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The War Nerd / September 13, 2011
By Gary Brecher

Well, it’s ten years and a couple of days since 9/11. The reason I’m two days late doing a look back is that 9/11 is boring. I’m sick of it. And the ten years since are just depressing, at least if you’re an American.

So I spent the 9/11 anniversary reading Jack Weatherford’s book on the Mongol Queens because I didn’t want to see New Yorkers hamming it up the way they’ve been doing for ten long years.

It reminds me of the stupid group hug’n’cry when that worthless limey Princess Di died. While she was alive she was just a punchline for dirty jokes, but as soon as she hit the wall in Paris, every sobby fool in the world was her best friend.

There was one difference between the Di thing and 9/11: Crying over Di was for girls. Well, girls and Elton John, but you know. 9/11 is way worse because it’s a weepfest for men in suits, big loud scotch-drinking jerks who want to prove “Real men aren’t afraid to cry.” Maybe not, but maybe they should be. Or at least embarrassed to do it on TV.

Dinka Fighter: Cooler than a bond trader. Taller, too.

When somebody cries for the two million Dinka, Nuer, Zaghawa, and Fur who were machinegunned from Mi-24s in Sudan, I might squirt a few in memory of Manute Bol maybe. But nobody will ever do that. They don’t matter to anybody but me. I rate the dead on height and warrior quality, so to me a dead Nuer or Dinka is worth, oh I don’t know, something like three dozen NYC office workers. Maybe more.

But there’s no money in a dead Dinka, and money decides how much tv time a corpse gets. That’s why the 9/11 dead hit the bigtime: The return on investment was huge. It funded the dumbest spending binge since Rollie Fingers put his money in.

In fact, it’s not much of a stretch between what happens when a hick or ghetto kid gets a pro sports contract and what happened after 9/11. Bush and Cheney were both wannabe jocks—I reviewed a Cheney bio that said he hung around with other failed jocks at Yale—and they were about as smart with the blank check they got on 9/12 as Deuce McAlister was with his millions. That’s when dreams come true, and no matter what Disney told you, it’s bad news when you can make your dreams come true, cuz most of the time your dreams are just stupid.

These two had a dream, as the saying goes. Oh yeah, they had a dream: Get everybody into the bus screaming for revenge, take the interstate for Afghanistan—and then fake’em all out by screeching off at the Baghdad exit. “It’s a shortcut!”

When I look back at those years, what still floors me is how long they got away with it. Bush got the sane response out of the way fast, starting the attack on Afghanistan, the real Al Qaeda HQ, about a month after 9/11. Everybody was for it; it made sense, even if all those Pearl Harbor links didn’t. Pearl Harbor was a massive conventional attack on a US military base by planes flying from carriers; 9/11 was a coordinated hijacking by a team of about 20 men. It was a brilliant plan and it worked even better than Osama had planned (he admitted that later); but it didn’t mean there were endless millions of other hijackers out there ready to shave every highrise off the Manhattan skyline like some Book of Revelations LectricShave commercial.

One of the lessons of 9/11—the actual lessons, not the ones they talk about—is that countries are more powerful than Man from U.N.C.L.E. conspiracies. If you’re attacked by an actual country, like Imperial Japan, you’ve got a problem; if you’re attacked by a nutters’ club like Al Qaeda, you’d be better off taking a Xanax and getting back to business. We’d have saved a lot of lives and money if we’d just ignored 9/11.

None of the intellectuals really like countries, “nation-states” to use the fancy term, and for a hundred years everbody’s been predicting they’ll fall apart. The Marxists always hated them because to them a country is a delusion, a fake family that keeps the workers from seeing who their real friends are. The Islamic nuts hate them for the same reason. So did the Pan-Arabs in Nasser’s day. So does every racist ever born, because they keep whites/blacks/pinks/whatever from joining up with their blood kin. Libertarians hate them because they interfere with the market. Every freak out there has some little dream that countries get in the way of.

But they last. Africa was supposed to fall apart long ago, because the country borders didn’t match the tribal ones. Didn’t happen. Won’t, either. Take Eritrea; There’s no such thing, ethnically, as an Eritrean. It’s a ridiculous colonial border the Italians set up. But once Eritrea incorporated as country, the brand took, and took hard. The Eritreans fought the Ethiopians, much bigger and stronger country, to a stalemate and they’re prouder of their totally imaginary Eritrean identity than a lot of countries are of the real thing.

So what country attacked us on 9/11? You can’t say Afghanistan, because most of them don’t know or care about anything beyond the next valley, never mind Manhattan. Like most everybody on this planet, they’re too busy hating the people one valley over to hate NYC much, though I’m sure they do in a vague way, when they’ve got the energy.

Not Saudi Arabia either, although a lot of Muzzie-haters would like it to be that way. SA is about the money, and 9/11 wasn’t good biz for them.

And not Bush, either. Please, let’s just skip the “inside job” crap.  9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to the Bush administration, but that doesn’t mean they did it. Start thinking that way and pretty soon you have to say farmers make it rain because rain’s “good fer the crops,” or  accept the Japanese version of why the Mongol invasion failed: The Gods sent a kamikaze, a divine wind, to protect their little cousin the Emperor. Things happen that help one party or another but that doesn’t mean those parties did it.

You know who revived the old “Bush did it” theory on the tenth anniversary? None other than the ex-PM of Malaysia, that godsend to comedy, Mahathir Muhammed. He has a new, brilliant proof that it was Bush all the time: It had to be, according to Dr. M, because Arabs aren’t smart enough to pull off a smooth operation like that. Brilliant. That’s the way to win Muslim hearts’n’minds. It’s not even sensible; there are (well, there used to be) some reasonably intelligent people at the top of Al Qaeda. And the idea of using a plane to hit a tower, though it’s a very good plan, isn’t all that complicated. Michael Caine, for God’s sake, is going around saying he was writing a thriller with the same plot when 9/11 happened, and if Michael Caine can think of it, so can your neighbor’s Labrador. In fact I remember a thriller from way back, Black Sunday, where the idea is to float the Goodyear blimp, with a gondola full of plastique studded with roofing nails, over the Super Bowl stadium, give’em a halftime show they’ll never forget. (There was a great scene with Bruce Dern the psycho Nam vet just lovingly putting the roofing nails into the C-4 one by one. Man, that spoke to me: “Homecoming float, you bastards? I’ll show you a homecoming float…”)

Or the Israelis, either. They were glad when it happened, sure; I even remember an Israeli interviewed in NYC gloating about it, “Now you know how we feel!” But same thing as Bush: Just because they benefited doesn’t mean they did it. It’s possible Israeli security knew something about the plot and let it slide; that’s old CI tactics, stepping back or even helping your enemy when he plans to attack a wavering ally of yours. But Osama wasn’t that interested in the Palestinians or Israel; it was US troops on the sacred Peninsula that set him off. He was from the East part of the Middle East, and not much of a threat to Israel. In a cold-blooded way, he was probably just as happy as the Israelis to keep the Palestinians in their camps. Good propaganda—and besides, those Pals aren’t even all Muslims. (Imagine a meeting between George Habash and Osama—pure skit material.)

What really attacked us was a demographic: Rich, not-that-bright Muslim sons who didn’t have much going for them besides a religion. A handful of jealous losers, industrial waste from the population bulge of the 20th c. in the Middle East.

It’s easy to see that now, and frankly it was pretty easy to see it then too. It just wasn’t much fun seeing it that way. Didn’t make for good tv. Those guys had a lot to be jealous of, when you remember America in 2000. Getting our way everywhere, and playing the good guy while we did it. Sleazy on the inside, but who isn’t? 9/11 was a lot like the attacks North Korea launches from time to time when South Korea gets too rich and distracted, like a “forget-me-not” bouquet full of jet fuel. I know the feeling myself: Maybe you can’t knock these people down once and for all, but you can wipe the smug smile off their faces for a while.

That’s the biggest surprise of all: It did knock us down, maybe permanently. I don’t think even Osama planned that, although maybe I’m underestimating him. Most jihadis think more in terms of gestures, doing something big and going out with a bang, than making a lasting change in the balance of power. Mohammed Atta having a last drink at a strip club—classic spoiled martyr crap. Make the kaffirs sorry, go out with the biggest bang yet. That’s not strategy, that’s psychotherapy for rich mamma’s boys who know they don’t matter in the world.

But it turned into strategy, and brilliant strategy. And all because Bush and Cheney had a dream. A bunch of dreams, all stupid, all disasters for America.

What happened wasn’t complicated—just expensive. One month after the twin towers go down, the US invades Afghanistan in “Operation Enduring Freedom.” (God I hate those “Operation” names. Can’t they just pick something random, something that doesn’t sound like Flag Day in Houston?) It went slowly at first, we looked tentative, then something odd happened up north in Mazar-i-Sharif that turned the whole campaign around. I’ve always suspected it was a huge bribe to some Taliban commander up there, because that’s what usually turns the tide in an Afghan battle. After Mazar fell, we rolled into Kabul. So far, so good. Then Bush and Cheney decided they’d done enough to satisfy the suckers back home and got down to their real agenda, Iraq. Since that time a bunch of bitter special forces guys have said they were closing in on Osama in the mountains of SE Afghanistan when all the money and weapons were diverted to Iraq, or as it ought to be called, “Field of Dreams.”

Top Gun Bush: Worst. Sequel. Ever.

