the Triple Alliance etc. etc. etc.

]]> By: Mycos http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-3137 Mycos Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:46:26 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-3137 Until we all recognize the existence of a subgroup within mankind whose cognitive "style" compels them to over-simplify issues of peace and war into easily understandable "black and white" components, then there is no hope of our ever learning from the lessons of history. These people, variously called right-wing conservatives, authoritarians or the social dominance oriented, are compelled to over-simplify. In doing so they ignore any facts that do not resonate with their preconceived notions as to good and evil, hence who is right, who is justified, what really happened, and what others are thinking. Fear and aggresion dominate their thinking in a way that allows them to transform small, stateless actors who they denigrate as weak and cowardly one minute into a terror threat that should command every resource available into wiping them out befpre they take over the world..this despite the combined USSR and Red Chinese Armies being unsuccessful at it. In short, these people are so divorced from the real world that any attempt to account for man's behavior in the future is doomed to failure if it doesn't take into account the insanity of this one small group. In fact, our failure to recognize them as an identifiable and separate subgroup is probably the greatest single reason for most wars in the past, and what now keeps the rest of us talking about when and how the next war will be fought. Intellectuals have long known of their existence, but their presence is still thought of by mainstream societies as being just another ideaological sector -- one that has as much legitimacy as any other. The problem with that is they are not at all like the rest of us. They actually think differently at the most basic cognitive level. Test after test shows them to behave in ways similar to the rest of when we are pressed for time or feel the need to make decisions hastily and without all the facts being integrated into the whole neccesary for making a correct decision. It resembles the decision making process of people with high mortality salience or who are in fear of being found out for something they did wrong and can expect to be punished for it. Even DHS's terror and counter-terrorism center warns that right-wing conservatives are the primary group from which politically motivated violence is most likely to arise. After all, Saddam Hussein, OBL, GWBush, Hamas, Likud, Zionism and Nazism are all right-wing conservative leaders and movements. Examples of the way they are capable of torturing history or known facts are revealed by the attempts to recast Nazism as a left-wing movement. This, as well as Islam and any other group that is embarrassing to their own self-image by virtue of their being on the right. Just look how they now belive media has been taken over by "libruls" despite the overwhelming presence of conservatives in every sector of the news media. But because that's the source of embarrassing newscasts eg. dead Pali kids, they tell themselves that these are lies or exaggerations from a hostile (to them) media. Conveniently, so too are the universities and scholars themselves similarly hostile liars. How else can they handle the fact that scholars are the ones who have all the records showing the truth of historical massacres or other events they prefer to recast as defensive or "accidental" events. Max and Tyre above are two of several displaying this unique ability to recreate reality in their own image. Oh..yes! Empathy is another trait that humanity evolved in order to socialize our adaptive approach to the environment but which RWCs seem largely unable to use...a factor (among several others) that is suggestive of some kind of evolutionary dead-end or throwback being responsible for their violence. From DHS: "A meta-analysis by J. T. Jost, J. Glaser, A. W. Kruglanski, and F. J. Sulloway (2003) concluded that political conservatism is partially motivated by the management of uncertainty and threat. Medium to large effect sizes describe relations between political conservatism and dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity; lack of openness to experience; uncertainty avoidance; personal needs for order, structure, and closure; fear of death; and system threat." "We now take it for granted in the United States that political conservatives tend to be for law and order but not gun control, against welfare but generous to corporations, protective of cultural traditions but antagonistic toward contemporary art and music, and wary of government but eager to weaken the separation of church and state. They are committed to freedom and individualism but perennially opposed to extending rights and liberties to disadvantaged minorities and others who blur traditional boundaries. There is no obvious political thread that runs through these diverse positions and no logical principle that renders them all con- sistent. Their cooccurrence may be explained just as well with psychological theory as with political theory. Conservative opin- ions acquire coherence only by virtue of the fact that they minimize uncertainty and threat while pursuing continuity with the past (i.e., the status quo) and rationalizing inequality in society. Basic social, cognitive, and motivational differences may also explain why extreme right-wing movements are typically obsessed with purity, cleanliness, hygiene, structure, and order — things that would oth- erwise have little to do with political positions per se — and why religious fundamentalism is so attractive to right-wing parties and their followers in just about every nation stretching from North America to the Middle East." http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~hannahk/reply.pdf Until we all recognize the existence of a subgroup within mankind whose cognitive “style” compels them to over-simplify issues of peace and war into easily understandable “black and white” components, then there is no hope of our ever learning from the lessons of history. These people, variously called right-wing conservatives, authoritarians or the social dominance oriented, are compelled to over-simplify. In doing so they ignore any facts that do not resonate with their preconceived notions as to good and evil, hence who is right, who is justified, what really happened, and what others are thinking. Fear and aggresion dominate their thinking in a way that allows them to transform small, stateless actors who they denigrate as weak and cowardly one minute into a terror threat that should command every resource available into wiping them out befpre they take over the world..this despite the combined USSR and Red Chinese Armies being unsuccessful at it.

