WN Day 26: Lulls ‘n’ Lies Over Ivory Coast & Kenya

The War Nerd / April 15, 2011

By Gary Brecher

Ble Goude: Looks tough; good fall guy.

We’re in one of the lulls, war-wise, where the short bursts of action stop so the lawyers and whiners can sing their little songs. In Ivory Coast, the UN public-relations department is doing its best to make you believe that the losing side, Gbagbo and the coastal tribes, were the bad guys all along.

The BBC first announced that the leader of the Young Patriots, an Abidjan-based Gbagbo militia, has been arrested for human-rights violations, then retracted that story.

That’s a bad sign, when the designated lie-provider has to tinker with the story after putting it up. This one just won’t stand up for even a little while. The trouble is, the winners, the UN and IMF-backed northern/Muslim group led by Alassanne Outtara, have clearly been chopping and raping their way south through the enemy Christian/coastal peoples’ territory, but that doesn’t fit the IMF storyline. So somebody’s got to be fall guy on Gbagbo’s side. They seem to have decided that Gbagbo isn’t a good fit—maybe he looks too much like a sad beagle:

Gbagbo: Sad beagle

…or more likely he cut a deal with the French to go into quiet exile in Nice—so the Young Patriots leader, Ble Goude, is the next nominee, a much younger, tougher-looking face to put in the bad-guy poster.

But even if Ble Goude and his Young Patriots were dedicated rapers and killers (and they may be; I can’t say), they didn’t have the time or opportunity—or heavy-weapons backing—that Outtara’s men had. They rode behind IMF/French/UN APCs all the way south, free to jump down and do whatever they felt like while the foreigners took care of any real combat. (Not that there was much to take care of.)

The one paragraph in this BBC story that amounts to the reporter saying, “Please read between the lines here, because even I can’t stomach what they’re making me say” is this one:

“A new report from the International Rescue Committee aid agency says alarming numbers of women and girls have also been raped, sexually assaulted, beaten and harassed by armed men as they were fleeing violence, many to neighbouring Liberia.
The IRC’s Liz Pender, in the Liberian town of Ganta, said those who are reporting incidents represent a tiny fraction of the victims.
“The types of sexual violence we’re hearing about is devastating,” she told the BBC’s Network Africa programme.
“It’s rape, it’s gang rape, it’s sexual slavery – men taking them as ‘wives’, keeping them for a week, exchanging them with their friends and the girls or women either manage to escape or are subsequently killed.”
One woman told Ms Pender how she was forced to watch as several men took turns raping her sister who was then beaten to death.
The women were reluctant to say which side’s fighters had attacked them.”

That last line, “The women were reluctant to say which side’s fighters had attacked them,” is the kicker. When the victim won’t say who did it, it usually means, “The winners did it.” It’s just too easy to name the losers, the designated bad guys. If they won’t say, it’s because they know their story contradicts the IMF version.

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Kenya: Good Healthy Denial in Progress

Cristina Odone, The Scarlett O’Hara of Kenya

In yesterday’s blog I talked about the way a healthy empire reacts when the really nasty stuff comes out, like it’s coming out now about what the Brits did in Kenya in the 1950s. I said a healthy empire has no conscience, never apologizes, and never gets Nuremburg’d. Well, last night I went looking for British reaction to these archives that prove Caroline Elkins was right, and the colonial rulers in Kenya really did run one of the deadliest Gulags of the century.

What I found, or didn’t find, was just what I expected. Most of the Brit sources don’t mention it at all. The best way to “refute” something like this is never to mention it, and that’s what they’re doing. A few pundits over there are writing about the news, but mainly to say, “Nonsense. Couldn’t have happened.” I found this hilarious column from the UK Telegraph, which seems to be a paper for crusty old patriotic types, where someone named Cristina Odone says the whole fuss about torture in Kenya is just a plot by “self-hating” Britain. And to prove she’s not biased or anything she says, “I know a little about the Mau Mau because my parents lived in Kenya just as their reign of terror drew to an end.”

Lost your plantation, didja Chrissie? It’s like Scarlett O’Hara testifying on the horrors of Yankee rule and Reconstruction. To get a good idea how real imperial loyalists deal with bad news, just check out her reader comments. No matter where you are, there’s only a few ways to deal with days like this, when your own archives prove you’re guilty. One is the good ol’ “It must be a conspiracy to make us look bad” approach. Here’s a neat little example of that from Chrissie’s comments:

“There is more to this than meets the eye, who is pulling the strings behind this?”

