WN Blog 18: RPG vs. BMW

The War Nerd / April 7, 2011

By Gary Brecher

Which’ud Ya Rather Have, A BMW…

A couple of the comments on yesterday’s blog were about comparing the RPG-7 and the M2 Carl Gustav Recoilless Rifle. It’s the kind of question I used to love when I talked hardware, but it’s the kind of question that made me stop talking hardware, too.

The way somebody usually asks this is like, “Which would you rather have, an RPG-7 or a Carl Gustav?” or “Which is better at stopping tanks/anti-personnel/penetrating bunkers?

Reminds me a lot of standing at the bus stop watching cars go by, waiting with other kids and somebody’d say, “Which would you rather have, a BMW or a Jag?” There are a lot of answers to that one, but I’d always say, “Either one—where’s the keys?” And they’d stop talking to me because I ruined the whole game.

And then I grew up and that turned into a fulltime job, popping those hardware nerds’ dream balloons. There are so many problems with these imaginary comparisons I don’t know where to start. Let’s take that word “you,” as in “which would you rather have?” Well, who’s “you”? Are we talking about one of those fairy tales where the leprechaun takes you to a magical place where there’s a buffet table with Carl Gustavs and RPG-7s stretching all the way to the horizon. But as long as we’re in Leprechaun Land, why not stock the buffet with the newer RPGs, RPG-22, say, or even 29, and the Israeli Gil?

You see where I’m going: back to the bus stop, no BMW, no Jag. Where you, the “you” that’s actually here, actually are. Imagine you’re on that same bus stop you were on at age 13 and you suddenly need an antitank weapon. Who knows, maybe you’re having in-law problems or you want to blast a hole in a bank wall or you’ve decided to start your own guerrilla movement. Where would you get your Carl Gustav? Or your RPG-7, or anything else?

…Or the RPG–It’s reliable transportation at least!

Yeah, I like that, it’s a better way to think about this stuff: You’re standing at that same bus stop and you need an antitank weapon. Whucha gonna due?

First thing I’d do is lower my expectations, away from antitank weapons, because they’re hard to get in this country, and anybody who says he’s got one is probably getting a check from Uncle Sam and has a nice little family in the Witness Protection Program. Good way to end your guerrilla movement in one step, asking around for stuff like that.

You have to start with what’s easy to get. And in this country, that’s firearms and cars. You’d have to ask yourself, why’d I need this antitank shit? What can I do with cars and guns and careful planning instead?

America’s got its own rules about weapons, just like any other place. We think it’s weird they sell RPGs at the open market in Kandahar, but they probably think it’s weird how we can buy machine guns but not AT weapons. So you start with cheap, easy to find automatic weapons like Loughner’s 31-round Glock (and excuse me before you tell me it’s not technically automatic—31 rounds in a few seconds is auto, and the fact that you have to pull the trigger 31 times doesn’t change that fact—in fact it’s a pleasure on its own, like a stick shift).

Lots of ways to get some of those. Gun shows in wacko states like Nevada. Show up and talk some Second-Amendment shit and you’ll walk out with serious mayhem in your shopping bag and no written record at all. If that’s too conspicuous for you, try burglary. Hit a rich neighborhood in someplace like Arizona and you’d probably get a good weapon every second house.

Or just buy the damn things. Take advantage of the local availability. If the local rules say you can buy a 31-round Glock and tell the man it’s for home defense, then do it, take advantage of the customs. Just make sure you get standard-caliber weapons. You don’t want some CSI Fed digging odd slugs out of your first kills.

Now you’ve got small arms—but they don’t look so small when someone’s pointing one at you, telling you to open a door. And that’s what small arms are good for: getting people to open doors. If you really, really gotta have your antitank weapon, you can use your small arms and some trickery to get it. There are a million ways, all involving having somebody in your group become a cop, date a cop, join the service, and so on. People, not hardware, that’s what it’s about. Think of all the ways you can work some metal fatigue on the bank, or armory, you want to get into: there’s sex—sex makes people do dumb shit, so you got any sexy volunteers in your groups willing to hang out in cop- or GI bars? Money works; use those small arms to take it and a whole lot of people will suddenly open doors for you. And if all that fails, small arms work as well as a Hellfire when you’re pointing one at somebody’s forehead.

But I’d say, why do you need that little rocket tube? They’re not going to come for you in tanks, and if they do you’re through anyway. You need to stay light and hard to find. Look at what my own California boyz’n’girlz did back in the hippie days, the SLA, and they just had a few standard firearms.

I was arguing this online with somebody and they said something like, “I just wanted to talk antitank weapons, I wasn’t serious about starting a war.” Well, that’s the whole problem, off in dreamland.

That’s why it’s better to focus on real wars than these fantasy games. It’s just more interesting when you put it in a real place. Of course, it’s not anywhere near as easy. So the weapon you like better ends up being the one you can get.

Guerrillas usually get RPG-7s because there are millions of them around, they last a long time, and the Russians never paid very close attention to inventory control. You can buy one at the market in some parts of the Middle East and Africa. The price depends on age and quality. The newer RPG models are a lot more expensive than the basic old 7 line, but you get what you pay for. A lot of those 7s are old, older than a lot of the people reading this. They’re tough, but they’re not magic; they rust, the wires get bumped, they fail or blow up on you.

But at least you can get them. The Carl Gustav is a Swedish product. The Swedes do a fair bit of arms dealing, they’re not the squeaky-clean types they pretend to be, but they haven’t flooded all the hot countries with their armaments as much as the Russians have. I’ve been bouncing around online trying to find the price of a Carl Gustav, and it’s not even listed as far as I can see. You know what that means: (A), They cost a lot; and (B) It’s like they say about yachts: “If you have to ask, you can’t afford one,” because somebody will TELL somebody you asked and that’s a bad idea. Look, the Feds used to put ads for full auto conversions in the back of Popular Mechanix, at least everybody I knew believed that’s who was behind those ads. So just don’t ask about antitank, make do with these crazy firearms that are flooding the country. They work. Use what’s there.

For a guerrilla group, getting that first level of weaponry isn’t about shopping for the top of the line, it’s about grabbing what you can without attracting too much attention. Weaponry in general isn’t anywhere near as important as morale and counterintelligence. An urban guerrilla group with three serious, disciplined members is better than one with a hundred drunk loudmouths. And an urban guerrilla group with all the weapons in the world—and an informer in the ranks—isn’t as strong as one with two kitchen knives, a ballpeen hammer, and people who don’t talk, don’t drink, don’t get picked up on crap like shoplifting (that’s what got the SLA caught), don’t have a record, and aren’t off window-shopping for AT hardware with the leprechauns.