It was a strange time. You couldn’t be too loud or too dumb. I know it scared me. Kind of a sci-fi scenario, with everybody around you turned into an insect. I remember talking to a woman in the office where I worked in 2002, smart lady, way richer than me, one spoiled brat of a kid and a scientist husband. She heard I knew something about war stuff but she didn’t like it when I started spluttering at the idea that Saddam could hit Manhattan in 40 minutes with chemical warheads. I got sort of excited which come to think of it might have something to do with the fact I never got anywhere in that job and they seemed very happy on my last day—and tried to remind her of the first Gulf War, how Saddam tried to activate his imaginary terror cells in Europe and America, tried to scare everyone with Scuds, tried everything he could to bluff us—and nothing, absolutely nothing, happened. She just stared at me for a second—I’ve seen this a lot from Americans who outrank me; they never argue with you, they don’t do arguments, they just wait for you to finish and then repeat what they said in the beginning—she said, “I believe there are WMDs.” I thought I was back at church again.

Another thing about good Americans—I mean the ones who are good at being Americans, not “good” like Lincoln: They never remember their mistakes. I read that good NFL cornerbacks are the same way: They never remember the TDs caught over them. It’s adaptive, I guess, but I’m old-fashioned; I say it’s cheap, it’s spoiled. It’s your duty to admit it when you get things wrong, and do it loud and often.

But she never talked about it. Creeped me out. I’ve always wondered about those well-groomed people with self-esteem: Do they just outright forget their boo-boos or do they just have a policy of not mentioning them?

I was too scared to bring it up to her either. “Hey Pam, remember what you said about WMDs?” Yeah, sure: “Hey Gary, remember your evaluation I have to write?” Except she wouldn’t even say that—they never say anything that could be used against them; she’d just change the subject and torpedo me in the evals.

The same amnesia she got happened in the press: no apologies, not even an admission. I tried once and someone told me, “There’s no point playing the blame game.” Blame game! If only McClellan had had the PR agency that made that one up. “There’s no point playing the blame game, Mr. Lincoln, just give me another two million troops and I’ll try again.” There’s plenty of goddamn point in playing the blame game when you’re talking about the people who cheerled you into a disastrous invasion. Me, I’m for blood purges where you line up every editorial writer in front of a mass grave, read them what they wrote back in 2003, and then mow them down, but I’m willing to settle for hard labor for life. Cheney on the Chain Gang. Has a ring to it.

The invasion of Iraq happened slowly, with plenty of advance notice and months of all-out bullshit in the press. It was a bad time for anyone who knew anything about military history, which judging by the way the debate went meant damn near nobody. All the so-called experts were doing idiotic “How many tanks has Iraq got?” metrics that had nothing to do with anything. It was obvious the tanks weren’t the problem. The difference was that Cheney wanted to occupy the whole country this time. Funny, cuz he came up with the best reason NOT to do that back in 1994. Somebody dug up a video from back then where Cheney, not the smartest guy as a rule, comes up with a just plain brilliant summary of why occupying Iraq is a bad idea:

Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you going to put in its place? That’s a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it — eastern Iraq — the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you’ve got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.

It’s a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.

The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families — it wasn’t a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?

Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right.

So what happened, Dick? One of those mini-strokes? More likely, the same thing that happened to his whole administration on September 12, 2001: They got high. And stayed high. Blank checks will do that for you. They couldn’t lose. No matter how cowardly and shameful they acted, they got a pass. Bush read a kid’s book and then bugged out for his bunker when he heard about the attack, but somehow he was a hero. And this isn’t hindsight, damn it; I said so at the time, but nobody wanted to hear it.

Notice what Cheney says at the end there: “How many dead Americans is Saddam worth?”

He thinks the whole thing about occupying Iraq will be getting Saddam. Once we got Saddam, game over. And they really thought that. Remember when every Republican mouthpiece was screeching that the insurgency was over as soon as Saddam was captured? Of course it made no difference whatsoever, because these idiots don’t know a thing about guerrilla warfare.

Or maybe they’d had such an easy ride on top of the backs of American suckers, I mean voters, that they thought everybody was as docile as us and the Iraqis would stop when their leader went down. Wrong again.

Their whole dream got the OK from America, and it’s still hurting us every day. Stateside, all the contracts for the Iraq War were no-bid scams, just outright scams. Nobody minded. They put in every wacko friend they’d made, guys like the FEMA horse breeder who did such a great job in Katrina; nobody minded. They stripped taxes on their rich friends while they were spending a trillion dollars on their pet Iraq war; everybody cheered. I was there, I remember. I’m a big fan of the blame game myself, and I blame every single one of you suckers who bought into it.

The war went the obvious way: Saddam’s tanks were hot scrap in a few days. It was a classic firepower demonstration, and that pretty much guaranteed a bad aftermath, because it’s hard to turn off that kind of firepower when you’re switching to reconstruction. We’ve done some good reconstructions—most of them in 1945—and some bad ones, like 1865-1876. This was one of the worst.

There were no interpreters you could trust, none of the troops spoke Arabic, most of them had swallowed two years of Muzzie-hating from the US press. They didn’t know anything about the place and didn’t want to. They rolled into Fallujah, shot a bunch of demonstrators, and it was on. Took two more all-out invasions to kill everybody in Fallujah who might be trouble. The Marines didn’t even impress the locals, because they hunkered down under fire and called for air or artillery. That might be good tactics, but it yields a lot of shock and no awe whatsoever.

I don’t even have time to list the fatal mistakes in Iraq. Remember Paul Bremer? General Sanchez? Sanchez in particular shocked me because it was clear he had total contempt for CI warfare and just plain wouldn’t admit it was happening, even when the casualty count hit four figures. That was the strategy down the line: It’s not happening.

Every reason for the invasion was disproved. No WMDs. No Al Qaeda links. And it damn sure wasn’t a “cakewalk.”

The 2004 Election

But Bush’s support held. That’s when I lost my country, when he was reelected. I used to be an unhappy American nationalist, like a passenger in the back seat wondering how many drinks the driver’s had. But when we invaded Iraq, the car hit a tree—and all the passengers got out and voted to reelect the driver.

That’s the legacy of 9/11: Two dozen spoiled unemployable dimwits managed to lobotomize my country, bankrupt it, make it such a nasty alien place I didn’t even feel part of it any more. I can’t give Osama much of the credit for that, I just don’t see him as that smart—but you know, he did say his goal was to destroy America. And with a lot of help from all you guys who used to be my fellow Americans, he could die content, because he actually managed it.

Would you like to know more? Gary Brecher is the author of the War Nerd. Send your comments to gary dot brecher at gmail dot com. Read Gary Brecher’s first ever War Nerd column by clicking here.

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  • 1. Tyler  |  September 13th, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    Ahmen, if 9/11 had happened after the financial crisis most Americans would probably cheer for Bin Laden.

    If another terrorist attack happens we should just ignore it and move on with our lives rather than use it as justification for more military keynesian policies. Money that could be much better spent elsewhere.

  • 2. a reader  |  September 13th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Thank you for formatting it for me i will shut my fucking mouth and respect now

  • 3. fink  |  September 13th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    unless i meant this comment as a cry to hunt me down and shove a giraffe’s dick down my esophagus, i will shut my fucking trap and thank the good Nerd that you have blessed me with your genius

  • 4. mijjim  |  September 13th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    i wish people wouldn’t do that ..

    “9/11 was an inside job because it made sense .. ridiculous to think that .. /wouldn’t make sense .. is reasonable to assume .. Al Qaeda/Bush/Santa Claus..”

    “9/11 was an israeli job because it made sense .. ridiculous to think that .. /wouldn’t make sense .. is reasonable to assume .. Al Qaeda/Bush/Middle East Domination ..”

    “9/11 was a Bin Laden masterplan because it made sense .. ridiculous to think that .. /wouldn’t make sense .. /is reasonable to think that .. Al Qaeda/Bush/US Middle East Domination blah blah blah ..”

    .. let’s drop the bullshit rationalization and hot air that supports whatever frothy bias we prefer .. if we’re serious, the only basis should be actual physical evidence. .. and *all* actual physical evidence – not just the bits that support our particular bias. Unfortunately, for some reason, that doesn’t seem to be forthcoming.

  • 5. DrunktankDan  |  September 13th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    UGH! I was rioting in SF during the ‘peace protests’ during the buildup to the Iraq War, but my main bone to pick was that those fuckers weren’t acknowledging just how ruthless we would have to be to win it. I didn’t give a fuck about War as a concept per se, I just couldn’t believe that the population of Iraq would dance in the streets after we blew up their conventional army. Gary called that shit shot for shot, play by play. If only you had been our quarterback, instead of Dick “Jamarcus Russel” Cheney. Boggles the mind.
    Also, @1: why have I never heard anybody make that point before? I would have fucking cheered to see an office building or two go down after I watched my parent’s savings evaporate in 2008. At least I had the presence of mind to throw all of my money into gold. Shit is still climbing (but for how long?)

  • 6. Ro  |  September 13th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Man I remember the day Bush got reelected. I was, ironically sitting in my economics class. Everyone was dead silent. Then this girl next to me turns to me and says quietly, sadly, “Bush won”. I’ll never forget the heavy silence in that room. The way the professor had to jump-start his voice to lecture. I don’t know if Kerry would have made much of a difference but the reelection of Bush was just a mandate for sheer stupidity. I told the people around me what was going to happen if we invaded Iraq, and I was right, and I got the same response that you did, silence, and failure to admit any mistakes. It reminds of what you said in your piece on the British and the Moro Moro tribes, where you said that empires never apologize for anything.

    I think the biggest result of the Bush reelection was a stark illustration to me for the first time that there are really two Americas, and we hate each other fervently. The one is perhaps best represented on the coasts, and the other is in the deep south. I know what Lincoln’s purpose was in being so magnanimous toward the South in its surrender, but sometimes I think that we are today paying the price for his magnanimity.