Yeah, that’s it! Those international Kikuyu bankers who control the world are putting those dead Africans up to it.
Then there’s the “You got off lucky” line, and there’s plenty of that in the comments:

“The [Kikuyu] people in the photo should count themselves lucky to be alive! Other nations that we can think of would have been far, far harsher with the Mau Mau than Britain was!: They would ALL be dead.”

Well, at least you tried. You killed something like 15% of the total Kikuyu population; that’s not bad. This notion that there’s some Dr. Evil out there who can wipe out every last one of the ethnic group, that’s just not realistic. You can do that to hunter-gatherers, maybe, especially if you’ve got the edge in disease resistance, but Africa has more genetic diversity and disease resistance than the rest of the human world put together, so there’s no way you were going to kill every last Kikuyu. Besides, you weren’t trying to. Who’d have done all the work then? Not Chrissie’s plantation mumsy and dadsums, that’s for sure. Actually the British administration decided, in writing, not to kill off the entire Kikuyu population in 1895 “because we depend on them for food supplies.”

Then there’s the argument that they had it coming:

“I grew up in Kenya from 1953 to 1956. The atrocities committed by those barbarians defies any form of human decency and as such I believe they forfeited any claim they may have had to human rights.”

This might fly if you didn’t know the actual figure for British colonists killed by Mau Mau: 32. Thirty-fucking-two. And on the other side of the scoreboard? Well, they ran out of room: something like 300,000 Kikuyu, and over a million shoved in concentration camps. There’s usually a ratio of 10:1 or so in irregular warfare, natives killed : settlers killed, but a rate of 30,000:1…I mean damn, the Nazis never came close to that.

All this bluster is good enough to keep Chrissie’s audience huffing along in their parsonages or wherever they hang out, cursing this here modern world.

But then something really interesting happens. Somebody quotes actual testimony by Kenyans who survived the Gulag. Here’s the quotes, and then the reaction to them:

Kariuki Mungai
I was born in Kiambu District. On 5 May 1954, I was arrested during Operation Anvil. I was then put in a train and transported to Manyani Camp under heavy armed guard. At Manyani, the reception was frosty the next day. We had to be disinfected forcefully in a cattle dip, just as cows are. I was also injected with a substance I did not know. At Manyani, a white officer nicknamed ‘Mapiga’ hit me with a baton on the back of the head after news had come that some detainees had tried to escape. I fell down and lost consciousness from the impact of the blow. I was unable to move around for a week and was helped by fellow inmates who would mop my injured head until I recovered. Manyani was a place in which I was forced to perform one of the most dehumanising jobs possible. The sanitation system was the open bucket system, where inmates defecated and urinated into open buckets. I was among those tasked to carry this human waste in buckets upon our heads. The buckets would be overflowing with human faeces and urine, which would get into our faces and even pour on our heads as we went to empty the buckets. We would then wash these buckets and get disinfected. The hard labour, which included breaking stones with a 10 kilogram mallet, was supervised by a white officer nicknamed ‘Kiuga’, who would also supervise incessant beatings throughout the day.
Wambugu wa Nyingi alias Kagotho
I was born in 1928 in Nyeri District. I was arrested on 11 December 1952, having been accused of having taken the Mau Mau oath. I was taken to a screening camp called Kia Riowa in Aguthi, near Muthinga. We were repeatedly beaten at this place in order for us to confess, or ‘vomit’ the oath, which the detainees had denied knowledge of. From the screening camp, I was brought to Nairobi to a place unknown to me, and then to Athi River Camp. I then went to Manyani Camp where at times, we would clean the buckets used to carry human faeces with sand and then use them to fetch drinking water. At Hola Closed Camp, where I stayed for three months, I was a witness and victim of the infamous Hola massacre. I was hit on the lower back of the head around the neck until I passed out. All the 11 were killed with clubs, and no firearms were used. I lost my friend, Migwe Ndegwa and a Turkana detainee. I lay unconscious with the 11 corpses for three days at a room where the corpses had been placed awaiting burial. I was taken to the hospital at Hola by a European doctor. The hospital was outside the closed camp. I stayed at the hospital for one week and I was then taken back to the closed camp. An inquest was opened and we would normally go to testify at a court near Nyali.. I gave evidence for three hours

This gets one response:

“For the avoidance of doubt the above post is written by a white englishman with a large guilt turd on his/her shoulder. I am not having it.
If you don’t like it here then go back to Bonga Bonga Land.”

That’s morale. Morale and silence beat argument every time. First the guy says this is the work of a white Englishman, then he says, “Go back to Bonga Bonga Land.” Doesn’t matter. The real line is “I am not having it,” and that’s how real empires deal with the stuff they can’t stomach or hide. They just ain’t having it.