In short, these people are so divorced from the real world that any attempt to account for man’s behavior in the future is doomed to failure if it doesn’t take into account the insanity of this one small group. In fact, our failure to recognize them as an identifiable and separate subgroup is probably the greatest single reason for most wars in the past, and what now keeps the rest of us talking about when and how the next war will be fought.

Intellectuals have long known of their existence, but their presence is still thought of by mainstream societies as being just another ideaological sector — one that has as much legitimacy as any other.

The problem with that is they are not at all like the rest of us. They actually think differently at the most basic cognitive level. Test after test shows them to behave in ways similar to the rest of when we are pressed for time or feel the need to make decisions hastily and without all the facts being integrated into the whole neccesary for making a correct decision. It resembles the decision making process of people with high mortality salience or who are in fear of being found out for something they did wrong and can expect to be punished for it.

Even DHS’s terror and counter-terrorism center warns that right-wing conservatives are the primary group from which politically motivated violence is most likely to arise. After all, Saddam Hussein, OBL, GWBush, Hamas, Likud, Zionism and Nazism are all right-wing conservative leaders and movements.

Examples of the way they are capable of torturing history or known facts are revealed by the attempts to recast Nazism as a left-wing movement. This, as well as Islam and any other group that is embarrassing to their own self-image by virtue of their being on the right. Just look how they now belive media has been taken over by “libruls” despite the overwhelming presence of conservatives in every sector of the news media. But because that’s the source of embarrassing newscasts eg. dead Pali kids, they tell themselves that these are lies or exaggerations from a hostile (to them) media. Conveniently, so too are the universities and scholars themselves similarly hostile liars. How else can they handle the fact that scholars are the ones who have all the records showing the truth of historical massacres or other events they prefer to recast as defensive or “accidental” events. Max and Tyre above are two of several displaying this unique ability to recreate reality in their own image.
Oh..yes! Empathy is another trait that humanity evolved in order to socialize our adaptive approach to the environment but which RWCs seem largely unable to use…a factor (among several others) that is suggestive of some kind of evolutionary dead-end or throwback being responsible for their violence.

From DHS:
“A meta-analysis by J. T. Jost, J. Glaser, A. W. Kruglanski, and F. J. Sulloway (2003) concluded that political conservatism is partially motivated by the management of uncertainty and threat. Medium to large effect sizes describe relations between political conservatism and dogmatism and
intolerance of ambiguity; lack of openness to experience; uncertainty avoidance; personal needs for order, structure, and closure; fear of death; and system threat.”