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1. Trevor | April 7th, 2011 at 11:00 am
This is just what I’ve been saying for years. I’m in Virginia where you can’t throw a brick without hitting some dumbass who spends way more time stroking a weapon than stroking a woman. His reasons are always the same NRA bullshit line about “home defense” and yadda yadda but when he trots out the “protection from government” line, I always have to laugh. You want to play insurgent, you don’t buy some nickel-plated magnum like a Dirty Harry wannabe. You buy a damn chemistry book.
2. Pierre | April 7th, 2011 at 11:17 am
that’s real war nerd stuff, thanks.
3. Peter | April 7th, 2011 at 11:33 am
The thing about using guns to acquire cash to acquire antitank weapons (or, you know, something actually useful in this theoretical American scenario, like snitches and money-launderer fees) is that robbing banks will call almost as much attention from the cops as buying RPGs will. Although I guess in this case it would be local cops who won’t know or give a fuck about your agenda, who would then throw you into an overcrowded state prison, which, if you weren’t caught with drugs, might have you out in a few years… and if your guys are smart and tough, they might have made good contacts.
That said, I wonder if robbing drug dealers, ala Omar in The Wire, would work, or if that’s just David Simon throwing us all a Robin Hood bone. Not that I know a hell of a lot about crime but it sounds like something you’d want to be damned careful about.
4. Lance Hunter | April 7th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Wow, combine the end of this article with the assassination post from a few days back, and it really seems you’re shooting for logs of your blog to be included as evidence in the trial of the next nutjob “patriot” militia retard goes on some rampage.
5. abc123 | April 7th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Great article.
6. abc123 | April 7th, 2011 at 11:55 am
The M3 version costed USD 10,802 in 2001. The M3 is the newest lightweight carbon fibre version that can take longer rounds. The M1 will cost significantly less.
A decent condition RPG-7 is said to cost 1000 dollars.
7. Erik | April 7th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
We had an awesome guerrilla group here in Denmark – of all places. The Blekinge Street Gang.
They were communists, of course, and affiliated with the PFLP. I wish you would write a column on them, because they deserve some press, they were in a league all by themselves. No showing blabbing off to impress the hippie hang-arounds, every action meticulously planned for months, just like in Ocean’s Eleven.
For twenty years they jacked banks, post offices, armored cars and military depots, sending the goodies to the Pals.
Now, here’s the interesting part. The Danish Police Intelligence Service had them under surveillance for more than a decade and, in connivance with the French, actively hindered the regular police in their investigation.
But during their last, spectacular coup, they had some Swiss amateur on board, a policeman got killed and they were behind bars soon after.
And that’s the funny thing about guerrilla groups. If you know of one, the worst thing you can do is arrest them. You keep tabs on them instead, build files and compile lists. Arresting them is the last resort, something you only do if you loose track of that big ANFO-truck bomb they’ve been preparing for action.
Only the Danish Police Intelligence bolloxed up, they didn’t figure that a bunch of pros would kill a cop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blekinge_Street_Gang
8. Marion | April 7th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
18 days straight you’ve made my day.
9. Erik | April 7th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Oh, yes. The reason I started on the Blekinge Street Gang is, that they stole some Carl Gustavs from a Swedish military depot. At the time, the Israelis had devastated Beirut and PFLP needed weapons badly. The gang had hidden two CG’s in a surfboard, but the shipment never got sent.
10. solfish | April 7th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Cheers. I don’t see how a middle-aged American blogger’s fantasies about armed revolt are any more related to praxis than the hardware geekery of adolescents. When the most significant homegrown guerrilla group is the fucking SLA, which was a joke from 40 years ago… That said, semiauto .50 cals are still legal for nonfelons and will fuck up anything short of a bradley or abrams.
11. NeonCat | April 7th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
If I recall correctly (and I could be misinformed), in Hungary in ’56 the Hungarians would put pie tins on the ground painted to look like mines, then when the tanks would stop throw Molotov cocktails on them from the rooftops. Granted, this will only work in an urban environment, but if you are in the country and have the time and energy, dig trenches and cover them with enough material to keep a person or maybe a car from falling through to the tread-busting spikes below. If you do this at a choke point you can use other methods to deal with the following vehicles.
Anyway, I believe the Russians decided the best way to deal with the problem was just to shoot the buildings along the line of advance. Clever is good, but ruthlessness can be very effective.
12. Jesse the Scout | April 7th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Reminds of when war nerds start arguing over which ancient/medieval army would beat which. Armies specialize for their environments, political situation, and a other unglamorous factors. Drop Mongols in western Europe and their methods don’t work. The Roman army was adapted more for moving quickly over raw punch due to the size of the territory it had to defend. It’s comparing apples and chicken wings, to even ask the question you have to have a very specific scenario which would inevitably favor one side over the other.
13. Fissile | April 7th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
I agree with everything with one exception, those 30 round (aftermarket) Glock mags ain’t all that.
There are two types of high capacity magazines in this country: 1)Mags made by the same people who made the gun(or their subcontractors). 2)After market makers. Most of the after market high-caps are garbage…irrespective of what gun they a made for.
It’s my understanding that Glock never offered 30+ round factory magazines for sale to the US civilian market. The reason why crazy Jared didn’t do even more damage than he did is because his gun jammed, and some quick thinking bystanders tackled him while he was trying to clear his weapon. He was using (as luck would have it) one of those crappy aftermarket things.
However, you are correct, aimed semi-auto fire is usually more effective than full auto — not counting real belt-fed MG’s that are mounted on a tripod, but those are not really suited to urban guerrilla operations anyway.
You also overlooked one weapon that is easily available to US based guerrilla groups: IED’s. Where would someone purchase an IED in the US? Nowhere. You don’t buy them, you make them. IED’s are perfect for the DIYer urban guerrilla, and I’m not talking about match-head pipe bombs either. For example, straight nitroglycerin is more powerful than C4. Yes, nitro is not as versatile as C4, but you can’t make real C4 in your kitchen, regardless of what keyboard commandos will tell you. Nitro, on the other hand, only requires 4 chemicals. Two of those chemicals are available at the supermarket. One of the chemicals is available at Pep Boys or Autozone. The fourth is a bit trickier, but not impossible. Nitro was first manufactured in the mid 19th century, with the crude chemicals and equipment available at that time. That fact in itself speaks volumes about how easy it is to make nitro. Provided that you passed high school chemistry, and don’t have a terminal case of the shakes, you can do it.
So why no homegrown American guerrilla movement lately? We’ve got a big population and lots of pissed off people. At least some of those pissed off people are smart and resourceful. Suitable weapons can be bought, stolen or made. So what’s the problem? The problem is that American’s who would be guerrillas can no longer afford to do so.