I always used to wonder when I was a kid how people dealt with stuff they can’t bear to know. What’s funny, looking back, is that I could’ve had all the research material you’d want without leaving the house—Denial City Central, 3brd 2 b–but I never thought of it that way, just figured my family was messed-up and had nothing to do with the big picture. Actually we were pretty typical, a little crumbling empire, just like every American family I ever saw. They deal with it by not dealing with it. Probably when people are willing to deal with stuff, “face” stuff, they’re near the end. Logic is not healthy for empires and other spreading things.

There’s this myth that people argue, discuss things, and the best argument wins. I never noticed that in my life. Did your family do that? Mine never did, never heard it in anybody else’s house either. Maybe people argue about a few little things, things no one’s willing to kill or die for. Although even those boil over into firefights pretty damn often (“Tastes great!” “Less filling!” followed by burst of small-arms fire). But for the really serious stuff, there’s no rational argument. There’s our guys good, your guys bad, and that’s all anyone wants to hear. We walk around on our hind legs like circus poodles and pretty soon the poodles who teach in the colleges and write for the papers start believing it: “We are a hind-leg walking, rational species known for its reasonable nature.” And backstage all the poodles in the little spangly human vests and tied-on hats are trying to kill each other because Poodle A sniffed Poodle B’s butt the wrong way.

In that way, and I hate to admit it, Chrissie’s blue-hair nazi commenters are kind of right: it really is a bad sign, a sign of decline, when people face facts. It’s not what we’re designed to do.