    What I mean is that the South never ever appreciated the kindness that was shown to them, and the terms of surrender and reconstruction just gave that secessionist, elitist element of the country plenty of breathing room to perpetuate the notion that the “South will rise again”. Maybe if Lincoln had shown some more heavy-handed tactics, maybe just done what Sherman did to Atlanta but to the whole South. Maybe if the leaders of the Confederacy had been treated as traitors, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess today. But maybe it would be worse. Perhaps I’m just reacting to my own distaste for that element. Sometimes I wonder if it would not have been better to let the South just go. But then I remember that their capital was just across the Potomac from DC. They didn’t intent to leave the United States. They wanted to BE the United States. I think that war is far from over.

  • 7. DrunktankDan  |  September 13th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Oh, and minor quibble about your analysis of Africa vis a vis Eritrea and the endurance of nation states. Isn’t the brand new country of South Sudan kind of a, uh, counterpoint? I mean, I remember back in geohistory class my freshman year of high school the teacher talking about how Sudan and Chad’s borders needed to be rotated 90 degrees. Lo and behold, 10+ years later its actually kind of happening. The Eritrean thing seems more like an exception than the rule. But what do I know? You’re the expert. All hail Dolan.

  • 8. Dammerung  |  September 13th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    It really was all about transferring wealth from the American Dipshit to the militarists and corporatists

  • 9. CB  |  September 13th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Woo! Got my wish, two days late but who cares!

  • 10. irihawaz  |  September 13th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Crappiest Brecher rant ever. Probably because he really does not like 9/11. Enjoy a 9/11 memorial Merlot and cheer up, buddy!

  • 11. Michal  |  September 13th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    That was such an awesome article, I can’t even believe War Nerd wrote that while bored and sick of it. I’m critical of ExileD all the time, but this is a pretty brilliant take on it.

    At times I worry this is what’s happening in Libya.

    Anyhow, about the part on 9/11 related movies, where the article says some hollywood dude thought up a similar scenario as the one that actually happened; I heard from some notorious conspiracy nutjobs that some state television actually aired on 9/11 a thriller which included a plot devastatingly similar to the real thing, I think something about airplanes crashing into some important building, maybe even twin towers themselves. Is this made up, or did that actually happen? I’m just curious about that.

    Also I know War Nerd will loathe the mention of Tom Clancy, but regardless, I believe he thought up the scenario too in one of his books written pre-9/11, where an angry Japanese guy flies a passenger airplane into the White House, I think that might have been in Executive Orders, written in 1996.

  • 12. Jose  |  September 13th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    A nice piece about how stupid most Americans were. Remember the stupidity that was ‘Freedom Fries’?

  • 13. Klaus  |  September 13th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Amen. Same could be ad-libbed about the euro, if you’re into finance.

  • 14. rick  |  September 13th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    “Wow” stuff.

  • 15. Petkov  |  September 13th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    I have opinions but they’re really not worth anyone’s time, so hopefully the Exiled Moderator will pull an Intervention here. Still waiting…

    As a side note, for ALL it’s bravado and chest pumping, USA hasn’t won a real war except maybe the war against the British and later Spain. Even Geronimo was able to fuck with the army for decades.

  • 16. DeeboCools  |  September 13th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Best part:
    “But Bush’s support held. That’s when I lost my country, when he was reelected. I used to be an unhappy American nationalist, like a passenger in the back seat wondering how many drinks the driver’s had. But when we invaded Iraq, the car hit a tree—and all the passengers got out and voted to reelect the driver.”

    I agree about everything. I was too young to vote in 2004 by about 3 months. Even though my vote wouldn’t have made a difference- that was the only election I’d felt strongly about in my lifetime. When bush was re-elected(wether ‘legitamtely'[if there is such a thing] or not), I- for the first time- felt like I had nothing in common with my countrymen.

  • 17. Bob  |  September 13th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Nice piece, sums the mess up well. I guess the most hopeful thing you can say about the future is that the USA doesn’t have the budget for another stupid war, because you sure can’t count on being kept out of them by the common sense and logic of the guys at the top.

    Incidentally I finally saw ‘Tae Guk Gi – The Brotherhood Of War’ which you recommended way back in WN 35, and it is indeed awesome.

  • 18. Fissile  |  September 13th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    “Most jihadis think more in terms of gestures, doing something big and going out with a bang, than making a lasting change in the balance of power.”

    Yup. Remember that old Mel Brooks movie, The Producers? It’s about a couple of nebbishes who know they can’t win, so they are happy to lose… long as it brings them a few dollars.

    The most unbelievable part of that Brook’s movie was the gullibility/stupidity of the audience(Americans).

    What Mel presented as comedy, Osama proved in a global tragedy, Americans ARE that stupid and gullible.

  • 19. Kim Davis  |  September 13th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    9/11 was about killing office workers?

  • 20. quiborum bak  |  September 13th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

  • 21. James  |  September 13th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    There was indeed a show where there was an attempt to fly a jetliner into the World Trade Center. It was the “X-Files” spin-off “The Lone Gunmen.” The pilot episode was about an attempt to remotely take control of an airliner and crash it into the World Trade Center as a means of generating arms sales and finding a new enemy to replace the Soviets.

  • 22. ☭ mouse ☭  |  September 13th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Just re: Bush’s re-election:

    In the 2004 election I was very anti-bush and I think I kinda somehow wanted Kerry to win (even tho I voted 3rd party). If Obama isnt different from Bush, Kerry was a straight Bush clone (fuck! they were even both Yale Bonesmen rich brats). I cant even entertain the idea anymore that Kerry would have been different! That whole election is so much more hilarious in retrospect when you think of how strongly everyone felt…. Bush! Kerry! …and that even still Bush clearly won that one!! lol…. and whats happened since only makes it funnier !

  • 23. AG93  |  September 13th, 2011 at 8:11 pm


    No shit. Fly an airplane into ECB headquarters at Frankfurt and I’ll give you a good cheer. Actually, the more worthless politicians and bankers you kill, the better. A year ago I didn’t think like this, but since then I’ve grown way more tired and disgusted. Europe is rotten to the core.

    Since I’m a coward like most human beings, I’m not going to practice what I preach. That said, there are plenty of people who aren’t as pathetic as I am.

  • 24. Esmerelds  |  September 13th, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Ah, that was refreshing.

    But Gary, you forgot anthrax! How could anyone working in an office, presumably with a mail-room, forget anthrax? That’s when every mini-fascist inhouse security dude got to strut his stuff and protect all us careless letter-openers. Permanent lockdown.

  • 25. Fischbyne  |  September 13th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Far more cathartic than Krugman’s piece. Thanks.

    The day before 9/11, Bush’s stupidity was an easy watercooler topic, back when the press eagerly ridiculed his dumb statements. Then the NY Times told us things like, “Oh, we’ve all got to stand behind our president in tough times. And boy, that Rumsfeld sure is funny when he bitch slaps the press.”

  • 26. Tommo  |  September 13th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    @10… not crappiest, but I agree… if you hate talking about something, don’t talk about it. There’s other 9/11’s to talk about, like Chile, tho that’s a bit dry these days too. How about something nuts like the Soviet/Japanese invasion of Manchuria in the 20’s to crush the anarchists there?

  • 27. bobob  |  September 13th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    To elect Bush once may be regarded as a misfortune. To elect him twice looks like carelessness.

  • 28. defeatist  |  September 13th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    I took a bus to DC from the Midwest in 2003, just before the invasion, for an antiwar demo in front of the Congress. The demo seemed like a big island of sanity and Americanism amidst the freedom-fries lunacy of the time. There were veterans groups, church groups, professional groups, banners from every state, American and French flags flying, clever mock-ups of Bush and the gang. All they wanted to do was stop the invasion of Iraq, and the overall spirit was hopeful and down-to-earth.

    I bussed down again in 2006, right before the “surge.” On the bus, we watched “Loose Change,” and people took it very seriously. At the demo, half of the participants carried signs saying: 911-Truth. They almost didn’t care about Iraq, which was the official reason for the demo. They only wanted to talk about was WTC-7, missiles, secret demolition crews, the CIA and Mossad.

    I thought: no more island of sanity, the red state lunacy and paranoia has spread, in mutated form, to the antiwar movement.

  • 29. matt  |  September 13th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    this is probably the wrong place to post this, but what the fuck happened to the exile archive at Where am I supposed to go for my fix?!?!?

  • 30. Tyler  |  September 13th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    I sent this to everyone I know. Keep it coming War Nerd.

  • 31. BlottoBonVismarck  |  September 13th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    ET TU, BRECHER – 1

    So now you’re talking crap about 911, Brecher. No conspiracy. Cheney was a blameless lamb. The 200 Zionist Nazis arrested and the Dancing Israelis never happened. “Nothing to see here. Move along!” ?

    Sorry they got to you too, Brecher. You, Noam Chomsky, Johan Galtung. Guess they must have threatened your family, eh? That or the trans-fats have finally addled your brain.


    Johan Galtung said on youtube video that the Israelis were the only group that might have tried to pull off a ‘lihop’ or ‘mihop’ on 911. You do the homework to find the video clip. You might learn something listening to Galtung on the way.

    Until 9/11/11, when he wrote the opposite. – Thesis 6 – pure crap –

    Thesis 6:  The conspiracy thesis of 9/11 being an inside job by USA(-Israel) to mobilize against the Muslim world is untenable.  –


    Noam Chomsky has always support the JFK lone gunmen theory. Oops, my bad, ‘lone gunman.’ (*) And also refused to consider Peter Dale Scott’s theories of groups within the elite in a ferocious battle for control. –

    – “But, I mean, it leaves intact the whole criminal structure.” “Groups within the elite in a ferocious battle for power.” Who wouldn’t battle over that much corruption?

