I think you are missing the point. The point is that a big part of this world – including Great Britain – has come to the conclusion that doing such things is very, very bad. Others have been punished for doing it. Was that wrong in your opinion?

This article is about hypocrisy, not about what was usual and normal in war for the last ten thousand years.

When you condemn one people for what “they” have done you can not just ignore if your own people have done compareable things.

And railroads and hospitals are a pretty shitty deal in exchange for being the victim of a genocide. According to your logic the Jews would have to be pretty grateful to the Nazis because they got even more out of the Holocaust in the end than just a few railroads and hospitals.

In the past, what do you think happened when a city fell to its attackers? The men were killed, and the women and children enslaved. Everywhere, assuming the entire population wasn’t just butchered out of hand.

Before ‘human rights’ existed, and they’ve only existed since WWII, this was just standard practice. The people in the city knew it. The people besieging the city knew it.

You can bleat on about how tragic it all was for the natives, but what the good fuck do you think the natives were doing to each other before the British arrived? You think they were giving each other flowers and hugs?

No, because it was standard practice to kill the men and enslave the women, guess what, that’s what they did too. Are you going to criticise the Zulus for doing it? Are you going to criticise the Indians for the Kalinga Wars? No? Why not? They did exactly what the British did and they did it on their own.

The only things that set British civilzation apart from anyone else are these points:

1. We did it bigger and better than everyone else, with less manpower. You suck.

2. Abolitionism. That’s right, fuckers, we paid the natives to build railroads and hospitals. Unlike everyone else, who used slaves. Good job, moralisers!

3. We understood that while assembling a pillar of skulls may make a strong point, its rarely pertinent in the long run. Unlike just about every Eastern civilization in history.

4. In 1940, we stood alone against the Nazis while the rest of you scratched your arses and thought “perhaps its best to learn German”. So suck it.

I think you are missing the point here. The point is not that Nazis haven’t been bad, the point is that they haven’t been the only ones who were bad, but are pretty much the only ones who get scolded for what they did.

And the British are certainly not the least and last when it comes to pointing fingers and throwing the first stone at the Germans, are they?

Everybody knows what the Germans did, everybody learns about it in school, thousands and thousands of books have been written about it, Germans are still the number one villain of choice in every kind of fiction.
Nobody remembers or gives a shit about what the Brits did though.
How many articles like this one can you find in the internet?
Not many.

And then you come along and think it is a good idea to write a long comment, once more trying to hide British crimes behind Nazi crimes? In the comment section to the ONE article that makes the point that it is fucked up to always talk about Nazi crimes and totally forgetting and ignoring the crimes of others?

That’s not meant to detract from the horrors of what the *British* did, though. The point is that the Nazis started doing, or trying to do, all the same things the British did.

For example, we know the Brits used foreign troops from one country to crush opposition to their rule in another. The British did this *all the time,* as Mr. Brecher explains with the example of the Malays in Sri Lanka. As he puts it: “Left in peace, Malays could be trouble–a proud, warlike people. So by sending them to die in Sri Lanka, you’re diverting all that young, angry Malay blood away from SE Asia and using it to bleed Kandy (bleed Kandy–I like that!). Two birds, one bloodsoaked stone.”

Then he goes on: “You see why I get impatient with you gullible suckers yammering about the fucking Nazis? The Nazis were retards… compared to the Brits, the scariest motherfuckers ever to butt-fuck the planet.”

And yet the Nazis did the same damn thing. For example, they raised units of non-German foreigners, put them in the SS, and sent them off to fight the Russians. After making their ally Italy dependent on them for supplies and military advisors, they used Italian troops to occupy much of Eastern Europe, freeing up Germans for the front. Then they used Eastern European troops to *reinforce* the Germans on the front.

The Nazis used large numbers of Italian, Romanian, and Hungarian troops as dependent subject-allies against their main enemies, and small numbers of troops drawn from other conquered populations in the same way.

The only reason the Nazis didn’t become famous for doing this kind of thing is that they lost so quickly, because they picked a fight with about three large countries at once, any one of which had enough firepower to hold them off or defeat them.

-Another example: scorched earth tactics. Mr. Brecher describes the “Wasteland Policy” the British used against the Sinhalese: “Brit-led troops “draining the sea” the Sinhala irregulars swam in by burning every hut, every field, and killing every animal in every village they suspected of harboring “rebels.””

He goes on: “But they [the British] did it smart, not like the idiot boastful Nazis y’all love to obsess on. I bet every one on the planet can name the Nazi death camps, but I’d be surprised if more than, say, a half dozen people outside Sri Lanka can name the policy the Brits used to destroy the Sinhala for good.”

Thing is, the death camps were only half the system the Nazis had in mind for destroying the peoples they wanted out of the way. And the flashy, high-profile half at that. The other half was… the Wasteland Policy, pretty much. Their postwar plan was to apply a wasteland policy over *all of Russia,* destroying the Russians as thoroughly as the Australian Aborigines (victims of the British who got it even worse than the Sinhalese did; at least the Sinhalese eventually got their country back to them after the Brits were done crapping all over it).