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1. noam | April 15th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Ever considered writing philosophy? scratch that, if it works don’t fix it!
2. franc black | April 15th, 2011 at 10:30 am
“it really is a bad sign, a sign of decline, when people face facts. It’s not what we’re designed to do”
Wow. You’d make Orwell proud. I’ll email you to ask how I can help.
3. Duarte Guerreiro | April 15th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Hey Gary, have you seen the doc Armadillo? It’s coming out now in the States and it’s great stuff. I kept thinking of how you described Afghanistan and it was just the manifestation of your words.
* SPOILERS *
A bunch of Danish soldiers stuck in the middle of nowhere running shit patrols where all they do is piss of the locals by stomping all over their poppy fields and blowing up their children and cattle by accident (but still give candy to kids because, you know, hearts and minds). Half of the soldiers have the IQ of bonobos and went to war because “it’s an adventure!”
All the while the “taliban”, whoever the fuck they are, go around taking potshots at them and then get the fuck out of Dodge, leaving those poor idiots killing the shit out of some adobe walls.
Then some of their guys get killed and they all start going “I’d rather shoot an Afghan than a dog” and forget all about their nice Danish heritage of humanism and helping those poor, suffering brown people (who most of the time talk shit to their face whenever the translators are away).
When they finally get some confirmed kills after six months of breathing sand they throw a big party but some bleeding heart complains to mom that they took pictures of the dead guys and the good mood gets ruined real fast.
That whole country looked like a room filled with beheaded chickens still running around, hitting walls and squirting blood all over the place.
* SPOILERS *
Really makes you appreciate the old Roman wisdom of killing every male of military age and enslaving the rest of them. It’s just an impossible job otherwise.
4. Eric Weidner | April 15th, 2011 at 10:33 am
I agree with your assessment of the human species. “Culture” is just a thin layer of make-up. We’re still animals deep down inside.
Only one solution: eat, drink & be merry.
Or get while the gettin’s good.
5. Jack Boot | April 15th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Winners right, losers wrong…
6. Mac | April 15th, 2011 at 11:33 am
That Brit way of doing things is obsolete. Sure they were the bast at it. They installed somme governor who saw to it that the local populace was divided and concured aand made into serfs. But they still had to plant their flag there. They were still the overt masters of faraway lands.
The new and improved way is to install a puppet regime, that can be kept in check via banking and “military aid”. Why plantt your own flag when the Empire runs so much more smoothly in the locals have no foreign flag to rebel against?
And the Brits are still great at that game, although ya’ll Yanks have taken it to the next level. The true masters of Empire at present date.
7. lk123 | April 15th, 2011 at 11:38 am
No one ever “accepts” history. The Japanese don’t accept what they did in China, the South doesn’t accept slavery, the Turks don’t accept the Armenian genocide, and so on. You accept responsibility for history and you are over as a people, you will be forever saying sorry, apologizing for the past, bowing to everyone, being meek, you will pass shame and self-hatred on to every generation. You will be the lowest of the low, you will be, shudder, modern Germans.
8. chris | April 15th, 2011 at 11:57 am
I am an average Brit, and I have always been amazed at the sheer callousness of the upper classes.
Is it just a lack of imagination over other people feelings, or is it a pure detachment?
From my experience these people are NOT RACIST. They do not idealise hatred like an average Ku Kluxer or a neo-nazi.
But are they even worse. Do they not even see Kenyans as people capable of inspiring emotions such as hatred, pity etc. Are they to them, commodities or robots who can be switched off in an efficient manner without fuss.
The upper class brits, or a better description, Normans are certainly lustful and materialistic. Oppression was just business to get what they wanted, it was not a spiritual crusade. Hence the lack of triumphalism and SS NAZI aesthetic, and the Omerta of silence when it all ended.
9. C. of V. | April 15th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Dear War Nerd,
I am seriously getting the impression that Africa was an earthly paradise before the white man colonized it, and would have remained earthly paradise without the colonization.:)
Everybody knows the Brits are hypocrite bastards, but all this is good for now is to again promote white guilt and so push forward multiculuralism in Great Britain.
Not as if a multicultural society is better: multicultural USA just killed recently more than one million people in Iraq, but if you listen to them, you would think all of those million died accidentally because of the bad guy terrorists in Iraq, and the Americans are grieving and shedding crocodile tears over their fate…
But regarding Mau-Mau rebellion and CI warfare, I would like to bring the activities of Major Frank Kitson to your noble attention.
10. jonnym | April 15th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
@chris, #8: What you describe is practically the dictionary definition of racism. Racism isn’t necessarily about hating other races, it’s the belief that another race is either inferior to your own, or so different from yours that you can’t deal with them on any level — therefore unworthy of equal treatment, in either case.
11. DoesNotMatter | April 15th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
The Brits are nasty bastards…. nasty! You Yanks are amateurs at running empires. You do not have the cold blooded ruthlessness to run an empire.
I am amazed how every one believes that the Brits were the nicest Europeans. That we Indians should be grateful that it was the Brits that got us and not the French. Hell! Even many Indians believe this Garbage. Can you do that Yanks? Can you get the Iraqis to believe that thank god They got invaded by Y’all instead of some other people. I doubt it. Such is British Propaganda