    – Peter Dale Scott – ‘911, Left Gatekeepers, Zelikow’. – @4.05 –


    Johan Galtung, who also said on youtube video that far-right elements of the Swedish security service, SAP0, “with very intense ties to the Nazis during the war,” and ‘retired’ elements of the FBI/CIA were the most likely to be behind Olof Palme’s murder. Olof Palme, social democrat and prime minister of Sweden! The same old same old. No change there, then! (From business-as-usual for the Empire and its satraps). @ 6.35.

    Johan Galtung, a Norwegian peace activist of great renown, is _very_ insightful on Olof Palme, his remarkable ability and why the Swedish far-right and US Empire absolutely wanted to end his life.

    See Johan Galtung’s Olof Palme memorial lecture. Galtung says that he, from Norway, and Palme, from Sweden, met in their youth and knew each other.

    If you don’t know Galtung, see as many of his other youtube interviews as you can. He has an unusually accurate record on other forecasts – the ends of empires, walls, etc. ; ) –

    Interestingly, he forecasts 2011 as the year of the crash of the US dollar. Lookin’ good so far!

    Johan Galtung – Olof Palme memorial lecture in the UK –

  • 32. NIB  |  September 14th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    If (and that IS an IF) the Israelis did pull the old CI trick of letting an enemy attack a wavering ally – and half the neocon cheerleaders were dual citizen zionists anyway, then how big leap is it really from Israel “let it happen” to elements in the Bush administration “let it happen” – and frankly when its a choice of “did it” or “let it happen” – what’s the frickin’ difference?

  • 33. tam  |  September 14th, 2011 at 1:11 am


    ‘Also I know War Nerd will loathe the mention of Tom Clancy, but regardless, I believe he thought up the scenario too in one of his books written pre-9/11, where an angry Japanese guy flies a passenger airplane into the White House, I think that might have been in Executive Orders, written in 1996.’

    Good call, although I’m slightly embarrassed to admit I know that the actual plane crash into the white house happened at the end of Clancy’s crappy previous novel ‘Debt of Honour’.

    In older editions of that book there was the back cover blurb ‘with an ending so shocking and simple that you’ll wonder why no one’s done it yet!’ That’s not there in the more recent editions though…
    Meanwhile, Clancy’s been conspicuously silent about how his multi million selling book probably helped inspire 9/11

  • 34. King Mob  |  September 14th, 2011 at 1:12 am

    Thank you for writing fearlessly and getting right to the heart of the matter. This one’s on par with Orwell’s best work.

  • 35. Sick and Wrong  |  September 14th, 2011 at 1:38 am

    Pearl Harbor link is correct, although you don’t seem to realize that Roosevelt knew about the attack from at least ten sources. He also pushed for the war by imposing an oil embargo on Japan, realizing very well that it will lead to a war. And then he waited to “get dragged into WW2 by a shocking and unexpected attack”.

    The same thing happened here.

    Dolan, you’re a lousy historian, it saddens me to say.

  • 36. mad props  |  September 14th, 2011 at 1:43 am

    so if you rate them on that where does Audie Murphy settle out on the scale

  • 37. helplesscase  |  September 14th, 2011 at 1:47 am

    We had it all. We gave it all away.

  • 38. Zog  |  September 14th, 2011 at 2:16 am

    I was one of the million people that marched against the war in London. If the invasion of Iraq taught me one thing, it is that peaceful protest is a waste of energy.

  • 39. Eric  |  September 14th, 2011 at 2:59 am

    Talking about 9/11 commemoration(s), missed a mention of the 100,000s victims in Irak and Afghanistan !

  • 40. Timur The Lame  |  September 14th, 2011 at 3:17 am

    Ahh yes, John err….Gary funny article. How about sometime some time in the future war related articles about:
    1) Logistics, how long does it take to plan and execute an invasion 4000 miles away from scratch and how we did it in a month.

    2) Air defense on the East Coast, Cold War to 911. How cessna trained drunks eluded standard air security and NORAD that the Russians and Payne Stewart couldn’t for almost two hours in their first try with a 767.

    Gold, Jerry (Gary) gold I tell ya.

  • 41. vk  |  September 14th, 2011 at 3:30 am

    great one, gary

  • 42. Alan Cunningham  |  September 14th, 2011 at 4:17 am

    This is insanely great.

    Would you have advocated covert ops against AQ, or simple inattention. Bush and Obama have seen this as a military/revenge epic since for the last decade, and I’d love if they focused more on sucking the Air Supply out of the “Hate America” rhetoric. That might be naive, but it hasn’t been tried.

  • 43. Jim Buck  |  September 14th, 2011 at 5:34 am

    11/9 was bunk. This is the big 21st Century story:

  • 44. CRABS  |  September 14th, 2011 at 5:45 am

    I love that not only are people being censored in these comments, but that the replacement text is apprently written by a semi-literate.

  • 45. Hannibal  |  September 14th, 2011 at 6:26 am

    Gary Brecher:

    iconoclast. sage. poet. patriot.

    (btw, somebody needs to send this to those faggots at the dennis miller radio faggot show, andrew breitbart was there, i listened to the freebies and they were going to town on krugman’s 9/11 piece)

    fucking useless faggots i hate their faggotty faggotry

  • 46. Stephen  |  September 14th, 2011 at 6:34 am

    QUOTE=Ro:”I think the biggest result of the Bush reelection was a stark illustration to me for the first time that there are really two Americas, and we hate each other fervently. The one is perhaps best represented on the coasts, and the other is in the deep south. I know what Lincoln’s purpose was in being so magnanimous toward the South in its surrender, but sometimes I think that we are today paying the price for his magnanimity.

    What I mean is that the South never ever appreciated the kindness that was shown to them, and the terms of surrender and reconstruction just gave that secessionist, elitist element of the country plenty of breathing room to perpetuate the notion that the “South will rise again”. Maybe if Lincoln had shown some more heavy-handed tactics, maybe just done what Sherman did to Atlanta but to the whole South. Maybe if the leaders of the Confederacy had been treated as traitors, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess today”END QUOTE Yeah that would be great you could have tones of resentment from and lots of terrorist from high fertility slums produced by your harsh measures which are presumably less than total genocide. If you hate each over so much and you don’t want to do the total genocide thing I have a better idea, why not just let them secede and separate then you insult throw insults at each safely on the other side of the border both smug in the knowledge that you are in the best country on Earth without having to call those stupid rednecks or liberals your countrymen and feel ashamed of them. It is really the best solution for both parties.

  • 47. John Figler  |  September 14th, 2011 at 7:55 am

    A sour, lucid, enraged, fucking good one.

  • 48. zot23  |  September 14th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    To be fair, half the country supported the Iraq war. The other half was writing letters, protesting, and doing what it could to quell the madness. 500,000 people showing up to oppose the war isn’t trivial. For many, it was the first lesson in just how captured our press had become by the oligarchs. There was plenty of anger and dissent, you just wouldn’t know it by reviewing the headlines.

    Christ, I wish I knew what happened with Kerry. That guy was just a schlub and a half I guess, he opened his mouth and insomniacs dozed like babies.

  • 49. CensusLouie  |  September 14th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Funny, you should mention the Lone Gunman episode. I’m trying to rewatch the X-files right now but I just can’t. It’s just one big tribute to all the stupid conspiracy shit everyone was into in the 90s instead of focusing on the real problems in government.

    It’s too painful to watch. It’s all the proto Truther garbage that would eventually go on to help ruin everything.

  • 50. BlottoBonVismarck  |  September 14th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    ET TU, BRECHER – 2


    Per capita, the 3,000 dead from the US version is a rounding error in the history of the US Empire’s infliction of terror on the rest of the world. Sorry. But that’s the mathematical truth. Hard luck. Welcome to how the rest of the world feels about being murdered, bombed, shot or tortured to death in US Empire illegal wars, genocides and coups. Never mind sanctions.

    Per capita of Chile, the 3,000 murdered and 100,000 tortured in the US Empire / Rockefeller / Kissinger / Nixon / Pinochet Chile coup and fascist dictatorship were an infinitely greater crime. A US Empire crime.

    Again, the 1.7m Iraqi excess Iraqi deaths’ after the US 2003 invasion, plus the 1.0, or 1.5m, Iraqis killed by sanctions – including 500,000 children under 5 – “We think it was worth it ” – Madeline Albright, plus 400k Iraqis killed in Gulf War One, for a total of 3.6m deaths were a US Empire crime.


    But you invite us to believe an asinine 9/11 Conspiracy Theory. This 9/11 Conspiracy theory – Hilarious – 10 on a 1 to 5 scale! –

    – ‘Ignorance is Strength’ – A 9/11 Conspiracy Theory – Corbett Report –

    Never mind Peter Dale Scott who said “We don’t know what happened on 9/11. But we do know what they are covering up. Namely several very strange actions by the Vice President on the day.”

    In the corridor to the bunker. Between 9.25am and 9.50am in case you decide to return to the real-world from whatever fantasy-island your can’t / won’t-face-reality mind has crash-landed on. –

    – Peter Dale Scott – Cheney on 911 –

    Aka ‘Biggus Dickus’ (of Wome on the Potomac) — Big Oil tool and US Torture promoter – brought to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Aden, Syria, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Poland, Lithuania and many, many more —

    – Biggus Dickus – “You lucky, lucky bastard” – Monty Python – Life of Brian –


    Not so much Monty Python, then. More Nazi of WW2 Germany.