Americans no longer have any support from tribal, ethnic or extended family groups. Unlike most third world countries, being a guerrilla takes a lot of money in the US. Ahmed and his buddies are not worried about paying the rent, mortgage, property tax bill, cable bill, water bill, dental bill, etc. Being a full time worker drone, and part time guerrilla, is not really workable.
On the other hand, why would the rich become guerrillas or fund guerrilla movements? Being rich in the US is a pretty damn good. Why would a guy with lots of expensive cars and top shelf poon through all that away? As things stand now, a real guerrilla movement in the USA is just not possible.
14. postman | April 7th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
The thing I hated most as infantryman back then was learning the parameters of the military hardware. That much millimetre, that calibre, technical details and all that stuff.
If it goes boom and the enemy drops, that is all I needed to know as far as I was concerned.
I would choose waging war with a panga over an SAM missile on any given day. It is easy to remember the parameters of your panga, and you do not have to calculate trajectory, starting angle and whatnot, you just have swing it at the enemy guy. Beats modern warfare IMO…
15. Eddie | April 7th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
I would say avoid weapons all together. Being seen with something that could be recognized as a weapon in an urban environment is asking for trouble.
Use what all good guerilla groups have come to rely on, namely the IED. It can be made to look like anything, it does not require aiming and if you have the skills to make a shaped charge(EFP) then you can take out anyone with it. Even if this anyone is traveling in an up-armored mercedes at 100 miles/hour.
As an example of how effective this method is consider the brilliant hit on Alfred Herrhausen(German Banker and Chairman of Deutsche Bank) on the 30th of november 1989.
The attackers placed a 20 kg bomb in the saddle bag of a kids bicycle. The bomb was to be detonated when the car in which the banker was traveling in interrupted an infra red beam as it passed next to the bicycle. The attacker simply waited in the near by forrest for the bankers three car convoy to pass by and turned on the device as the first car in the convoy passed a predetermined point. The beam was switched on and detonated the explosives as soon as the second car in which the banker was traveling in interrupted the beam.
Constructed using the Misznay-Schardin mechanism a copper plate was deformed and propelled towards the car by the force of the explosion at two kilometers per second, easily penetrating the armored Mercedes, severing his legs and causing him to bleed to death.
Simple, effective and more or less fool proof. No one was ever charged with the murder but it is widely suspected that it was carried out by members of the Red Army Fraction.
As long as no materials used in the construction of the device are traceable back to the team this method more or less guarantees anonymity.
An added bonus is that the one of the team members required need to be trained in physics. Always good to have a brainy guy in any team. Modern guerillas need far more brains then brawls anyway.
If you need to go deep, you need to go EFP.
* Technical specifications available online. Materials sold separately.
16. Eddie | April 7th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
If you speak German then check out the film made about the attack.
Black Box BRD. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283941/
17. postman | April 7th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Dear War Nerd,
If they come at you with tank or APC, it does not necessarily mean you are as good as dead.
In 1956 Budapest, during the Hungarian revolution, Molotov coctails in the hands of my heroic young countrymen were doing the job just fine against the Soviet armoured columns.
18. Marcus McSpartacus | April 7th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
So which would you rather have: a Glock or a 1911?
19. JMM | April 7th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Ah yes, postman. And as I recall it, your heroic young countrymen did so well against the Soviet armoured columns that they managed to push them out of the country and split from the Warsaw Pact. That was in what, ’58? ’60?
20. yossarian | April 7th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
You gonna recommend more books?
21. Michal | April 7th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
I liked this article.
Also @ postman (17) – nowadays APCs and tanks are invulnerable to molotovs. I’m quite sure you can’t stop an abrams tank with one, although I suppose you could damage some of the external equipment. You’re better off just blinding the vehicles by pouring paint on them, the good thing about that is, that you get the bonus of remaining a civilian on the battlefield while you do that.
22. Michal | April 7th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
PS: Which of course probably won’t hinder some of the less weenie mililtaries from shooting you up, like the Israelis or the Russians, but being technically a civilian might just make the Canadians or whoever think twice about shooting you up.
23. DocAmazing | April 7th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
While I cannot dispute what you have said regarding the uselessness of dick-measuring comparisons between weapons that you’re never going to have access to, I did find this on Wikipedia:
Carl Gustav launchers have been seen in the hands of anti-Gaddafi forces during the 2011 Libyan uprising, the weapons either being captured or provided by defecting members of the Libyan Army.
Somebody’s driving that BMW, anyway.
24. CB | April 7th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
It’s true you can make nitro in your kitchen, and they made it in the 19th century… but a lot of people who made it then, and who tried to make it now from Anarchist’s Cookbook etc, end up blowing themselves the fuck up. Which is not my bag. It’s not just about not shaking the final product, volatile reactants plus heat equals chance for no more face and hands.
Still, definitely something to keep in mind should the need ever arise.
25. DaShui | April 7th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
A maybe deceased friend of a friend of a friend heard something about somebody whose 5th cousin met a truck driver getting wasted in a bar selling milt. ordnance he had been stealing from what he had been hauling around for the army. Don’t forget what is smuggled back from war zones as souvenirs.
26. SK | April 7th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Good read, Gary. It’s very refreshing to hear somebody talk realistically about insurgency. Most quasi-militant Libertarians I meet are typically more preoccupied with reading Molon Labe and other exercises in mental masturbation than realistic planning.
One thing that I think worth mentioning to commenters is that the sale of materials required to make explosives are usually pretty well monitored in the US. Zazi is a good example. One would have to be pretty creative to discretely manufacture explosives here in the states.
27. Soj | April 7th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
#1 Trevor is right
28. postman | April 7th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
JMM,
By 1956 October 30. we beat them so they were pulling out, to give us a chance to lynch communist cardre and hang secret police on the trees of Köztársaság sqare.
The streets were littered with burned-out T-34s. The stupid Soviets sent in armoured columns into the urban kanyons of Budapest without infantry backing…
Imre Nagy actually officially declared Hungary splitting from the Warsaw Pact in 1956.
Well, I can not deny it: the Soviets came back for a second round, that much I concede…
29. Solsys | April 7th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
The blog format isn’t working very well for all the fags who can’t handle Gary’s columns.As for me, some day I hope to taste and smell the deep colon regions of Charles Koch, but until then, I’m just going to have to suck up to my boss at my PR agency. Someone shoot me please.
30. Brendo | April 7th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
# Postman…not sure if you recall how 1956 ended…
31. bud | April 8th, 2011 at 12:33 am