anybody with an ounce of sense can figure out that you don’t get an empire by being nice and cleaning the kid’s ass every time he shits. The bigger your empire, the nastier you need to be. And you need to be a master of propganda. Hear that Goebbels? You should have taken lessons from them Brits. Common sense people! You don’t get an empire by singing Kumbaya by the fire. you got to be nasty….nasty like the Brits. And you should have no doubts. None.
the brits were having their doubting moments in WW1 and WW2. But you Damned Yanks had to go bail out their ass in both those wars. So those smug bastards can continue feeling superior to everyone else. Why did you morons do it? How much I would have loved to see those smug nasty bastards sink. And the Brits ahve only contempt for Americans. contempt! you hear that Yanks! They have contempt for you. Why contempt? Because a crook knows he is a crook and has contempt for anyone who posts bail for them. And now you are going to pay for helping those smug Brits.
12. EuroTrip | April 15th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Nice article WarNerd. Exposes the limeys for the double dealing, rotten teethed, soulless, peat bog ghouls they always were.
Now how about that article on the Mongols?
13. senorpogo | April 15th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
“…they were fleeing violence, many to neighbouring Liberia”.
Heh. You’re in a bad spot if renting a quiet place in Monrovia is a desireable altenative.
14. John Figler | April 15th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
(Slowly) Improving…
Never go too far away from Africa, and XX century War Nerd!
15. PT Barnum | April 15th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
In case you haven’t noticed, the British Empire has been in decline for a hundred years.
16. Mr. 5 | April 15th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Brilliant article. My favorite line:
Logic is not healthy for empires and other spreading things.
Made me sit back and think for a moment.
17. Armin Tanzarian | April 15th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
#7 “No one ever accepts history” There might be an exception: Spain in South America. Every single essay, text book or even movie about the colonization always stress the ill treatment to the natives. And I am talking about Spanish cultural production.
It may happen because, as a third class country, we do not care that much about ancient glories, but still is something odd in the history of empires that as soon as 1517 A.D. people like the priest Bartolome de las Casas were denouncing the abuses to the indians. The result was the “New Laws”, dated 1542 (fifty years after Columbus first arrival to America), which gave some legal protection to the indians.
18. Eshan | April 15th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Thanks for great article.
You may find this cartoon (PR material) interesting.
http://cairsweb.llgc.org.uk/images/ilw1/ilw2003.gif
19. altekeks | April 15th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
You really seem to have fallen for the “omnipotence of the imf” conspiracy theory, like so many poor antiglobalization suckers. It’s a pity since your writings are usually quite accurate and frank. This issue, however, chews on your credibility.
20. Xenophon's Mama | April 15th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
@franc black
-Dolan wrote a neat article on why Orwell was a huge faggot. He’s laughing at you right now for comparing him to Orwell. http://exiledonline.com/big-brothers-george-orwell-and-christopher-hitchens-exposed/
21. Filler | April 15th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
@15
Holy shit, really?????????!?!??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!??!?!!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!!??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
22. AS | April 15th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Wow, the last two posts have been huge eye-openers for me. How the hell the brits manage to sell an image so effectively of gentle colonialists?
23. Timmy | April 15th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
This 300,000 number sounds inflated to me. I know Dolan hates Brits, but when looking at deaths in this sort of war/insurgency situation, it’s a form of blindness to latch onto the highest estimate you can find – which this 300000 number is, and is by a long shot. My bet is the number is juiced real good.
Further, my cursory googling on Mau Mau along with the 300000 number keeps pulling up the name Daniel Goldhagen, a former Harvard prof who wrote a book called ‘Hitler’s Willing Executioners’ and it was so over the top with Germanophobia/Goy-o-phobia that it made even jewish historians gag. And that’s not easy! Seems Daniel’s plying his trade again. I’m not surprised
24. allen | April 15th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
There’s another aspect to the whole “remembering past atrocities” psychology, beyond “guilt”. Some people just can’t stand hypocrisy. Nothing is more irritating than being sanctimoniously lectured by an emporer with no clothes.
Yeah bad shit happens in the world no matter who is in charge, but please do not try to tell me Winston Churchill, for example, is a fucking hero when he was a) A terrible and and criminally irresponsible military leader in WW1 and 2) A brutally racist and inhuman war criminal if you look at his pre-ww2 record (and even his WW2 record to be honest). And people want to fucking crucify SHERMAN?!
I can accept that Churchill was a necessary guy, and in the proper context I might even be able to summon some respect for him (though personally I think he was a “word-historical” giver of reasonably decent speeches and little else) but that’s all.
I can’t do the Straussian collective mythologizing about the “nation” and its “heros”, or even be a member of a knowing elite that just sort of pretends and tries to make the masses believe the B.S.
I just fucking hate lies … the idea of intentionally venerating bullshit.
It has got nothing to do with “guilt”.
25. jim | April 15th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Africa produces an inferior culture because of the inferior human stock — average IQ about 70-75. The only time they’ve risen up to something approaching civilization is when conquered by europeans. Witness how quickly Zimbabwe and South Africa are descending back into barbarism now that they’ve kicked out the whites.