    By the same government that has caused the deaths of 12-16 million in fifty years, says Johan Galtung, or 6-20 million in their Third World War — a war _on_ third-world peasants — John Stockwell. 1.6m Iraq War – 3.6m in twenty years. 3m in Afghanistan – mostly by starvation. 6m in thirty years. Say! That sounds unhealthy! No @#$@#$ $herlock!

    John Stockwell – ‘America’s Third World War’ – 6 – 20M killed –

    Johan Galtung – the US empire has murdered 12m or 16m in forty years. “The difference is between overt murders and including covert murders by the US.” In illegal wars and genocides. –

    – “How would we know that the Empire is dead?” – Johan Galtung –


    Known to the church as the devil. Before Johan Galtung’s father was taken away to spend over a year in a Nazi concentration camp, he said that the Nazis would destroy themselves. “Why?” asked Johan. “Because they don’t know when to stop,” was the reply. Once they went down the path to radical evil, absolute evil, they were incapable of stopping, or of turning back. As are we. US. UK.


    Laurens van der Post – “We must demand psychological illumination from our politicians. Otherwise they may spar with their own shadows, projected on ‘the enemy’.

    Marie Louise von Franz – “Withdrawing our shadows from projection.” – Matter of Heart – Part 9/10, to end of Part 10 – @7:08


    “Don’t torture yourself Gomez. That’s my job!” – Addams Family Values –

  • 51. Carpenter  |  September 14th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    “It was a brilliant plan and it worked even better than Osama had planned (he admitted that later)”

    No, there is only one supposed recording of Usama saying something close to that. It goes approximately, “I got the idea for attacking the World Trade Center when I saw the buildings in Beirut being bombed.”

    That’s a couple of years in, when al-Qaeda desperately needed more funding. So if it actually was an Usama recording, it is obvious that it was to look bigger than it was. al-Qaeda never had those “secret mountain bases” we saw graphics of in the newspapers, or anything similar.

    And note, Usama didn’t say he was behind it, just that he “got the idea”. That sounds like what you say when you want to take credit but you actually had nothing to do with the thing itself.

    BEFORE THAT, Usama had said he was not behind the 9/11 hijacking. He said:

    “I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people.”
    “Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed.”

    Hosni Mubarak in Egypt and the former dictator in Pakistan, forget what his name was, both said that al-Qaeda and Usama bin Laden couldn’t possibly be behind 9/11, because their network was thoroughly infiltrated and monitored, and they didn’t have the resources needed. At the most they only had a few hundred members – al-Qaeda was meant to be a base for cooperation between different groups, not leading the groups itself (hence the name al-Qaeda, The Base).

  • 52. Flatulissimo  |  September 14th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    “You do the homework to find the video clip.”

    Sure dude, I’ll watch a million fucking twoofer or other random bullshit youtube videos just because you post them, because your comment is so well written that this would obviously be a valuable use of my fucking time.

    Where is the mightly eXiled moderator, and why is he letting BlottoBonVismarck’s comments through without re-writing them into something at least humorous?

    Oh, I forgot. I’m supposed to call to Thee in the form of a Love Gift.

  • 53. BlottoBonVismarck  |  September 14th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    I was about to say something here, but then Lee Harvey Oswald came up, unzipped his pants, and shoved the entire grassy knoll down my throat. What does it mean when a voice inside my head says “You know too much. We know where you live. We can hear you poor mother complaining about the mess you leave in the laundry room. Your mother has asked Mossad to have Lee Harvey Oswald gag you with the Grassy Knoll’s Badge Man”?

  • 54. Flatulissimo  |  September 14th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Payday ain’t ’til Friday.

    And yet, a Miracle–the Almighty eXiled Censor has smitten the commentard!

  • 55. empire in decline  |  September 14th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    I feel a strong need to respond to this.

    First, let’s get a quote from someone from history who most accurately described the feelings of those who allowed terrorists to define their destiny and give them a purpose in their meaningless lives:

    “The struggle of the year 1914 was not forced on the masses- no, by the living God-it was desired by the whole people.
    People wanted at length to put an end to the general uncertainty. Only thus can it be understood that more than two million German men and boys thronged to the colors for this hardest of all struggles, prepared to defend the flag with the last drop of their blood.”

    “Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.”

    “Thus, right at the beginning of the gigantic struggle the necessary grave undertone entered into the ecstasy- of an overflowing enthusiasm; for this knowledge alone made the national uprising more than a mere blaze of straw The earnestness was only too necessary; for in those days people in general had not the faintest conception of the possible length and duration of the struggle that was now beginning.”

    The reaction to the 9/11 was exactly the same as the reaction of all those young, dumb, surplus, expendable males every country can easily afford to lose in countries like Germany, Britain, France, and Russia after the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

    A bunch of idiot males who were bored, who didn’t want to work a shitty factory job or on a corn farm, stupid bastards who — no matter how stupid the reason — wanted to go on a melodramatic adventure with their band of brothers were far more responsible than Bush or Cheney.

    The people of this country defer responsibility to the military and act like they’re the authoritative for what we should do because the worthless civilian population doesn’t care about what happens beyond the borders of this nation. As long as a few thousand soldiers stupid enough to support these policies (and we know they do since any rightwing media pundit or politician can at will invoke the miltary at any time) and a few million foreigners who aren’t precious American citizens suffer the response from the average person in this country is to simply not care.

    All the while liberals and leftists will say “the media is propaganda, the government is oppressive, the president is a dictator, corporations, Israel, neoconservatives or some elite cabal made the people self, callous, apathetic, and hateful.” It’s all a “trick”.

    Look at Wikileaks. Just look at those liberal and leftist apologists trying to appeal to a conscience the people simply never had. The only two reactions you’re getting to a tape like the one they released of soldiers murdering Shiite peasants in that helicopter video is complete apathy, basically “Who cares” or “Look at our ubermenschen slaughtering subhuman vermin! SIEG HEIL!! Moving on…” You’re not going to get “Oh the humanity!! Our fellow human beings are suffering!!” That reaction would be based on international idealism, a way of thinking which doesn’t exist in any significant capacity in any powerful country. Even the facade of international idealism died with the Soviet Union, which is why soldiers today can masquerade as international idealists so they can inflict misery on millions who never deserved it. No actual international idealists exist to counter them since that way of thinking had its last gasp in the late 60s and early 70s.

    By the way, anyone see that tv movie Hitler: The Rise of Evil? Remember that scene where one of the very few people with a conscience is pouring over the newspaper and starts getting upset about how all everyone cares about is frivilous gossip and other petty bullshit? Then his wife says something like “You’re being just like him!” That’s how liberals are when they see someone condemn the poor wittle people who are supposedly being “tricked” by the big mean men.

    What liberals and leftists have to start understanding is that when people get into large groups their morality, intelligence, and sense of responsibility becomes diluted. The larger and more powerful the group, the worse this gets. You as an individual have nothing to apologize for when going against this group because you’re not God so you’re not responsible to for how they thing.

    If everyone is either supporting a crime, doing nothing about a crime, or participating in a crime they aren’t going to blame themselves for being horrible they’re going to hate you. Some people (I guess on the left, so I hear) are going to have to take that hit one day.

    As for Saudi Arabia, sure there are a lot of morons who care about the fact that they’re muslim but the real problem is that they’re a monarchy that imprisons or kills anyone who disagrees with them.

    Do you see a Czar in Russia? An emperor in Japan or China? A Kaiser in Germany or a king in France? Nepal just kicked out their monarchy a little while back. Notice how even in places like sub-Saharan Africa, a place with horrible rulers who exploit the shit out of their people, the only monarchy left is in Swaziland. It’s almost as if people HATE LIVING UNDER A KING WHO NEVER EARNED OR DESERVED HIS POWER!!

    Look at all those revolutions in the North Africa and the Middle East. Zawahiri just recently mentioned the fact the U.S. isn’t going against the monarchy in Saudi Arabia. That’s how Al Qaeda is getting its recruit.

    But you see, if you look at the economy, unemployment, and the price of gas, if the U.S. stood up to Saudi Arabia everyone would have to sacrifice and this country won’t sacrifice for ideals it doesn’t have.

    What do you gain if you do the right thing. You go to heaven if you die? Big fucking deal! Remember when Patton said you don’t die for your country but you make the other bastard die for his? The idea of sacrificing for an ideal is seen as being fanatically insane. If this country rationed oil supplies and lowered its standard of living to stand up for democracy nobody would tolerate it. And whose fault is that? The government? The media? The president? They can’t propose doing the right thing. They would be gone! That’s how democracy works.

    Democracy is a fine system but it’s pointless when the people don’t care. Somehow anyone who wants to do the right thing has to learn how to go against the people and what they want. Not in a manipulative way that benefits yourself but in a way that will likely destroy you.

    If you want an example of this type of person just click on this link and read what Elijah Parish Lovejoy says. I’m not religious but some liberals are idiots for alienating religious people who could do think that for people who have been forsaken by most of humanity.

    Also, for those who read down this far, ponder this: What if Al Qaeda did the smart thing and disbanded after 9/11? Do you know how fucked the U.S. military would have been in Iraq if they didn’t have a common enemy who didn’t make them look as bad by comparison? Do any of you seriously believe, given a choice, the average soldier would want Al Qaeda to go away? They were always only 5% of the insurgency but getting 5 Saudis (40% of the foreign fighters) or Egyptians, Libyans, or Yemenis would justify murdering the 95% who were legitimately fighting a foreign military violating their rights and killing them for something they had nothing to do with.