That’s it right there.
32. foog | April 8th, 2011 at 1:14 am
@Jim (19)
Don’t be so rude, Jim! Hungarians have a long history of bravery in the face of overwhelming adversity.
In the 13th century, brave Hungarians stood against the Mongol hordes poised to invade Europe. The Hungarians lost and were nearly wiped out, but enough of them ran away to the mountains that the nation survived. And the Mongols didn’t get to party as hard or as far West as they wanted to. Or something.
Then, in the 16th and 17th centuries, the Ottoman Turks had their problems with the mighty Hungarians too! Granted, most Hungarians of fighting age and temperament were killed, but the Turks were so disheartened by all that pointless bloodshed that they never really managed to get much farther into Europe. And enough Hungarians ran off to the mountains during all the fighting that the nation lived on.
And then, in 1848, Hungary had perhaps its greatest moment – their revolution against the Hapsburgs. Sure they lost, but I’ll be damned if the fighting lads weren’t so brave that Hungarians still burst with pride over that particular military failure every March 15th.
And again in 1956! You can scoff if you want, but there were still enough stalwart young souls in Hungary in 1956 that they managed to hold off some pathetic fraction of Soviet forces for a little while. …Long enough for some lucky few to get the fuck outta Dodge and for the rest to be imprisoned or “disappeared”.’Tis a glorious thing though, and you are wrong to belittle it.
Of course, the well really has finally run dry. All those centuries of selectively breeding out the least hint of bravery have finally taken their toll. Sadly, after hundreds of years of terrible warfare, where the only Hungarians that lived to make more Hungarians were the cowards that ran to the hills at the first sign of trouble, all we have left are a bunch of chickenhawk loudmouth fucks like the postman, shaking their impotent little fists at imaginary Jewish bogeymen and beating their sunken chests at the entirety of the internet, one sad angry post at a time.
33. Bork bork bork | April 8th, 2011 at 1:35 am
A question sparked by postmans whine about having to learn a few numbers to anyone who’s served in any 1st world military: did you get the impression that your superiors tried to instill trust about your superior technology into you? I imagine there are some morale drills that come with being a soldier, what were those like?
34. Tim | April 8th, 2011 at 3:02 am
Finished reading your book this week, I was reading Robert McNamara’s book on Vietnam when it arrived and had to take a rest from that one as I was getting bogged down.
The War Nerd book reminds me of a cross between C.J. Chivers “The Gun” and “How I became a famous novelist” that I also read this year.
It’s a damn shame the NYTimes decided to charge so much for their subscription, I enjoyed reading the “At War” column including the blog post about the photographer who kept shooting even after he stepped on a mine.
35. Solsys | April 8th, 2011 at 4:23 am
PC vs Mac is a lame comparison, I had to correct that, by staying on the subject.
The M2 vs RPG7 question is a valid one because these weapon systems coexist in the same kind of warfare and very probably in the same areas. Just make a google image search on “technicals recoilless gun” gives you some examples of such weapons in Somalia, Angola and elsewhere.
From the ” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustav_recoilless_rifle ” page (very advanced research, you see) we learn that the M2 is present in Botswana, Burkina Faso, Ghana, Kenya, Lybia, Nigeria, Sierra
Just to add to my previous post, upon realizing that with a little research I could do better than Gary on this one.
I’m by no means a weapons expert, not pretend to be in the know. It’s just when somebody dimisses choices to be made on such grounds as being nerdy stuff and not reality-based, he’s usally off the mark in all aspects.
It’s just not my memory on seeing recoilless rifles on technicals in photographies for a long time,
Well let’s see this (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustav_recoilless_rifle )
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36. Michael | April 8th, 2011 at 4:34 am
I’ve seen full auto conversion videos on youtube.
37. Solsys | April 8th, 2011 at 4:38 am
(Damn I hate it when I have trouble with my PC lol)
Customers of said Carl Gustav recoilless rifle are Botswana, Burkina Faso, Ghana, Kenya, Lybia, Nigeria, Sierra Leone and Zambia. Just for this one brand. So the question of availability can be raised. Just because Gary didn’t do the research doesn’t mean there are countries flush only with RPGs and void of M2.
Then there is the question of the role of said recoilless rifles. I do not claim to be knowledgeable in military affairs, from what I read it seems they have their own military roles, such as infantry support (light artillery), or even bunker-busting, that RPGs can’t do.
It means these are two different weapon systems, and thus there is a legitimate question on what the mix of both systems would be, or if you can afford just one system for whatever reason, which one you choose. And these are even more valid questions when you’re a cash-strapped country / force.
All this is eluded by Gary in a bullshit argument.
I’m not even getting into the technical side, but I do I care ? If Gary writes that a semi-auto gun is auto, then it clearly doesn’t matter.
This is not “hardware nerd” stuff, it’s simply talking about the tools of the trade here. Gary would like to sound like he knows anything about hardware, when he probably just reads articles written for a broad public.
And just like this kind of litterature, which is thankfully dying with the printed press, some serious & very technical issues are being dismissed on a whim.
Now Gary, if you go to pages like this one http://www.combatreform.org/airbornewarfare.htm you can see not only “hardware porn”, but a real – and boring to most- thinking about military issues.
This guy also links to stuff with aliens and whatnot, but he’s a better war nerd, he’s really mad but really entertaining, while you’re just pompous and, well, not terrible good at what you’re intending to be.
38. Corsa | April 8th, 2011 at 7:10 am
Good one Brecher- Man over weapons always-weapons enthusiasts can’t be told this enough, but somehow they fail to hear.
Me thinks you all are riffin off a William F Owen’s article on anti tank weapons, that in itself read like a shout back at the War Nerd.. If you haven’t read Owens you need to, he makes some great points, that the war nerd rpg columns missed.
Postman- gotta concur with Michal- a Molotov cocktail won’t do too much to a post 1945 armored vehicle. Hell- I recall reading something about Tet that mentioned RPG-7’s couldn’t do too much to American Patton’s. The biggest effect was repeated RPG hits would tire the crews.
Mentioning the Hungarian revolt shows a big issue in both Ivory Coast and Libya. The Hungarians had it, they challenged Soviet power, fought and died with no support from the West. Ivory Coast is not a fight, and the Libyan rebels aren’t fighting. The Hungarians had steel, they had strength, something our Libyan friends lack. Where did Hungarians get it? War Nerd didn’t you promise us a column explaining why some have fight (game in the language of dog fighters) and some don’t?
39. franc black | April 8th, 2011 at 7:31 am
If there were a Nobel Reality Prize, Gary would make a good candidate.
Gary, your analysis and comments are very informative and thought-provoking … to the point where I think you should consider some sort of disclaimer or “Kids, don’t try this at home” message, in case some lawyer type decides to pin something on you … your info might be referenced by a pragmatic nutjob and land you in some heat. I’m just saying.
Thanks for this active blog, it’s highlight of my day, particularly your colourful social commentary.
40. F | April 8th, 2011 at 8:30 am
postman
“I would choose waging war with a panga over an SAM missile on any given day. It is easy to remember the parameters of your panga, and you do not have to calculate trajectory, starting angle and whatnot, you just have swing it at the enemy guy. Beats modern warfare IMO…”
It might be easier to use, but it will not stop the enemy airforce from turning you into ashes.