26. Lord Viscount Sir British of the South East British Royal Britishers | April 15th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
I was going to try to post a comment here that turned the tables on Dr. Dolan in which I would conceal the rage and offence this article caused my degenerate little English heart by means of pretending that I pitied Dolan. It was almost convincing, until I took my feeble comment one cliche too far by concluding that actually it is Dolan who has become the very Beigeist he once attacked. Yes, I know, it’s unconvincing and feeble, the ol’ “turning the tables on the critic” strategy, even I realized it when I finished it. So I beg the editors to please edit this comment, and I beg the Lord to please, please make me anything but English. What are we good for after all, besides playing the second banana to the American Empire? Oh right, we still narrate nature shows better than anyone. And yes, it hurts every time we’re called out for all the atrocities we committed–precisely because we’re too feeble to hurt anyone anymore, unless we do our murdering whilst hiding behind the Americans’ backs. We’re a national has-been. It’s only a shame that the Pakistanis can’t breed the English into extinction faster than they already are managing to do.
27. Black Monk | April 15th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
RE: Ivory Coast – yup, another example of the West participating in the persecutions of Christians. From Iraq, to Indonesia, to Kosovo and now Ivory Coast.
RE: Kenya Oswald spengler wrote about 100 years ago that only a diseased or injured person focuses on one’s functioning rather than just taking action.
28. Fissile | April 15th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
“A new report from the International Rescue Committee aid agency says alarming numbers of women and girls have also been raped, sexually assaulted, beaten and harassed by armed men as they were fleeing violence, many to neighbouring Liberia.”
Things really need to be….um…..interesting in your ‘hood to make Liberia look good.
Have a look at Liberia today…one of America’s early attempts at empire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQSjyYRTDVM
29. Dave Bog | April 15th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
@23
You’re right, the 300,000 figure was Elkins own crude calculation based on misreading census data. The 300,000 figure is most likely a 6 to 15 fold inflation on the real numbers killed by the British, more likely in the 20,000 – 50,000 range. Still far more killed by the British than the numbers killed by the Mau Mau, including the couple of thousand black Kenyans the Mau Mau killed that Dolan didn’t mention as well as the few white settlers. No doubt the British in Kenya made every effort to crush the Mau Mau uprising often using whatever brutal means they desired, but Elkins seems far to close to the “Brits bad/Mau Mau good” white guilt crowd for me.
30. allen | April 15th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Boo hoo they’re making me feel “white guilt”; nothing is more obnoxious than the petulant fat-child whining of the privileged.
So what if the Brits were scum in this instance, and thought that most colonized people were inconvenient wogs taking up prime real-estate? Why do you need to feel “guilty” about it anyway?
Even if the Mau Mau were not saints, would that justify what the Brits did? Few colonized people didn’t react violently to the situation at some point; in fact provoking, and then responding to, atrocities was a standard colonial practice.
Israel does it in Palestine even now; squeeze the fuckers hard enough and some hot head or other is going to do something stupid, and then you splash it all over the news and you move in. Rinse, repeat.
31. Judah Maccabee | April 15th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
Hey War Nerd,
Idi Amin apparently was deployed to Kenya when he was still in the King’s African Rifles during the Mau Mau Uprising. I’m pretty sure he inhereted his savage methods from killing Kikuyus for sport.
32. Bullet | April 15th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Aye, War Nerd the Odone bitch is a real stormer. I saw her on Question Time the other night- the bitch could barely utter a coherent sentence. I’ve seen retarded neds and schemies do much better. I was almost embarrassed for her as the other panelist waited for her to finish talking with looks of puzzled boredom on their faces- Proof you don’t need to be smart to write in Telegraph, I think she’s somebody’s cousin.
33. Judah Maccabee | April 15th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
@ Jim
Has it ever occurred to that you Africans have very low IQ test scores compared to Europeans or East Asians because most of them are agrarian, illiterate peasants or have very poor public education which very few people can get access to? Also, consider the academic success of Africans who leave Africa and come to the West to become educated?
You blaming “low IQ” for Africa’s problems is hilarious. Most of Africa’s problems can be related to colonialism/megalomania of their post-independence rulers.
34. dfasd | April 15th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
I think that War Nerd’s assumed hatred of britain is not exactly hatred, but is just him calling attention to the Brits as nasty buggers, instead of the normal Hitler Stalin blah blah herp derp
35. Matt Payne | April 16th, 2011 at 12:51 am
Great article. Arguments are for fun between friends, or for show between politicians. They don’t decide anything. Power is everything.
36. qwerty | April 16th, 2011 at 1:03 am
Some more background on IC and Outtara from a couple of days ago:
http://craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/04/truth-and-ivory-coast/
37. C. of V. | April 16th, 2011 at 2:05 am
I am seriously getting the impression: racism is a bad thing by default? Load of bollocks.
So, soon as every white man curbs his inner Adolf and become anti-racist, liberal and multiculutal, all the non-white people will feel love for us? The world will become earthly paradise?
This is NWO social engineering, fucking with your head about your basic human instincts and loyalities.