    Then these same assholes will say someone like me “supports” Al Qaeda because I’m against what U.S. soldiers are doing. I’ll admit it, I want this country to lose, but why would I want to give you the greatest gift you douchebags could possibly want, an enemy that allows you to justify abusing the weakest, poorest and most abused people on the planet?

    Oh, and the U.S. went into Iraq because this country became arrogantly stupid after its initial success in Afghanistan and wanted more blood for 9/11 but were too cowardly to go against the country that produces and finances most of the world’s terrorists as a byproduct of its corrupt, illegitimate and dictatorial rule: Saudi Arabia. The people were a bunch of screeching, primitive apelike monkeys who wanted to toss sandnigger peasant corpses into mass graves because they’re hateful pieces of shit. How’s that for a foreign policy analysis?

    All Bush and Cheney did was act as an honest accurate mirror reflection of the people’s will. Real leaders are supposed to be better than the people, not do what they want no matter how horrible and disgusting. That’s why they were shitty people, because they were in tune with the average citizen and unwilling to go against their primitive emotionalism. Leaders are supposed to keep that in check not be susceptible to it. What’s the point in having a leader if they’re just like the average citizen?

    All this being said I like you Gary and I like anyone who I think actually cares. You clearly do and that makes you a fucking miracle. Billions upon billions don’t even bother contemplating these issues seriously. When it all collapses then they’ll care and all we can do is bitterly enjoy the show in our own primitive apelike way.

  • 56. Abdullah Ole-Gunar al-Finkelstein  |  September 14th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Well spoken Brother War Nerd, Ahamdull’illa. Looks like US jumped on the wrong bus departing for Iraq by error.

    WHAT IF….?

    Saddam would still be alive? He would still be ranting and threatening – more perhaps like good ol’ Muhammar, an old toothless tiger. QUITE POSSIBLY Saddam wouldnt have survived the Arab spring.

    Regarding Afghanistan, after having whacked the Talibs, the US should have done the decent thing and just leave… and leave them in their pre-historic shambolic state. Hey Karzai Bro, here’s the key to the palace, good luck old bean! Stay in touch habibi, and godspeed!

    Instead the troops could have been redeployed to reclaim wall street and to hunt down all those greedy fuckers.

  • 57. Trevor  |  September 14th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    So am I the only one here who see’s Iraq as a success and Afghanistan as the fuck up. There is still violence in Iraq; but probably always will be. There is a democratically elected government there, and we are pumping oil which even if we hate to admit it, is a key national security interest. Afghanistan which a lot of liberals will say is the more justified war is the bigger cluster fuck. There are people who have never been out of there valley and are more radicalized with their Islam than any other part of the world and seem completely content to stay backward savages. I think the real truth here is that Americans hate the fact that securing oil is a key component of our National Security Interests, and that most of the worlds oil comes from a backward, depressed, part of the world that we unfortunately have to be in. Maybe Bush gave his cronies better non-competing contracts, but regardless of who was in office I believe we would be in the middle east one way or the other.

  • 58. internetguy  |  September 14th, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Great article, and I like some of the comments including the previous long one. I don’t have a lot to argue with what you so entertainingly set out, nor do I want to stage a whole “9/11 Truth” battle here, but let me just insert something more than a straw man into the fray…

    The controlled demolition theories distract from the much more established “preknowledge, failure to intercept, and cover-up” facts. Dozens of specific warnings (Bin Laden group plans to hijack aircraft and fly them into important/govt buildings… sometime in the late summer of 2001) were issued from multiple nation’s intelligence agencies. Despite claims that “it was impossible to know what to believe” there is a remarkable and rare consistency to the warnings.

    Despite claims that “Bush did give the order” to shoot down on 9/11, the White House phone records were DESTROYED from that day, and the Air Force has prohibited fighter pilots in the air that day from speaking to media on grounds of “national security.”

    The 9/11 Commission was fiercely opposed and then stacked and sabotaged by the White House, with the “findings” of the Commission considered a “sick joke” by the 9/11 victims families who had pushed for it’s creation.

    I would also like to direct truth-seekers attention to the ANTHRAX incidents beginning the week after 9/11, which were arguable MORE important than 9/11 in galvanizing support for war against Iraq. The FBI now admits the anthrax came from US govt labs, but pinned the attacks on a researcher who had committed suicide, a story considered unbelievable even by many high-ranking govt officials from both parties.

    The fact that the govt-lab anthrax was used specifically to target and convert anti-war politicians and media figures (successfully), as well as expand the feeling of terror to all Americans as “something that could happen to YOU” makes it a much more fruitful source of info about govt. use of false flag attacks as their “New Pearl Harbor” to allow the massive destruction and profit-making that followed.

    Don’t be fooled by the “exciting” but disprovable “controlled demolition” and “no hijackers” nonsense. Much less efforts were needed on the part of much fewer people (Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld alone would seem to be enough) to perpetrate the “conspiracy.”

    Thoughts? (And I don’t mean to distract from the bigger issues of US militarism being both the original cause and the counter-productive “solution”.)

  • 59. Jose  |  September 14th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    I fully expect a ‘Hitler’ like figure to rise from US politics within the next few years. The truth is when people become scared they become stupid and right now very few in America are thinking straight because ‘Fall of Empire’ might actually happen. Actually it was happening since the 70s and people were just so damn optimistic.

  • 60. Heron  |  September 14th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    A most excellent post. If only compliments could change the past :/

    As a personal aside, I’m right there with you on the nationalism issue. I remember trying to read Pirates and Emperors back in 2000 and just finding it too condescending to even get through the prologue. I read it now and I wonder why I ever had a problem with its arguments and tone. What followed September 11th destroyed the Union I grew up in and loved.

  • 61. Eurotrash  |  September 14th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Oh, the Empire, the Empire, our lovely Empire! “Georgii Bushe, legiones redde!”

    Cry me a fucking river, Brecher. I still remember that day – a nice, sunny day in my city – and I remember grinning when I saw it happen. A disbelieving, delighted, ear-to-ear grin, if I’m honest with you. I meet a lot of people from across Europe and the world, and the truth is, while some were too polite (or cautious) to gloat, none were entirely displeased. “Fuck you America, you deserved it” – those were the feelings of the majority, not whatever pious “we stand by you on this tragic…” rubbish got recited by our leaders.

    Oh, and it wasn’t because of W. The poor sucker had barely registered. No, it was you. All of you septics. Ah God, good times.

  • 62. TrangleC  |  September 14th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    @ 12. Jose:

    Yeah, “Freedom Fries”.

    I also remember a TV report about a Belgian pizza restaurant owner who refused to serve French and German customers because their governments dared to oppose the invasion of Iraq.

    How much I would have loved to see a follow-up report on that asshole in 2005 or 2006.

  • 63. super390  |  September 14th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Cheney’s 2004 remarks were probably just parroting his boss to cover his ass. Bush Senior made very similar comments after leaving office. Cheney spent the following years working hard to construct a “common knowledge” about Iraq that was false; flying Iraqi exiles into Congressional hearings, organizing Neocons into PNAC to saturate the DC insiders with the agreeably cynical notion that conquering Iraq and Iran would ensure perpetual American hegemony worldwide.

    Perhaps his evil urges became more urgent because he learned at Halliburton how tight future oil supplies were getting. In ’99 as its CEO he gave a speech warning of the danger that the state oil companies (Iraq, Iran, Saudi and Russia) would impede a big expansion in demand in the next decade. That fit with his strategy as crypto-president: remove Desert One from Saudi to protect the King’s legitimacy, move it to conquered Iraq and use it as a base to overthrow Iran, while screwing over Russia by building the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan pipeline to Israel-friendly Turkey and filling it with vast new supplies from a co-opted Central Asia.

    Boy, he was a total failure, wasn’t he?

    Oops–wait a minute, the fact that we lost the Iraq War and the country is controlled by Iran whom Cheney didn’t overthrow, and that Russia didn’t get “screwed over” nearly half as badly as Cheney did when he lost Yukos to Putin–and with it, the world’s 4th largest oil producer–and that Turkey is no longer Israel-friendly at all, in fact they’re practically at war these days, and America’s relations with Turkey are also at their all-time low thanks to Cheney–so yeah, he was a total failure after all, he was.

  • 64. super390  |  September 14th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    #6 and 46:

    We keep falling into the racist trap of assuming that secession represented the “view” or “rights” of the entire South when in fact whites were only a part of the South, and were themselves divided on the issue.

    For the abolitionists, tolerating secession meant condemning 4 million Americans to a South that would no longer have anything holding back racist whites. Given that slavery was actually getting meaner as it got bigger and more industrialized, and Southerners were already looking into the idea of using slaves in factories (like Hitler or the current US prison industry), it’s understandable that the abolitionists preferred war.

    The South was no democracy; its poorer inland whites were deprived of a voice in the secession madness, and many of them took up arms against the Confederacy.

    Which takes us to what the Union really did wrong after the Civil War, and what Americans keep doing wrong; they viewed the enemy as monolithic. Most of us just don’t seem to want to sweat the details of understanding the politics of an enemy society. The problem wasn’t that of punishing the South, but realizing that there was no South to punish, only a system artificially created under an oligarchy to keep opposition weak and divided. A few abolitionists had the guts to join the Freedman’s Bureau, which went to the post-war South to help freed slaves. They realized that they could not help them unless they also helped the poor, disenfranchised whites as well. The one group was imported for the purpose of keeping the other group trapped in the role of henchman, completely dependent on the slave system yet getting only the benefit of sadism as a way of life. That culture of violence, supremacism and worship of local oligarchs had to be broken up, and in fact we have failed to do that up to our own time. Thus the Tea Party.