If a weapon requires extraordinary knowledge to use and it is still deployed after decades of combat experience, than it usually gives you extraordinary skills.
Otherwise, no one would use it.
41. Jack Boot | April 8th, 2011 at 8:52 am
The overthrow of the US government will have to be an inside job.
Consider: The only competent US Gov’t agency is the Pentagon; and the only competitive US manufacturers are defense contractors.
How long before some telegenic, silver-tongued general leads a fleet of V-22 Ospreys into Washington?
He’ll stride into the Senate Chamber, resplendent in his powered titanium/ceramic exoskeleton, hush the babble with a machine-gun burst into the ceiling, take the podium and announce to the world: “The politics of money – have ended! The politics of blood – have begun!”
Perhaps gales of applause will follow…
42. Whyawannaknow | April 8th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Dumbass, repeating the “you can buy guns at a gun show in the USA without ID or background check” mantra.
Any licensed dealer at a gun show does the same paperwork you’d do at a gun store. These are the vast majority of sales at any gun show.
Occasionally, in states (and shows, different organizations make their own rules) that allow it, you may have private sales. Someone brings their own gun they’d like to sell and walks around the show with a sign on their back or a flag in the muzzle saying “for sale” and you negotiate the deal with them. I’ve done it. I get ID and a filled out bill of sale from the purchaser, in case the gun shows up at a biker shoot out or meth lab ’cause the numbers will be linked to ME from the dealer I bought it from…
Go look at the sporting goods section of classified ads in your local paper. More private gun sales with less undercover ATF agents watching you do the deal.
Or, as others have mentioned- Wal-Mart, Radio Shack and NAPA stores sell IED kits for far less than even a cheap pistol. Please don’t live next door to me while you’re practicing, the learning curve can be real steep.
As mentioned, having a house and bills is not conducive to waging guerilla warfare. The bankers had best consider that as they reposess all that foreclosed property…
43. Epsilon | April 8th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Basically:
Context. It matters.
Now that’s a lesson to drill on every single First-Person Shooter kiddie and most mouth-breathers in a Second Admentment/Weapons forum.
44. Fissile | April 8th, 2011 at 10:58 am
@CB #24
I’m not talking about bullshit publications like the Anarchist Cookbook or that shit put out by “Kurt Saxon” (true name Don Sisco).
Do you wanna know how to make: nitro? RDX? PETN? Sarin? VX? Do you live near a large university? They almost certainly have a medical/engineering/chemistry library. It’s all there. Most school libraries don’t even bother to check for student ID’s provided you don’t look like an obvious freak-out.
Oh, the chemicals used for making HE are commonly used for thousands of industrial processes. These same chemicals don’t play a role in producing meth, or other similar refreshments. As a result, chemicals for HE manufacture can be acquired without too much difficulty.
45. Jonathan | April 8th, 2011 at 11:29 am
You can convert a standard 12-gauge shotgun into an anti-tank weapon, if you’ve got the requisite skills and some time to machine it. Just make some low-grain blank rounds; they’ll launch the round and ignite the rocket on the round. Mix yourself up some solid rocket propellant. You can either buy a bunch of model rocket engines, cut them open and scrape out the fuel –model rocketry is a good cover for buying the parts you’ll need– or mix two parts ammonia nitrate with one part sugar –the ammonia nitrate comes in handy for making high explosives, too. Get some good quality steel and weld yourself a rocket body –just a tube the diameter of your barrel, really. You’ll need some Trig/calculus to make a shaped charge; this step is what trips most people up. Attach the shaped charge to the rocket body. Attach fins to spin the round for stability and accuracy. Put the grenade/rocket combo into the end of the shotgun. Load one of the low-grain, black rounds into the chamber. DO NOT LOAD THE CHARGE BEFORE ATTACHING THE ROCKET. That’s a great way to end up dead. Even better than making explosives at home. When you fire the shotgun, the blank will both ignite the rocket and shoot the thing far enough away that you aren’t hit with the jet from the rocket. The warhead should be able to penetrate most lightly armored vehicles.
I feel compelled to mention, if you haven’t passed Chemistry, Trig, and Calculus before you attempt this, you’ll probably end up killing yourself. Try auditing some classes at your local community college.
46. abc123 | April 8th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Solsys: The Swedish government also recently concluded that all nations that already have the CG has an inherent right to buy all new types of ammunitions that is available for it. They say it’s part of the weapons “ammunition portfolio” and sales cannot be denied.
This might seem insignificant, but this means that brand new two-stage (recoilless launch, rocket assist flight) tandem warheads will be available. Generally that is not the case with the RPG-7, generally only single shape charge warhead RPG-rockets are available.
There are also shotgun shells for the Carl Gustav called the ADM 401.
47. postman | April 8th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
foog,
The story started a bit earlier.
Hungarians are the direct descendants of the Huns of Attila, the Scourge of God, who was feared throughout the Roman Empire. Hunor, Magor and the Wonder Deer, got it? (I bet you don’t…)
The “Hungarian adventures” in the A.D. 900s striked terror in the hearts of Christian Europe, and they were praying in their churches, and with reason: “God, save us from the arrows of the Hungarians!”
The Mongol Khan actually offered alliance to the Hungarian King to conquer Europe together, but back then we were already Christians, so he refused. If he would not do so, you all would probably have nice, almond-shaped eyes. Without western help, we stood up to them and fought. That is why the Pope named my country “Hungary, the defending shield of Europe”.
In 1456 at Nándorfehérvár (today it is called Belgrade), Hunyadi János beat the hell out of the Ottoman Turks, that is why you hear every day since the church bells ringing at 12 o’clock midday: the Pope ordered it in honoring his victory throughout Christendom.
His son, Hungarian King Hunyadi Mátyás conquered Vienna and half of Austria.
We stopped the Ottoman Turks from conquering Vienna and Western Europe in the 1500s, and we kept on fighting for 150 years, 24/7. If we did not do it, you would all be praying to Allah today.
In 1848 we beat the hell out of the Habsburg army, but the Russian Tzar intervened in 1949 with overwhelming force-and we kept on fighting till the bitter end, and surrendered only to the Russians, not to the Habsburgs. In 1867 the Habsburgs had to make a deal with us in which we achieved all the goals of 1848, except three.
Without 1956 the Sovietunion would probably be still standing, and the western communist parties could still seduce the westerners to vote them into power and so commit suicide, but after 1956 they could not claim they were for representing the working masses.
Now, if you did not know, let me tell you this: in 1919 the jewish Kun (Cohen) Béla and his bolshevik red terrorist jews usurped power and started massacring the Hungarian elite, the Hungarian worker, and the Hungarian peasants, on their own land. Communism/bolshevism was the jewish political takeover of Hungary. The bolshevik jews could not have done it again after 1945 without the west backing Stalin and the Soviet. Bogeymen all right, but not imaginary ones: they here are for real, and they are still the enemy.
And just one question: I do not remember insulting you personally, or calling you names, and I did not spit on your national pride and on the grave of your ancestors.
So, why did you do just that regarding me and my folks?
48. Solsys | April 8th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
abc123 : it’s a pity that The Exile chose to modify my first post (in a paranoid counterattack : everybody not aligned with the Exile is a Koch whore, didn’t you know…), it would have answered your question.