But they never got to implement that policy either, because they lost the war. Why did they lose the war? Because they picked a fight with three big countries at once, any one of which could probably have held them off, and any two of which could have flattened them.

That was their mistake, when it came to playing at imperialism. They were every bit as ruthless as the established masters of ruthlessness, the British. They may even have been a tiny hair worse; they didn’t crush their victims more thoroughly in the time they had, but they damn sure got a start on doing it faster, and made a bigger dent in the first few years than the British did in most peoples *they* oppressed.

What the Nazis failed at wasn’t lack of ruthlessness; there was no lack of that in their colonial policies. What they failed at was remembering not to bite off more than they could chew.

200,000 people were killed, taking into account the population at the time it was a genocide. The educated and leadership class of the Senkadagala Sinhalese (“Kandy” as the British called it) was lost. A generation was wiped out. The effects of which are felt to this day.

Family names which existed for 2,000 years are now gone.

To add insult the British used imported Tamils as the military force to carry this massacre out. And late millions more loyal, subservient, effeminate Tamils (as the British described them) were imported into “dilute up” the population to make the demographics more favourable in order to prevent future challenges to British control (this is how the British maintained “peace”). The surviving Sinhalese kicked out of their ancestral lands were thrown into poverty with the Tamils and British sitting on it.

It is why the Eastern province of Sri Lanka for example forms part of the “Tamil majority area/Tamil homOland” as they claim even though this gigantic province is not even populated.

You will find the Tamil population concentrated in and around Trinco and in Baticola town. The inner areas of the province, aka the whole thing is EMPTY of Tamils.

The Tamils in East are a batch who were “rewarded” for their services to the British with settlement in the East, its why they are so concentrated in one spot like someone dumped them there, the inhabitation pattern is so unnatural, especially for a squabbling lot claiming they have been in said area for 2,000 years (a load of balderdash).

I’m a Moor and IMO Sinhalese get a lot of stick for nothing. You should see the way Tamils are treated in Malaysia or India. Malays and North Indians do not tolerate any political dissent from Tamils especially. They banned Tamil political parties that advocated any form of civil disobedience and sedition (i.e. in the 50s and 60s that meant ALL of them), let alone an armed struggle as in the case of Sri Lanka where they were allowed to run amok under the tag of “democracy”, “dissent” and look what happened, AND still these Tamil separatists parties are allowed to advocate their racist belly aching nonsense right at this moment. Only place where a bunch of tarts calling death on the majority community have such ridiculous levels of immunity in the name of “democracy”. Imagine a minority political party calling all white people in Canada/US/UK to “submit” to them being given entry to Parliament and access to international forums and other perks paid for by the same Government and people they want crushed? Would that be allowed under “democracy”?

1. Paper was invented by the Chinese. Not by any Western civilization. Way to embarass yourself there.

2. You say I make you sick. I’m assuming by this you mean that all non-westerners are so uncivilized and savage that they nausiate the highly intellectual, civilized beings that all undoubtedly Westerners are. Well, let me tell you something: you Westerners LITERALLY make people from other civilizations sick. Did you even read the above article? As Brecher said, one method you Westerners used to destroy a population was to infect their population with smallpox. Just ask the Aztecs. So if you don’t like being sick, well tough luck bitch. Once again, you’ve managed to embarass yourself completely with your moronic arrogance.

3. You make insults such as ‘take a bath and reduce infant mortality’ as well as other idiotic statements in an attempt to insult me by referring to the fact that non-western civilizations are generally third-world. Well let me tell you something. Firstly, baths didn’t actually originate from any Western civilization. So if you hate non-westerners so much you might as well stop bathing (once again your stupid insult has backfired on you). Secondly, the reason non-Western countries are so technologically and socially retarded is because YOU UNCIVILIZED BARBARIANS DELIBERATELY DESTROYED THEIR SOCIETIES. DID YOU EVEN READ THE ABOVE ARTICLE? HOW IRONIC THAT YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF AND YOUR PEOPLE THE EPITOMY OF CIVILIZATION WHEN YOU EVIDENTLY DON’T EVEN POSSESS THE ATTENTION SPAN TO READ THE ARTICLE YOU ARE COMMENTING ON.

My mind is overwhelmed by the irony of the fact that even as you try to assert your opinion that Western civilization is above other human civilizations, you consistently display your lack of basic intelligence, which is the greatest form of civilization itself. I would continue responding bit by bit to everything else you have said to me, but there is no need to. All I have left to say is this.

Thank you for proving my point.

“Who says the English don’t know about our murderous past? ”

The people who suffered and still suffer do.