  • 65. super390  |  September 14th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    The biggest issue of this article is the outcome of the American experiment. The far right keeps talking about the infallibility of the Founding Fathers’ opinions and prejudices, even though said men intentionally cemented in place ways to amend the laws to account for Progress, which they also had faith in. Yet the right never even considers the implication of the word “experiment”. It implies uncertainty, radical change, and the possibility of failure. The right sees the American of 1789 as fully perfected and everything since as a degradation. Not surprising given that in 1789 few Americans actually had the right to vote, which is the condition that the right is really pimping to return.

    I’m afraid that now we don’t have a spirit of experimentation other than to bring back the worst practices of primitive capitalism as something new and shiny. Until about 1970 or so, Americans usually had a vision about what their country would look like in the future, though it was amended over time. People had visions of women being able to vote, free education, electricity in every county, and a lot of stupider ideas involving hamburgers. Some of those ideas actually built a consensus and got enacted.

    Try finding that now. It’s as if the post-WW2 boom brought so many dreams to reality so quickly that we became like fairy tale characters fighting over a wishing lamp. One side, so recently inflicted by the Depression, simply wanted infinitely growing mountains of More Stuff. The other side wanted to find the meaning of freedom now that survival could be taken for granted.

    Yes, the More Stuff guys won, but for the first time ever, their victory meant the idealism of other Americans was truly crushed. One without the other produced Hunter Thompson’s generation of swine. A list to Santa is not a vision for social solidarity.

    And sickest joke of all, once we had nothing left but the More Stuff fantasy, we all gave away everything to whomever promised the quickest return, and all of it has made it more impossible for us to afford the necessities that the post-Depression generation took for granted: shipping our jobs overseas to get a pathetic boost on our stocks, letting the polluters and bankers back out of their cages so they wouldn’t move overseas, trickle-down economics. Without a vision of the future founded on improving life for a broad swath of Americans, we have zero incentive to defer gratification for a better long-term reward. Get ‘er done!

  • 66. hoyeru  |  September 14th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    crybaby-est comment ever on an article the War nerd–thankfully I cried so much on my keyboard that the comment got deleted and now I can’t think straight enough to remember what it was.

  • 67. DrunktankDan  |  September 14th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    @61 Fuck you, Eurotrash faggot. Your lucky US and NATO(same fucking thing) was/is around to protect your pussy ass from Mother Russia taking your central heating away. And helping to liberate continental Europe not all that long ago.
    Why don’t you wipe Uncle Sam’s jizz off your face before you try pointing your finger and laughing at him.
    Okay, now that my knee-jerk jingoism is out of the way. . .we kinda did have that one coming. Still not okay to say it out loud though (as evidenced by your own leaders offering to blow us after the towers. . .sniff. . .the towers fell)

  • 68. Jose  |  September 14th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Let’s face it. In 2008 the Democrats, then Americans and then the world (that might be the other way around though) fell for a really good ad. Hillary might of had balls.

  • 69. rick  |  September 14th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    The jetliner crash into a stadium also happened in my first short story, when I was 9. I think I watched “Die Hard” and had also been to a baseball game. It suggested itself. Some neurosis in me couldn’t quite grasp how people didn’t suddenly, almost always turn cars off into canyons, compulsively. I worried about tourette’s terrorism and pilots deciding to crash into skyscrapers every day, as a little kid. It’s so fucking obvious.

  • 70. rossiya  |  September 14th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    I bought a loaf of bread that expired on 9/11. But it didn’t collapse in it’s own footprint, or pancake. I think Nazi Pope has the right idea: communion wafers with Jesus juice. No risk of implosion and I feel safer now. Also it’s supposed to be the transubstantiated flesh of a dead zombie Jew, which is kinda cool.

  • 71. klus  |  September 14th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Please Gary never mention 9/11 again and especially who is responsible….like Wendt said about the UFO…you can know them only by not asking what they are…so let’s all follow his advice and not talk about who did what on that day…out of respect for those with IQ higher than the room’s temperature….if that doesn’t do the trick then let’ s count the towers 1,2, 7…..and talk about what brings us, the war nerds,together…war.
    With respect,

  • 72. darthfader  |  September 15th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Good piece, Gary. That’s the problem with this BOOGA BOOGA SAUDI ARABIA DID IT crap coming out of fascists like Pam Geller: the real story is that the Saudi royals paid off al-Qaeda because it made perfect sense for them to do so. It had shit-all to do with us. The skinheads just think that oh, al-Qaeda hates America, that’s obviously the most important thing to everyone including the Saudis, so bingo, we found the secret lords of 9/11. But people have bigger problems than us.

    There was no Pam Geller style conspiracy, of course. America just wasn’t well liked before 9/11 and it’s not well liked after it and the fact that al-Qaeda wanted to kill Americans didn’t matter as much to the Saudis as handling a domestic constituency problem.

    Right before 9/11, the Crown Prince (now King) of Saud wrote Bush a letter telling him that if America wanted to keep supporting Israel as they mowed down Palestinian kids, then America and Saudi Arabia would go their separate ways on the national stage.

    The only thing that 9/11 did was change the short game for the Saud family. The long game is still the same, and to them, it’s all about them. We’re just intruders on their peninsula.

  • 73. True Kilcloonian  |  September 15th, 2011 at 1:35 am

    I remember the excitement I felt when I saw those towers fall and the sick sadness when I realised that it was Muslims who had crashed those planes.

    Where are the Weathermen or the Black Panthers? Why can’t America clean itself.

    Still at least 700 employees of Cantor Fitzgerald were killed and that must have included at least 100 masters of the Universe.

    100 Masters of the Universe and 3000 ordinary Joes that’s just collateral damage and a price well worth paying. (As long as I don’t pay it for course!)

  • 74. Machak  |  September 15th, 2011 at 2:51 am

    Oh, yes. I remember that day.
    A nice, lovely, warm late-summer day.
    I also remember pathetic whining that started the very same moment an airliner hit one of those towers.
    I also remember cackling with glee, and I’m not the only one.
    Months later, I met a few more ex-Yugoslavs like me and we all had the same reaction.
    “Fuck’em. They had it coming.”
    I’m only sorry that the same thing didn’t happen to fucking Krauts or Brit inbreds.
    I would also like to say that it’s been fun watching you dipshits fall into bits during this decade. It was most enjoyable and I’ll have even more fun watching EU implode.
    I have nothing more to lose, ’cause I already lost my job, my health insurance and my future to quislings, NATO and IMF. And so did you assholes, even if you don’t admit it.
    Burn in hell, motherfuckers.

  • 75. mad props  |  September 15th, 2011 at 4:24 am

    also yes things are fucked but perhaps you might offer suggestions on what to do.

    would that be feasible?

  • 76. Kev  |  September 15th, 2011 at 4:25 am

    Don’t worry War Nerd, the Aussie public are just as bloody gullible as the U.S public. We had the whole thing rammed down our throat, and god forbid if you said anything contrary to the official line to anyone.

  • 77. Empire? What empire?  |  September 15th, 2011 at 4:49 am

    I am so sick and tired of people gloating about / lamenting the impending fall of the American “empire”.

    People, please: we are witnessing the beginning of the collapse of the American REPUBLIC. The empire hasn’t even started yet. And it will be glorious!

    Imagine how much easier Iraq would have been if, instead of struggling to install puppets, America had started *eliminating* the indigenous population and replacing it with colonists — millions of screeching, bible-thumping Southern Baptists, perhaps — and getting down to harvesting all of that delicious oil?

    Who would stop the U.S.? Which nation, from the handful of nuclear powers, would risk its entire civilian population in a nuclear exchange with the U.S. in order to save a foreign country’s population? When the U.S. populace simply shrugs and says, “you want to dance? We’ll be in heaven after we die. Go ahead and launch the missiles– see what happens. God is on our side, after all.”

    Anybody with two brain cells to rub together should hope & pray that the faltering American republic toddles along for as long as humanly possible. Like any proper sequel, America 2 will up the body-count to the point that the first installment will look like it was a kids’ film.

  • 78. swr  |  September 15th, 2011 at 5:32 am

    Anybody with two brain cells to rub together should hope & pray that the faltering American republic toddles along for as long as humanly possible. Like any proper sequel, America 2 will up the body-count to the point that the first installment will look like it was a kids’ film.

    The Soviet Empire was as ruthless as you say the American empire is going to be. It still collapsed.

    There was no political correctness in Afghanistan in the 1980s, no “liberal” press causing trouble (not that there’s any “liberal” press causing trouble for the USA in Iraq). The Russians were willing to bomb Chechnya into a moonscape.

    Yet Russia is still a third world shithole.

  • 79. TrangleC  |  September 15th, 2011 at 5:50 am

    @ 77. Empire? What empire?:

    The problem with that idea would be that if the US Empire would go off doing stuff like that, the Chinese, the Russians and others would probably too and I think their ability to stomach bloody conventional warfare, take losses and even risk a nuclear war surpasses the US ability by far.

    You are giving the Southern Baptists too much credit if you think they have anything on those Orthodox holy men in their Holy Motherland Russia or Confucius’ many, many children.

    Besides, not too long from now it will rather be latin Catholics than southern WASP Baptists calling the shots in the USA, empire or republic.

  • 80. Eurotrash  |  September 15th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    @67 Well shit pardnah, I’m just shootin’ from the hip. We’re all out of cake and grief counseling here in Central Heating Land, but if friendly 9/11 joshing upsets maybe you’d best hide under your mum’s huge, tent-like skirt.

    9/11 is the only funny thing an Arab’s ever done. Even you admit the slap was richly deserved and highly profitable to mankind. Now, you don’t have to jack off to the thought of the towers falling for two weeks, but if you could only try to see the funny side… Anyway, what with the New American Century being a busted flush and all, you’ll need all the humour you can muster.