Your question abour procurement is exactly the kind of question the officers in charge have to answer. There are many variables, like cost of procurement both in time and money, availability of ammo in the desired diversity etc.
All these have to be integrated in a particular context, time and role. This is what officers do, like all those who have to make a complex organisation work. To dismiss these questions like Gary does is akin to what Germans said about the old guys in taverns, “Stammtischgeneral” (read Erich Maria Remarque for more on that).
In other words Gary he doesn’t think like an officer, but he likes to pretend he does, which is something called “Cargo Cult”.
If your strategy has been build upon a tactical advantage given by a special weapon system (say, your recoilless rifle can be the standard RPG-toting opponent), then on one hand you’ll do more to find this ammo (and I’m pretty sure the basic ammo varieties are not that rare), on the other hand you become more vulnerable to logistics etc. But it can make you win the fights.
This is the nature of warfare, a lot of risks, variables, plans that work here don’t work there, and uncertainty. You cannot know until you’ve tried it.
This is why it is VERY usefull to ask oneself these “X vs Y” questions, and why such emphasis is put on simulations, kriegsspiel etc.
Officers like engineers are often very boring people…
49. fnord | April 8th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Seriously, as the last 10 years have proved, all you need to focus on is IED and battle dicipline.
50. giongulas | April 8th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Postman, my little deranged hungarian, get yourself checked into a mental institution pronto, before you wreck yourself.
These lies and filth you’re spewing have no place on the war nerd site. Don’t you and your other “greater hungary” co-conspirators have other sites you can defecate on?
By listening to you list the great victories of the hungarians(which have nothing in common with Attila, by the way) we’ll soon start believing that it was a hungarian army who won the Civil War, beat the japs in the Pacific, or rolled the Wehrmacht all the way back to Berlin.
Let’s see, where to start with your many lies? The hungarians are not descendants of Attila the hun, he just happened to migrate from Siberia to Europe 500 yrs before the magyars. Since you (the magyars) happened to settle in roughly the same area, some decrepit old pope gave you the name hungarians, and it stuck.
Next, you haven’t defeated or stopped any Mongols from invading Europe. They pretty much destroyed any army that tried to stop them, be it Russian, Polish or German, and only retreated to their beautiful Heimat when Ogedei Khan died in 1241, and never came back. Talk about a great effing break for Europe.
Quick little newsflash for you, the popes had the darndest habit of naming everyone the “shield of Christianity”, from the Templar and Teutonic Knights, to various Crusaders, to shitty little princes like Stefan the Great of Moldavia. So, you see, being named one means jack squat.
And by the way, Hungary ceased to exist after the battle of Mohacs in 1526, when, oh yeah, the Otomans kicked the shit out of you and divided your country and turned your capital into the Pashalik of Buda. That went on for 150 years, so you see, that kinda puts a dent in your 24/7, for like a 150 yrs. If it weren’t for the Holy League(made up of Poles, Russians and a few Venetians), which defeated the Ottomans in 1686 and made them give Buda back in 1699 at the treaty of Karlowits there wouldn’t even be a Hungary to speak of.
Ah, almost forgot, according to all the evidence, Janos Hunyadi was actually a Romanian speaking Vlach from Transylvania, so that makes it all the more hilarious when you think that his offspring ruled Hungary for centuries. Not to mention that most actual magyar blood has long since disappeared, either massacred by the mongols, the ottomans, or simply swallowed by the slavs, vlachs and other populations which were brought in by the Habsburgs after they took control of your teritory in 1699, because there was hardly anyone left living there. Check out the genetic makeup of hungarians today, more slavic than anything else.
51. Ilona | April 8th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Them Swedes! Gotta love their peace loving, conscience of the world ways. All their Swedish Bikini Teams and Carl Gustavs and Boforses and…
Archer 155-mm Self-Propelled Gun-Howitzers!!!
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/archerhowitzer/
52. Fissile | April 8th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
@giongulas #50.
Actually the Mongols did lose one battle in Europe, they were beaten off by an Army of Croats near the Croatian port city of Rijeka in 1242. Interestingly enough, the Mongols entered Croatia to pursue a fleeing Bela IV of Hungary. He was fleeing to save his sorry ass after the Mongols had defeated the entire Army of Hungary.
53. postman | April 8th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
giongulas,
Unless you are paying my internet fees secretly,-and last time I checked, it was still poor old me who paid my bills,-you fucking can not tell me if my posts have place on the war nerd blog or not. That’s settled, then.
Now, let me remind you about one thing you seem not to know: Hungary in WW2 was in fact the ally of the Third Reich and the Empire of Japan, during the heroic fight against the forces of evil.
It is clear that you know nothing about the Huns of Attila and the Hungarians. The székely people of Erdély (Transsylvania) are the living proof. Prince Csaba, got it? (I bet you don’t…)
If you know so much about the Mongols, then you know that they could do fuck-all against fortified castles in Hungary, but yeah, they left after their Khan died.
Well, I guess in your point of view, Dobó István and the victorious Hungarian defenders of Eger in 1552 were just on an LSD-trip, and hallucinated beating back victoriously the hundreds of thousands of Ottoman Turk siegers. Same with Szondi György of Drégely and Zrínyi Miklós of Szigetvár. Sure.
Hunyadi János “became Romanian” after 1920 Trianon, when the occupiers of the Hungarian territories wanted to take away our history, too, to further justify their claim to our lands. If you tell such thing to a Hungarian, all you will receive as an answer is a snigger, or outright laughter…
Now, about your claim of the disappearence of the magyar blood, all I can tell you is, 15 million living Hungarians are begging to differ…
54. marc | April 8th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
I think it’s really funny that the War Nerd writes an article about how he hates pointless gear talk (RPGvs.Gustav) and a bunch of asshats start writing “duh duh duh, American urban guerrillas should use IEDs. NO! duuur, they should buy handguns!”
The point of the article was not what gear to use, it was what it actually takes to be a good guerrilla. Jeez dudes, read the article again.
55. foog | April 8th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Hey Postman… I feels I gots the right to take the piss outta Hungarians since I happen to be one myself. So you see, you HAVE spit all over my ancestors’ graves. You have, by association, made them look like a bunch of xenophobic dumbfuck Balkanized hicks. Anyways, now you know. I get to take the piss the same way that black comedians can corner the market on acceptable “black folks” jokes. Put that in your kokárd and smoke it. Hazám, motherfucker!!
On a related note, any particular reason you feel entitled to being such an utterly vile, contemptible piece of shit about the Jews? You a Yid there son? Or can we add hypocrisy to your stunning list of achievements?
56. Solsys | April 8th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Marc, your remark is ludicrous (your are an asshat).
Even the most deprived fighter has to get a weapon ; the nature of the weapon is going to dictate the way he will fight.
He may not have a choice, and then there is no point talking about gear. But this is simply not the case, Gary just chickened out of any debate because he fucking clueless.
I mean how can somebody naming himself “War Nerd” can think that since you can fire 30 rounds in seconds (add “whoa” sound) a semi-auto is like an auto pistol.