“We now take it for granted in the United States that political conservatives tend to be for law and order but not gun control,
against welfare but generous to corporations, protective of cultural traditions but antagonistic toward contemporary art and music, and wary of government but eager to weaken the separation of church and state. They are committed to freedom and individualism but
perennially opposed to extending rights and liberties to disadvantaged minorities and others who blur traditional boundaries. There is no obvious political thread that runs through these diverse positions and no logical principle that renders them all con-
sistent. Their cooccurrence may be explained just as well with psychological theory as with political theory. Conservative opin-
ions acquire coherence only by virtue of the fact that they minimize uncertainty and threat while pursuing continuity with the past (i.e., the status quo) and rationalizing inequality in society. Basic social, cognitive, and motivational differences may also explain why extreme right-wing movements are typically obsessed with purity, cleanliness, hygiene, structure, and order — things that would oth-
erwise have little to do with political positions per se — and why religious fundamentalism is so attractive to right-wing parties and their followers in just about every nation stretching from North
America to the Middle East.”
http://terpconnect.umd.edu/~hannahk/reply.pdf

]]> By: Green Boy http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-3059 Green Boy Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:03:43 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-3059 Hey WN - care to weigh in on the DIME controversy? Military claims it is used to reduce collateral damage. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/dime.htm Peaceniks claim it is the new napalm. What is your take? Hey WN – care to weigh in on the DIME controversy? Military claims it is used to reduce collateral damage. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/dime.htm Peaceniks claim it is the new napalm. What is your take?

]]> By: fajensen http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-3056 fajensen Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:14:54 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-3056 Well, I appreciate the War Nerd for his unique ability to send the ecologically-correct grown-by-indigenous-people coffee straight through my sinuses and into the keyboard of my Corprat PeeCee. Cleanses the mind - well as close as we get anyway ;-) Well, I appreciate the War Nerd for his unique ability to send the ecologically-correct grown-by-indigenous-people coffee straight through my sinuses and into the keyboard of my Corprat PeeCee. Cleanses the mind – well as close as we get anyway ;-)

]]> By: rex http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-3038 rex Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:20:37 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-3038 Again I think a lot of people are missing the whole point of the way the war nerd writes. He's not condoning or condemning any of this. Just saying how it is in all probability he doesn't want total nuclear holocaust. He's just stating why it isn't happening. Again I think a lot of people are missing the whole point of the way the war nerd writes.
He’s not condoning or condemning any of this. Just saying how it is in all probability he doesn’t want total nuclear holocaust. He’s just stating why it isn’t happening.

]]> By: Eye del Cul http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-3029 Eye del Cul Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:16:43 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-3029 Spain, socialist state? WTF? In certain circles, anything at Margaret Tatcher's left must be "socialism", I suppose... I, for one, welcome our new islamic communist overlords. And I must go now to work in the koljhoz, sorry. :) Spain, socialist state? WTF? In certain circles, anything at Margaret Tatcher’s left must be “socialism”, I suppose…

I, for one, welcome our new islamic communist overlords. And I must go now to work in the koljhoz, sorry. :)

]]> By: fajensen http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-3005 fajensen Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:04:12 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-3005 <i> You won’t get me onboard on pretending that Israelis are on “our side” just because there is Arab immigration in Europe. </i> That Israel is on Israels side is perfectly understood and accepted (generally) by everyone. People are questioning the reasoning behind "official" European involvement in the "Palestine cause" to the tune of millions of EUR per year (and the bloating of social service budgets and prison population due to failed immigration policies). <i>US media bosses favor Arab immigration, and they favor Israeli occupation of Arabs. Why? One standard for Israel, another for Europe.</i> Maybe the US think that enough unfriendly immigration into Europe will destroy a potential competitor to the US, which would be in the interest of the US? Or maybe the Americans genuinely believe that what happened to work for the US - at least as long as the economy was growing - is universally applicable ... although the Sioux might see things differently ;-) Who knows?? @ 68. Eye del Cul: You sound disturbingly like the Swedish establishment: Head stuck firmly up their arse while places like Rinkeby and Gothenburg burns. Spain is a failing socialist state too, I gather.
You won’t get me onboard on pretending that Israelis are on “our side” just because there is Arab immigration in Europe.

That Israel is on Israels side is perfectly understood and accepted (generally) by everyone.

People are questioning the reasoning behind “official” European involvement in the “Palestine cause” to the tune of millions of EUR per year (and the bloating of social service budgets and prison population due to failed immigration policies).