Not being racist will mean opening up our ranks for non-whites hating us like fuck. It is unimportant if their hatred is justified because of colonisation or whatnot, they hate us, and no amount of white guilt will change it.
The only result of being non racist will be the following:
Africa belongs to the Africans, Asia belongs to the Asians, Europe belongs to Everybody.
But you know what? Be stupid, be anti-racist, be multikultural, sign over your house and hand over your daughter to those beautiful persons of color, then hang yourselves in the attic to atone for all the evil racist deeds your predecessors committed. Do it now!
38. bobob | April 16th, 2011 at 2:34 am
It is always a little weird to hear Americans getting all self righteous about colonialism.
Yes ok, my ancestors sat at home and supported a regime that killed and stole its way across large parts of the world. Guilty as charged.
Your ancestors are the ones who did the killing and stealing, and liked it so much they never came home.
39. rdc75 | April 16th, 2011 at 3:18 am
Gary, you’ve got a huge double-standard going there. You complain that the British don’t indulge in enough self-hatred for past sins, but any non-White murders, mass-rapes and genocides, it’s all forgotten the moment the blood dries on the machete.
What about the mass-slavery of Arabs which was larger and lasted longer than the transatlantic slave trade? Forgotten. What about the Haiti genocide? Forgotten. What about the 30000+ white women raped by blacks last year in the US? Forgotten, just like every year.
I’m quite sick of that double-standard.
It was Whites who abolished slavery. It was Whites who put defeated peoples on reservations instead of killing them all. Where are the White reservations on Haiti?
Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.
40. observer | April 16th, 2011 at 4:13 am
The real line is “I am not having it,” and that’s how real empires deal with the stuff they can’t stomach or hide. They just ain’t having it.
reminds me of several websites I frequent for cheap laughts, such as Feministe
41. Independentmuff | April 16th, 2011 at 7:10 am
I remember at school in the late 90s researching the end of colonialism and telling my dad (born 1929, UK, teenager during WW2 – basically the perfect age to get the whole Saviour against Fascism thingy indoctrinated) and he refused to believe only 32 colonials had been killed during the Mau Mau um, “rebellion”? “uprising”? war for independence? Anyway…
Oh and actually the Brits did kind of wipe out the Tasmanian Aborigines. Aussie, aussie, aussie, oi, oi, oi…
42. Luis Felipe | April 16th, 2011 at 9:22 am
@5
Hey Jack, what about a Telegraph commenter using the same ad hominem as you? What a coincidence.
@25
Obvious troll is etc.
43. floodingupeconomics | April 16th, 2011 at 10:35 am
YES!!
This is EPIC WAR NERD. Back again Dolan!! Excellent.
44. Timur The Lame | April 16th, 2011 at 10:42 am
I used to be curious who the original War Nerd was. These marathon blogs are either Ames or a third party. It does not seem to be Dolan.
I don’t mind them spiking the readership by bringing back a popular feature, they are underpaid for what they do and all but the usual goofball readers that fall for it become irritating.
Read the original WN fools and tell me that something is not right. Ames is a suspect because the article excerpts are his style.
Also IMF issues would not have been WN’s bailiwick.
At least that Derp twerp is gone.
Cheers-
45. Jack | April 16th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Don’t worry, there is eternal justice. Every African guy in England I met is pounding some English Rose with blond hair, blue eyes.
Revenge is a dish best served in a few decades.
46. C. of V. | April 16th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Jack (45),
If I understand it correctly, the main driving force behind the colonialism of the British Empire, was that British girls were and are so effing ugly that the young males wanted to get away from the island as far as they could, and meet and fuck young women on far away continents, while they are young and it still matters.
(White women mating with niggers are called white trash, though.)
47. mesclun | April 16th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Everyone who liked this read John Gray, Straw Dogs.
48. Jesse the Scout | April 16th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
After many years I can finally answer that trite question when it pops up: “Why are people mean?”
Because evolution favors a functional insanity and myriad layers of psychological defenses which allow individuals to murder, rape, and steal without guilt or the discomfort of recognizing hypocritical behavior. If you can rape with a smile on your face you’re golden as far as nature is concerned. The ability to reason objectively runs counter to survival. You won’t spread your seed as fast and far, you can’t mercilessly devour the resources of others and feel perfectly justified, you can’t rationalize anything which is to your advantage when its ridiculous on a logical level.
People are mean because mean works and thinking’s for losers who work to feed the wolves.
49. super390 | April 16th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
#37: So since I’m half-Asian, then in your ideal Apartheidland I’m of no value and should just kill myself? I mean, it’s not like a person of mixed race could rise to the top or accomplish something of value, right?
And to all the WN-bashers, his problem is not with the British Empire’s brutality, but its hypocrisy in using its (former) wealth and media power to sanitize its image. War Nerd wants his barbarians honest, willing to embrace the consequences of being seen for what they are. Which turned out not to be a very sound strategy for Germany, but you can tell he admires it.
50. JamesP | April 17th, 2011 at 2:20 am
Here’s the thing; using dodgy numbers like Elkins’ only damages the anti-imperialist case, because it allows scumshit apologists like Ferguson to point to the (legitimate) problems with her figures rather than concentrating on the atrocities committed. 30,000 Kikuyu dead is a fucking disgrace *anyway.*
(Elkins also underplays the violence committed by Mau Mau against Christian converts, which far outstripped the killings of white settlers. My godfather grew up in the bush being hunted by both the British *and* Mau Mau.)