“Who says we go around acting all high and mighty? ”

Hmz, like lecturing Sri Lanka? Milliband and Brown trying to save your Tamil terrorist pets? (He flew in personally to have the whole leadership flown to safety). After all Tamils have been your loyal hit force against those nasty Buddhists who refuse to bow to the Queen.

Their terrorist networks and money for their war campaign against the Sinhalese comes right out of Her Majesties Government (and subsidiaries e.g. Canada, Australia etc). Every suicide bomb, train bomb, bus bomb, destruction of Buddhist temples and people since the 70s has been planned and materials provided for by Tamils given shelter in Britain.

Continuing the policy of oppression mentioned in this article, while pretending to be “Mr. Neutral”!!

When the Sinhalese defend themselves from the violence you are perpetrating against them you lecture them on Human Rights!

“I’ve always found England to be very apologetic about our past. So you found one asshole in denial who says otherwise, big deal. Most are aware of what we did.”

Then why do you lecture Sri Lanka still?

“If we criticize America now, that makes sense, as you are going around killing people (though hopefully with a president swap that will change).
”

Hypocrisy again! How can you citizen them when you tag along with them ever they go? Trying to “re-live” the good ‘ole days of ruining er “running” the world and have every one bow at your feet again? Must feel good.

The people who suffered and still suffer do.

Hmz, like lecturing Sri Lanka? Milliband and Brown trying to save your Tamil terrorist pets? (He flew in personally to have the whole leadership flown to safety). After all Tamils have been your loyal hit force against those nasty Buddhists who refuse to bow to the Queen.

Their terrorist networks and money for their war campaign against the Sinhalese comes right out of Her Majesties Government (and subsidiaries e.g. Canada, Australia etc). Every suicide bomb, train bomb, bus bomb, destruction of Buddhist temples and people since the 70s has been planned and materials provided for by Tamils given shelter in Britain.

Continuing the policy of oppression mentioned in this article, while pretending to be “Mr. Neutral”!!

When the Sinhalese defend themselves from the violence you are perpetrating against them you lecture them on Human Rights!

Then why do you lecture Sri Lanka still?

Hypocrisy again! How can you citizen them when you tag along with them ever they go? Trying to “re-live” the good ‘ole days of ruining er “running” the world and have every one bow at your feet again? Must feel good.

Like much of H. P. Lovecraft’s writing

Sorry I didn’t read your comment sooner. I’m very familiar with both the standard of living in both Ukraine and Belarus, and I really have to correct you – Belarus’ standard of living, at least in this day and age, sucks compared to Ukraine’s.

Granted, the living is more peaceful in Belarus than in Ukraine (whenever someone asks me how I like living here, that is the polite answer I give them). I wouldn’t expect to be robbed here as I was in Kiev. But consumer goods are vastly better in Kiev than in Minsk. Entertainment options are more numerous (though that could be a function of population: 2 million in Minsk vs. 3 million in Kiev). And healthcare is at least trying to go post-Soviet south of the border; I fear ever having to use the local hospital here in Belarus, Belgostrakh coverage or not.

The comparison between the number of whores from Ukraine and from Belarus I have no reliable statistics on. Granted Ukraine has a greater reputation for providing “paid companionship” but they also have five times the amount of population. Despite Belarus being a police state, it still surprises me when leaving Minsk to see the eye-candy hitchhikers searching for “a ride”; they seem to vanish about 30 minutes out of the city.

So as to the argument that democracy messes up a standard of living based on the results of Belarus and Ukraine, I’d say that there is a gross problem with your “Western Data”. Also you ignore the fact that Ukraine will continue to get Western attention and investors (whenever it is the economy will recover) in part because of the open non-visa regime it has with the EU and western countries (most of this openness and resulting Western support is post-Kuchma/Orange Revolution). Belarus might get the same, but only if it follows the EU’s standards for an “open” society. And the way Lukashenko has been playing this in the press, it’s hard to say whether he will allow that to happen, ever (Russian milk boycott or not).

As with any of the former Soviet states, in both Ukraine and Belarus it’s not really about whether you are pro-Moscow or pro-West. It’s about keeping your turf intact. That’s the way it is in Georgia, in Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltics, or any of the whole lot.

That Russia (more specifically Putin) hasn’t learned to play with this any better than it has shows it to be a rank amateur compared to the British in India about 150 years ago. But maybe I’m being unfair – Russia has only had sober leadership for the past nine years. What was the length of time between the Battle of Plessy and the advent of the British Raj?

Awwwwww, did someone strike a nerve? The Brits were the most murderous bunch of scum on earth and you know it. The Americans are just trying to (half-assedly) follow their model. Hell, they even use the same economic weapons the Brits did in their heyday, except now they’re more formal institutions and have catchy names (WTO, World Bank, IMF). Or does this all hurt too much? Hurt enough to make you misuse a simple word like “hypocrite”. Here here, have a nice little movie to dry those tears! http://www.amazon.com/Notting-Hill-Collectors-Hugh-Grant/dp/B000023VTP/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1244722466&sr=8-6