US media bosses favor Arab immigration, and they favor Israeli occupation of Arabs. Why? One standard for Israel, another for Europe.

Maybe the US think that enough unfriendly immigration into Europe will destroy a potential competitor to the US, which would be in the interest of the US?

Or maybe the Americans genuinely believe that what happened to work for the US – at least as long as the economy was growing – is universally applicable … although the Sioux might see things differently ;-)

Who knows??

@ 68. Eye del Cul: You sound disturbingly like the Swedish establishment: Head stuck firmly up their arse while places like Rinkeby and Gothenburg burns. Spain is a failing socialist state too, I gather.

]]> By: daniel http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-3000 daniel Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:13:18 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-3000 as an israeli i congratulate you for that article. especially about sabra and shatila. it gave us a bad name even though we didnt do it, its just that our slow reaction time didnt stop it. and after that we had to rethink everything. and the reason we dont wipe em out is because simply were A WESTERN country. AND OUR set of morals inhibit us nowadys from doing this. but this will also be our bane cause the other side have no quarrel with population cleansing. so when the wheel turns we wont be able to use asymetric warfare to our benefit. as an israeli i congratulate you for that article. especially about sabra and shatila. it gave us a bad name even though we didnt do it, its just that our slow reaction time didnt stop it. and after that we had to rethink everything.

and the reason we dont wipe em out is because simply were A WESTERN country. AND OUR set of morals inhibit us nowadys from doing this. but this will also be our bane cause the other side have no quarrel with population cleansing. so when the wheel turns we wont be able to use asymetric warfare to our benefit.

]]> By: Eye del Cul http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-2980 Eye del Cul Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:52:41 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-2980 Ah, the old mantra again... "Israel is the little poor David, Hamas/Hezbollah/Whatever is the big old terrible Goliat". Please, spare me of it. It's getting ridiculous. @49. fajensen: Sorry, I can't read seriously any text with the word "Eurabia". It's only used by paranoid nutcases and Milosevic wannabes. Your opinion may be widespread in Sweden -I doubt it-, but here in Spain you sound like a buffoon. Please, speak for your little crazy town and not for all europeans. Ah, the old mantra again… “Israel is the little poor David, Hamas/Hezbollah/Whatever is the big old terrible Goliat”. Please, spare me of it. It’s getting ridiculous.

@49. fajensen:
Sorry, I can’t read seriously any text with the word “Eurabia”. It’s only used by paranoid nutcases and Milosevic wannabes. Your opinion may be widespread in Sweden -I doubt it-, but here in Spain you sound like a buffoon. Please, speak for your little crazy town and not for all europeans.

]]> By: Alex http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-2929 Alex Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:43:04 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-2929 I see the paid defenders of Israel are earning their money well on the War Nerd now. I see the paid defenders of Israel are earning their money well on the War Nerd now.

]]> By: Ben http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-2916 Ben Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:54:38 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-2916 "There have been many attempts to make anti-immigration Europeans become pro-Israeli. The tacit argument is, “This way you can prove you are not Nazis!” How about the argument that, if Israel is destroyed, all the Israelis will be coming to Europe? Now that would be fun! Eurojudeoarabia. If Palestinians get right of return, so do Jews. The Poles are gonna love it. “There have been many attempts to make anti-immigration Europeans become pro-Israeli. The tacit argument is, “This way you can prove you are not Nazis!”

How about the argument that, if Israel is destroyed, all the Israelis will be coming to Europe? Now that would be fun! Eurojudeoarabia. If Palestinians get right of return, so do Jews. The Poles are gonna love it.

]]> By: internet anti-Zionists http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-2914 internet anti-Zionists Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:44:21 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-2914 It is instructive that people who are so unbound and brilliant on every other subject make such appalling mistakes when pretending to discuss Israel. It is instructive that people who are so unbound and brilliant on every other subject make such appalling mistakes when pretending to discuss Israel.