This man not only never fired either, he pretends though he knows better. He is an immediate fraud to any people who ever shot both (like soldiers) and to most hobby shooters. Gary simply cannot have any credibility on an error like that, let alone a lack of background knowledge on Ivory Coast so embarassing he had to write an article as an excuse.
Same as with any technical debate : the one deriding the nature of the debate itself is the biggest jerk, in any trade, industry or organisation.
I could go on and on, because technological warfare is ripe of officers begging for specific equipment, and losing for lack of it.
But Gary sides with the winner (without knowing anything about the political background, and thus the conflict at hand), or the guy with the baddest attitude. Basically he says “REAL guerrillas don’t ask themselves these questions, this is for pampered decadent westerners”.
Gary’s info is the stereotypes he’s been fed in the press, and his reasoning is built on these shitty input.
Like I said before I was censored, he’s just a journalist that needs to write articles, he chose a subject where he could pretend competence to those completely in the dark.
57. abc123 | April 9th, 2011 at 2:59 am
Solsys: I think you are right that the choice of weapon can change the outcome of a battle. Can is the keyword. I was thinking from the perspective of some African country needing to defend itself/needing to attack and whether it was worth going through the extra trouble and cost of acquiring the Carl Gustav (obviously some countries think so).
If, and it’s a big if, you can manage to find people who are patience enough to do all these boring task then you can win with a better weapon and it would pay off.
The boring task would be to fire hundreds of 7.62 mm training rounds with a Carl Gustav, learn how to properly lead a moving target, learn about wind, and most of all, learn how to pick firing positions and plan escape/combat tactics.
A normal Carl Gustav team consist of a loader and a gunner. They carry 50 % live rounds, 50 % smoke. They fire one live round then one smoke that permits them to escape alive (yes, this smoke block infra-red).
I don’t think IED’s would do much good, they only work against western forces. If you try to defend yourself with IED’s against a another third world militia, then you may take out one of their guys, but they still enter your city and kill all your civilians. To prevent that you need heavy weapons.
58. postman | April 9th, 2011 at 4:01 am
Hey foog,
When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck.
You are not Hungarian. “Hungarian Jew”, contradiction in terms,more likely, if at all…Well, if you quack like a duck… What is the problem? My grandpa shot yours on the shores of the Danube in ’44? How is that for black comedy, motherfucker?
Next time you pretend to be one of us, do not be ignorant to the national legends, try to quote words from the language correctly, do not repeat the lies of the commie jew history books and the Small Entente propaganda.
Vesszen Trianon!
59. postman | April 9th, 2011 at 9:40 am
The thing I like most, when people tell me what and how to think, what I can say, what I can write.
Especially regarding Hungary, her history, and her people, and her wars, or 1920 Trianon Treaty for that matter.
I am an oldschool Hungarian nationalist.
I may be named “racist”, “anti-semite”, and whatnot. No problem: these words have no real meaning. The 1956 freedom-loving rebels were called fascist scum by the communists. If I am called so, I feel honored.
So, just because you are not PC and Multikulti, just because you are a fascist scum, that does not mean you are not right in every word you say…
60. RealityCheck | April 9th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Does anyone else wonder whether foog’s claim to be Hungarian might not be 100% honest?
Look at post 32: does that sound like a Hungarian writing (note that he speaks of Hungarians in the third person), or like a member of an ethnicity that’s deep in some kind of tribal feud with the Hungarians? If someone posted in detail (and very fluent, humorous English) on French military defeats, then claimed to be French once he was losing the argument, I’d laugh in his face.
61. postman | April 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
RealityCheck,
It occurred to me, too. Two most likely tribal feuds candidate for foog are:
1. “Hungarian Jew”, the using of Hungarian words, and the ususal back-stabbing anti-hungarian bolshevik propaganda points in that direction.
2. An ethnic Romanian, the claiming of Hunyadi Mátyás as Romanian is the usual Small-Entente propaganda, which points in that direction. The Romanians are thieves, and in general pimps and whores, the whole sorry lot of ’em.
Less likely candidates are a Slovak or a Serb. Slovaks are in fear of us, all they want is we do not come after them, so they do not taunt us.
A Serb would not write back on the internet if he disagreed with my comment. A Serb would hail a taxi, travel to Budapest, and would take out my flat with an RPG-7. Serbs are like Hungarians on cocaine in their good periods, and like on crack withdrawal in their worst periods.
So, either point one or two…
62. giongulas | April 9th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Postman,
Jesus focking christ, when are you gonna understand nobody cares about you being hungarian, mesopotamian, or conchinchinese.
Get it thru your thick skull: nobody gives a rat’s ass about you or your political hangups.
Aren’t there other sites you can troll and leave us the fuck alone to enjoy our daily dose of the war nerd in peace!! What’s the matter, IP blocked on every other site that allows comments? Big surprise!
You’re obviously out of your gourd, mixing disparate bits of history together in order to create a concoction that sounds good to your magyar hillbilly ears.
It’s useless even trying to correct your false claims, but here it is, for the record:
No, the magyars are not the huns, the name hungarian is a misnome(an exonym actually), imposed on them by some ignorant octogenarian pope. Not even the magyars, at any point in their history, ever made the claim they were huns. That’s why in the magyar language, the magyars call themselves magyars – not huns, and their country Magyarorszag. Are you that dumb, that you think the hungarians must be huns, since they both start with hu?
As for Eger and the Buda Pashalik, the only LSD-induced hallucination is your refusal to accept that the kingdom of Hungary ceased to exist for almost 2 centuries (between 1526 and as late as 1718, when the last turks were pushed out by the Habsburg/Polish Holy League). Check the dates, they’re easily available.
Yes, Janos Hunyadi(or actually Iancu de Hunedoara) became Romanian at his birth in 1407, into a Vlach(Romanian) family, so not in 1920. Contemporary magyar chronicles refer to him as Janos Valachus, so there..
Yeah, the hungarians were part of the Axis (probably the weakest, and I’m including the Italians here) and got their asses kicked big time by the Red Army. Same thing happened in 1956. Any questions?
63. Foog | April 9th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
@reality check
Ya caught me. I’m actually a dual citizen, and was born abroad. But thanks to laws supported by pig-ignorant racist fucktards like the postman, I’m as much a Hungarian as he is. Lived in Budapest ten years too, not that it matters. All that matters is daddy and mums were Hungarian-born Hungarians who got the fuck out in 56, so I get all the joys and benefits of being lumped in with assholes who think the Nazis were the heroes of WWII.
…of course, I could be making it up. And so could the postie. I suspect he’s probably a Jew, and a damned fine troll. On the internet, we’re all 14-year-old girls in chat rooms anyways, amiright?
64. Higgins | April 9th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
An outstanding film covering some of the topics discussed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baader_Meinhof_Complex
My favorite parts were how vicious the hottie fraus were with a gun and that hit on the prosecutor involving a motorcycle (and said hottie on the back with a HK33). ‘Rip-N-Run’, indeed.
Yeah, they still failed their goals (with little support from the drone like masses more focused on blind consumerism, media propaganda, endless money from the right, and what not) but they made the American resistance groups look like total pussies in comparison.