Dolan also lets his faux-Irish chip-on-shoulder affect him badly on this one; Elkins’ book got considerable coverage in the British media, and there’s been several fictional works dealing with it, like Adam Foulds’ THE BROKEN WORD.
51. C. of V. | April 17th, 2011 at 2:29 am
super390, (49)
No, you totally misunderstand.
So, an asian girl(or man) and a white man(or girl) fell in love and God blessed their love with a child, yourself? Love sees no color, I hope they will live long so they will see their little mixed grandchildren grow up, too.
What I am talking about in reality is the anti-white brainwashing of MSM and NWO, about white christian people losing their racial identity in a Multicultural pipe-dream, and make no mistake, only white christian heterosexual males are forced to give up their pride and identity in this brave new world, they are the ones who can not pursue thier own interest without punishment or without being labelled a hater.
I am against all kind of Social Engineering promising us an Earthly Paradise, because this promised Multicultural earthly paradise is just communist internationalism in new disguise.
52. Tomarse | April 17th, 2011 at 5:42 am
30000+ white woman raped by blacks in the US last year? Sure dude, you believe that damn lie (i.e. statistic), makes it easier to justify your own bigoted demagogy.
rdc75, it must kill you that if percentage of population was based on total penisage of each ethnic group, you’d be in a minority (other than white supremicists). Despite it being disconcertingly stereotypical, dismissive of the entire female population, it’s at least as accurate and relevant as the stats you’ve stated…
Must be, how else do you explain jungle fever??
I HATE Illinois Nazis
53. bud | April 17th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Sad Beagle? SAD BEAGLE!!! Dude I laughed so hard I almost crapped my pants.
54. aleke | April 17th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Hahahaha oh my god, lookat these whining reactionary liberals (white nationalists) trying to fend off the other liberals (white suprematicists) and ever-present darkies. Tisk tisk, that’s some pathetic stuff, looks like the Soviet Union’s collapse really caused some seriously massive education crises in the first world. Too bad, it used to be these imperial decadent morons were quite cunning and smart at times, but I guess all them fatty foods finally went to their heads. Doesn’t stop the fantasy, oh no, if anything the fantasies have grown exponentially, some of these softheads really seem to believe their clueless masters to the bone, which is why there’s no future in em.
That explains the rampant nihilism articulated by some of the smarter ones, but nihilism in our society is the most popular cultural product (seinfeld, a show about nothing! Simpsons? No ‘truth’ is spared). So what does this mean? The Empire is collapsing, this is what populations must feel in their last gasps, paralyzed cynicism. Don’t be mistaken, this Empire is as British, French, German, Spanish as it is white, American, stupid. Its truly the Empire of dollars, petrodollars, yen, euros, rubles. The first world, it truly exists, and the multiculturalism is just a convenient decadent facade, the founding lie, it is much much more about cash money and value extracted from the wretched of the earth, with brown intermediateries to expediate the process and mask the truth. Obama, merchant of death for all his so_called race.
The solution? Arm the dispossessed, the rich & powerful have become weak, stupid and incompetent. The white ‘race’ is of course lacking vigour, strength, and vision. For all you cowardly whites playing with your gadget, you can take solace in remembering that ‘white’ is way more cultural than biological, and that no one hates you more than yourselves. And for good reason, you’re disgusting at this point, sloppy monsters. The only hope is to throw down your gadgets that make you stupid slaves, and fight for equality. Hitler’s dream of saving you is over, you may as well throw your lot in with the rest of humanity, there’s no future for you as masters of the world, its for your own good. That don’t mean nice lil liberal bullshit, white guilt is just a mask for White Man’s burden. There’s no NWO, its always been the OWO, just because your masters finally started to liquidate you doesn’t mean that it wasn’t inscribed from the very beginning into the formula. Stop being such whiny husks and start rebuilding yourself as a disciplined, smart type.
As for articles like these, keep em up, there’s use in showing the cowards their cowardice. I relish poking morons in their smug stupor, really the best fun you can have on first world net.
55. anon | April 19th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
The Brits were ruthless and excellent propagandists. The Nazis had nothing on them. Over the past 400 years (as far as I could find), India’s population has never declined except during British occupation. Their population was around 300mm around 1860 and declined to about 250mm in 1920. India’s population started to recover after Brits begin to leave, reaching 1860 numbers again around 1935.
Almost of century of quiet genocide and the Brits still portray themselves as saviors. Bloody brilliant!
56. Chris Connolly | April 19th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
“….they campaigned for £10 million compensation for 650 Kenyan women, alleged to be victims of a “mass rape” by British soldiers. Some of the claims, however, proved flimsy under scrutiny.”
I know how the poor British feel here. Its like if on a first date I tell you I’ve been accused of raping 10 different women, but explain to you not to worry, because _some_ of them are really flimsy cases.
57. Jimmy D | August 22nd, 2011 at 2:42 am
And the difference between the Brits’ actions in Kenya and the treatment dished out by your ancestors to the Native American is ….?
Anyway, this article was more Dolan than War Nerd. Each persona should stick to his own persona – otherwise neither works properly.
58. matt | October 6th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Jimmy D
We gave them casino’s?
Wait, sorry, we LET them pay for their own casinos.
Some of the time.
When we allow it in a particular state.
…and occasionally toss a few coins in their direction.