]]> By: Carpenter http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-2896 Carpenter Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:59:23 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-2896 fajensen writes, <i>"The - for now - silent majority of the “Euros” are sufficiently fed up with all Arabs to the point that they would probably let it slide if Israel got it’s shite together and removed both halves of Palestine from the map!"</i> You won't get me onboard on pretending that Israelis are on "our side" just because there is Arab immigration in Europe. US media bosses favor Arab immigration, and they favor Israeli occupation of Arabs. Why? One standard for Israel, another for Europe. There have been many attempts to make anti-immigration Europeans become pro-Israeli. The tacit argument is, "This way you can prove you are not Nazis!" Sorry, not buying it. Israel cheer Arab immigration to Europe. When Jörg Haider entered Austria's government in 2000, Israel withdrew their Austrian embassy and lobbied for EU isolation of Austria. Israel want a green light to occupy Palestine. But they want Arab immigration to Europe. All in their interest. No fajensen, you fail in making their occupation our cause. fajensen writes, “The – for now – silent majority of the “Euros” are sufficiently fed up with all Arabs to the point that they would probably let it slide if Israel got it’s shite together and removed both halves of Palestine from the map!”

You won’t get me onboard on pretending that Israelis are on “our side” just because there is Arab immigration in Europe. US media bosses favor Arab immigration, and they favor Israeli occupation of Arabs. Why? One standard for Israel, another for Europe.

There have been many attempts to make anti-immigration Europeans become pro-Israeli. The tacit argument is, “This way you can prove you are not Nazis!” Sorry, not buying it. Israel cheer Arab immigration to Europe. When Jörg Haider entered Austria’s government in 2000, Israel withdrew their Austrian embassy and lobbied for EU isolation of Austria.

Israel want a green light to occupy Palestine. But they want Arab immigration to Europe. All in their interest. No fajensen, you fail in making their occupation our cause.

]]> By: Carpenter http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-rules-in-the-era-of-squeamishness/comment-page-2/#comment-2894 Carpenter Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:54:27 +0000 http://exiledonline.com/?p=3618#comment-2894 Max writes, "Some rabbi shmuck that you mentioned is a complete unknown not representative of Israel at the time." Yeah, except he did the sermon for a great mass murderer who fired into praying Arabs. Nice try. All of Israel and the world knew of this mass murderer. His funeral was a great event in Israel. The rabbi saying that all the Palestinians are not worth a single Jewish fingernail, is not "a complete unknown" - other than for the fact that Israeli media ignore such a comment. They think a comment like that on a mass murderer's funeral is too trivial to mention - since the murderer was celebrated by the Israelis. Thank you, you just proved my point. Btw, the Israelis have killed around 2,000 Palestinians in the few years that Hamas killed 15 Israelis with Qassam rockets. How do you explain away that fact with something like, "Israel is fighting for its existence," etc? And how do you explain away the fact that Hamas respected the ceasefire from June 2008, until <b>Israel broke it by killing two Hamas members on November 4?</b> US media consistently ignore that detail, as do Israelis when interviewed. Max writes, “Some rabbi shmuck that you mentioned is a complete unknown not representative of Israel at the time.”

Yeah, except he did the sermon for a great mass murderer who fired into praying Arabs. Nice try. All of Israel and the world knew of this mass murderer. His funeral was a great event in Israel. The rabbi saying that all the Palestinians are not worth a single Jewish fingernail, is not “a complete unknown” – other than for the fact that Israeli media ignore such a comment. They think a comment like that on a mass murderer’s funeral is too trivial to mention – since the murderer was celebrated by the Israelis. Thank you, you just proved my point.

Btw, the Israelis have killed around 2,000 Palestinians in the few years that Hamas killed 15 Israelis with Qassam rockets. How do you explain away that fact with something like, “Israel is fighting for its existence,” etc?

And how do you explain away the fact that Hamas respected the ceasefire from June 2008, until Israel broke it by killing two Hamas members on November 4? US media consistently ignore that detail, as do Israelis when interviewed.

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