65. Sark Ozy | April 9th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Why limit yourself to RPG-7? The Russian weapons development didn’t stop there.
There’s a more recent RPG-29 Vampir, or Vampire, and, as Israel’s tank crews have learned, it’s quite an effective weapon:
One of the major military surprises of the fighting in Lebanon has been the apparent vulnerability of Israeli armour to Hezbollah anti-tank rockets
66. postman | April 9th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
giongulas,
as I said, you are not paying my internet fees, so you fucking do not tell me where I can post, please?
Did I say to you that spread your bolshevik, Small-Entente anti-hungarian propaganda elswhere, that you should not post that
shit on war nerd forum? No, I did not. Why? Because I actually approve of freedom of speech, un-like you.
Now, about your lies. The Hun connection does not come from linguistic misunderstanding, that is just a coincidence. If I remember well, the name Hungarian comes from the Germans calling us Ungarn. What does this have to do with the Huns? Nothing my man. The Hun connection comes from the ancient legends, and the Gestas like the Gesta Hungarorum. Scythians, Huns, Magyar, same people.
Hungarian Kingdom did not cease to exist between 1526 and 1718. You did not know the Habsburgs of Vienna were Kings of Hungary, anointed with the Sacra Corona? So, why do you lie?
I know where Hunyadi came from, but that does not make him a Romanian in the sense as it is meant today. And Hunyadi Mátyás was never a Romanian king, he was King of Hungary, anointed with the Sacra Corona. That makes him pretty much our man, would not you agree?
Yeah, we were in WW2 in the Axis side, which gave us a chance to shake down the shackles of the evil Trianon Treaty of 1920, which was enforced on us by the Allies (same as old Entente Cordiale), if only for a few years. It was a good decision.
So, the Soviet defeated us, and in 1956, too. Just tell me, which other country took on the Red Army twice, knowing the odds? The 1956 rebels were the coolest people, my greatest personal heroes! Any questions?
67. postman | April 10th, 2011 at 12:23 am
foog,
your automatic disagreeing with me and calling me a jew was convincing: you very well can be Hungarian 🙂
Listen, of course I approve the dual citizenship. 1956 immigration was the most serious blood-letting and brain-drain from Hungary. That 160000 good people are seriously missing from the country today.
Who said the Nazis were the heroes of WW2? The heroes of WW2 were the Hungarian soldiers, a magyar honvédek! The Nazi Germans invaded us in ’44 at the end, how could I approve the German invasion of Hungary as an old-school Hungarian nationalist? Never!
If you lived in Hungary, you are aware that the sacking of Bukarest is not imminent? That the Hungarian officers dancing in the hotels of Bukarest with Romanian whores will not disturb the Romanians beauty sleep soon as tomorrow?
This is war nerd blog. War Nerd daydreams of martial glory. I daydream of martial glory. War Nerd dreams being the sacred fire of the ‘stans. I daydream of liberating Erdély. What is the problem? I am never off topic, I talk about war, I talk about tribal feud. I am doing it from Hungarian perspective, teaching about 1920 Trianon to keep the fire alive. And sometimes I’m playing the devils advocate for the nazis, and poetically exaggerate my opinion on race, and I really can not suffer the jews and Political Correctness and Multikulti.
What is the problem?
68. giongulas | April 10th, 2011 at 1:36 am
Postman,
Yeah, dumbshit, I got a question: what dosage is your Xanax and how many times a day do you have to take it? Other than that it’s a waste of broadband.
By the way I did a little snoopin, and you’re not in Hungary either, not that it matters. At least Foog knows what he’s talking about, unlike you.
Ah, and you and Reality Check = same person.
And yes, I can ask you to move your stupidass posts to a more appropriate venue, cause baby, this ain’t it. Maybe to LameBirdBrains.com, just a suggestions.
So an acient legend says you’re huns, eh? Weel, a little birdie told me you’re a sack of shit.
And how in the world did the Kingdom of Hungary survived when it became a Pashalik, and whatever small bit(present day Slovakia) the Turks didn’t want, was swallowed up into the Habsburg Empire – your old enemy. Yes I know, it hurts to admit.
Personally I don’t care what ethnicity Iancu de Hunedoara was, he was a great man by any measure, but since he was born into a Vlah family, it just goes to prove my point that there is no such thing as Hungarian blood, you’re all a mixture of slavs and vlachs.
Take it from me, I also am a Hungarian king, annointed with the Sacra Fucking Corona.
69. postman | April 10th, 2011 at 11:48 am
giongulas,
Could you tell me please when did I insult you personally? When did I call you names? When did I say anything to hurt your national pride? Which country and nation are you from, anyways? I did not insult you, so why the fuck do you insult me?
Well, as for me not being in Hungary is a very interesting news on which I did a double-take, since from my window I can see the Castle of Buda, and as far as I understand, Budapest is still the capital of Hungary…
Now, I am not schizophrenic, and the voices in my head telling me to do things do agree: as far as I am able to tell, RealityCheck is a different person. Wonder what he have to say.
Now, I hate to repeat myself, but let me say again, loud and clear: YOU ARE NOT PAYING MY INTERNET FEES, SO YOU FUCKING CAN NOT TELL ME WHERE I SHOULD POST. DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?
Now, the ancient legends actually mean things, un-like your blabberings, but I do not except you to understand this, nor do I really care about your opinion about them.
Now, for 150 years Hungary was in three parts. The Habsburgs were not our enemies, they were the Kings of Hungary, anointed by Sacra Corona. The Habsburg King of Hungary rooted out the Ottomans at the end. This is not so hard to understand, is it?
As I said, 15 million Hungarians disagree of your opinion on the Hungarian blood, but I really hate to repeat myself, so please do not play retarded who does not understand simple sentences.
You are King of the Ignorants, maximum, my man.
70. Höllenhund | April 11th, 2011 at 2:22 am
“Americans no longer have any support from tribal, ethnic or extended family groups.”
Indeed. An atomized society is an apathetic, passive society incapable of resisting its overlords in any meaningful way.
71. Somatzu | April 11th, 2011 at 7:17 am
Well, until today I was pretty much neutral on the topic of Hungary, but now I can chalk on up against them for usurping this blog!
Then again, at least I’ll have something to say next time a heated discussion on Hungarian historical polemics breaks out at the bar – it might even get me laid. But something tells me bedding a hungo-hottie takes little more than a flash of the ol’ US passport. Now where’s your nationalism? In a pair of boots under my bed!
Quick question: do they all fall for that nazi jew-baiting, postman? Or is that just your part of town?
Neocat #11 was the one who brought up Hungary in a relevant way: using low-tech methods to stop an artillery advance in cities and following it up with AT fire. That’s pretty fucking awesome! And it reminds me specifically of a prank me and my fellow street urchins used to pull on a busy street near where we lived. At night, two of us would stand across from each other on both sides of the road, and when we saw headlights, we’d pretend we were pulling a rope and this would bring the car to a complete stop right where the imaginary rope was supposed to be. Of course, this is where we would run off – not unlike the aforementioned Hungarians – before people got out of the car to whip our asses.
So, do you even need IEDs? Or is it enough to trick the artillery advance to stop so you can hit it with some good ol’ AT?
72. derpmasan | April 11th, 2011 at 7:19 am
the article is tl;dr and does not make any points besides “a recoilless rifle is a recoilless rifle is a recoilless rifle” with some moronic tangents
73. genf20 | October 18th, 2015 at 8:55 pm
Thanks for finally writing about > WN Blog 18: RPG vs.
BMW – By Gary Brecher – The eXiled < Liked it!