  • 81. Sakevi  |  September 15th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    since the limey empire fell, and their cities turned into slums for their former victims- you can understand how they have adapted well in finding the humour in these kinds of things.

  • 82. Phoenix Woman  |  September 15th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Thanks, War Nerd.

    Oh, and by the way, for the Truthers: All metals, including steel, weaken substantially well before they melt. That’s why blacksmiths stick metal into a furnace and pull it out well before it’s actually melted, then bang on it before it cools.

  • 83. Phoenix Woman  |  September 15th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    One of the lessons of 9/11—the actual lessons, not the ones they talk about—is that countries are more powerful than Man from U.N.C.L.E. conspiracies. If you’re attacked by an actual country, like Imperial Japan, you’ve got a problem; if you’re attacked by a nutters’ club like Al Qaeda, you’d be better off taking a Xanax and getting back to business. We’d have saved a lot of lives and money if we’d just ignored 9/11.

    Uh-huh. As Doug “Pericles” Muder states, the whole point of 9/11 was to provoke an armed response. It failed the first time Al-Qaeda tried it back in the early ’90s: Bill Clinton treated it as a crime, not an act of war, and got most of the perps rounded up toot sweet without pissing off all of our allies.

    But under Bush, with the PNAC Platoon whose spiritual advisor was none other than Iranian operative, grifter extraordinaire and convicted felon Ahmad Chalabi (gee, anyone else think seeing Iran’s most powerful foes at each other’s throats might make Iran reeeeeally happy?), it worked like a charm.

  • 84. Jack Boot  |  September 15th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    @ 77
    Spot on!

    The only remotely competent US Gov’t agency is the Pentagon; & the only competitive US manufacturers are the defense contractors.

    How long before some silver-tongued Caesar decides to mobilize a wasting asset?

    Ere long, a fleet of V-22s shall alight ’round the Capitol. Leading a squad of Praetorians, resplendent in titanuim/ceramic powered armour, Julius shall stride into the Senate Chamber.

    Silencing the babble with a machine-gun burst into the ceiling, he shall mount the podium and announce urbi et orbi: “The politics of money – have ended! The politics of blood – have begun!!”

    The mob shall doubtless cheer – at least at first…

  • 85. Eurotrash  |  September 15th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    @77, @84

    “Well, huh, just you wait, now we’ll be even worse!”

    Oh please, America, don’t act out. What are you, a slapped teenager? Whose house you gonna toilet paper next, you sulky gargantuan man-child?

    Mind you, @77, @84, I can see your point. You can’t imagine America getting better. I can’t, either.

  • 86. Buster Mountebank  |  September 15th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    I love your comment about the “Blame Game”. Makes me imagine Hermann Georing at Nuremburg saying something like this,

    “Let’s no bicker and argue about who killed who..”

    Respectfully I disagree about 9/11. I think some people at the top knew something was afoot. Hell the famous Presidental Daily Briefing that got so much notoriety was all the tip off Bush needed. It’s only a shock he acted so dumbfounded when they broke the news.

  • 87. rhinohorn  |  September 15th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Dear War Nerd and All,

    I am surprised at your naivity about the Israeli involvement or lack of it.
    I am ready to be convinced, that Al Qaeda are Islamists, and they pulled off 9/11-if only you would answer a few questions.

    1. How come Adam Gadahn, “Azzam the American”, the spokesperson of Al-Qaeda is a Jewish American?
    2. Can you explain away the controversies of the Al Qaeda/As Sahab Media videos and Osama Bin Laden videos and the involvement of SITE IntelGroup and IntelCenter, both of which belong to dual American/Israeli citizens?
    3. How come the Al Qaeda cell busted in 2002 Gaza by Palestinian Authorities turned out to be Mossad?
    4. Do not you think the Mista’aravim pseudo-terrorist units of the Israelis, trained to impersonate Muslim terrorists and carry out false-flag terrorist attacks, can very well be Al Qaeda?
    You can convince me otherwise with solid facts and logical arguments, if you have such. Name-calling like “conspiracy theorist” or “anti-semite” do not play. I mean they do play, they play big-time, but still, they don’t play because I say they don’t. And in my sandbox, my rules are my rules
    Oh shit–wait a minute. I didn’t just write that last sentence. Who wrote it? Who is the Exiled Moderator? Ah…oh wait, I get it now. The Moderator is also a…you know…you know which people I’m talking about, you know? If I say it, you’ll call me anti-semite, which remember doesn’t play in my sandbox. I guess this means I should add one more final and devastating point to my air-tight argument:
    5. The missing seconds in the Pentagon explosion video were taken by a camera made by a firm whose parent company is Exiled Moderators of Zion, registered in the Hague. Coincidence?
    So? Anyone?

  • 88. Cum  |  September 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    Once again its all spot on. I wonder if years from now, when I’m 60 and the US empire has finally been eclipsed, I’ll look back on these days of bitching about our incompetent leaders in the exile on my iphone and think “wow what a luxurious life.”. Because its all downhill from here.

    PS the war nerd book was great A++++ would read again.

  • 89. Derp  |  September 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Derp! I miss all ya’ll 9/11 victims so much! Derp….. 🙁

  • 90. Rehmat  |  September 15th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Good stuff but wrong conclusions. Forget what Dr. M or OBL or Abe Foxman or Ahmadinejad say. Just use your judgement and figure out who really gained from 9/11 tragedy or as Benji Netanyahu predicted on Sept. 11, 2001 – “It’s goodth for Israel”.

    As for Al-Qaeda – all the Al-qaedas which have been traced in Palestine, Yemen, Iraq and lately in Libya – are funded by the US or Israel.

    The Puerto Rico-born William Rodriguez, a maintenance worker at World Trade Center, was the last person to escape from North Tower of WTC on September 11, 2001. According to official records he saved 15 people from WTC building during the terrorist attacks.

    What makes William Rodriguez’s story so unique is that not only he was the last person to come out alive the WTC but also he had the keys to the building. His exclusive story as narrated by Richard Reopke totally negates the official 9/11 story and the ’9/11 Commission Report’. Rodriguez says that WTC was blown-up by bombs planted in the basement of the building even before the first so-called ‘hijacked plane’ hit the Tower. Watch a video below.

  • 91. gary  |  September 15th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    i was in s.f. when bush was was rainy and the city was quiet and in shock…he got 14% of the vote,slightly ahead of naders 12%…..i blame katrina..if she had come one year earlier maybe the suckers would have seen the real bush in time

  • 92. Jose  |  September 15th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    The majority of Americans are stupid. Hitherto America is stupid. Learn to accept your stupidity and stop living in denial.

  • 93. DrunktankDan  |  September 15th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Oh Eurotrash. . .
    I don’t really give a fuck. I was just drunk and loaded on Toby Keith. Good luck with your crumbling union and wish us the best of luck with our crumbling empire. I honestly worry that we will have a big, ugly death spasm that will hurt the rest of the world on our way down, but in the meantime I am just trying to make my money, get off the grid and secure my survival necessities. Also, those fuckers that got blasted did have it coming, but the average American dumbfuck (like myself) really has no control over their foreign policy, so I really don’t think we deserve to die.
    Shit, maybe we do. Where’s my beer?

  • 94. DrunktankDan  |  September 15th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Oops, guess that last one was @85
    It would be nice if the comment format allowed direct responses but this is the EXILED and we must bow before the mighty moderator before we even think of criticizing this most holy of publications. Thank you O lord. As an apostle of Dolan, I beseech thee! Of this humble drunken servant, what doth thee desire? Women? Drugs? Felonies?
    Let me know almighty lord!

  • 95. Cum  |  September 16th, 2011 at 2:04 am

    Hey, it would be awesome if the exile had a straight up forums community, but that would require more donations or a membersbip fee. Anyways there have been some really entertaining comments for this article

  • 96. Zog  |  September 16th, 2011 at 2:14 am

    Jesus Christ, this comment thread is a gift that keeps on giving.

  • 97. Rehmat  |  September 16th, 2011 at 4:18 am

    Every waking hour of my life i sit at home thinking about Jews. Jews, Jews, Jews. They’re everywhere, man.

  • 98. Jack Boot  |  September 16th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    Jews are news…

  • 99. franc black  |  September 16th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Thank you for the article … I just might donate to the Exile again, although I’m still waiting for a token ‘thank you’ from whomever received my dough …

    The comments section – apart from some verbal diarrhea, negative ranting, and banal paranoia – is a great read. Thanks to all who contribute.

    Now, with respect the contents of the article, the ‘American Way of Life’ involves a level of consumption far beyond what is needed. Look at obesity stats and the size of Ford truck engines for some indicators on that.
    The crazy part is that America cannot produce enough to maintain this consumption and cannot afford to obtain it through fair trade, so the physical, social, and economic bullying that we see ALL OVER THE WORLD become cornerstones of this doomed system.

    9/11 was a very small amount of blowback when you consider all of the humans that have been murdered, maimed, starved, beaten, etc… in order to feed the American Glutton. That big pig is going to make alot more stink as it rots.

  • 100. Marsovka  |  September 16th, 2011 at 9:38 am
    Dude srly, you shouldn’t rant before you check the facts
    That video above is short version
    This videio is long version, doesn’t contains Alex Jones but mike rupert one of the most accurate up to date bastard that rarely make mistake and has 80 per cent accuracsy about the stuff he predicts
    Knock yourself out
    If you manage to tear apart his evidence step by step there is 1000 dolars award for it.

    And the guy is a former cop so he present the evidence as in front of a jury not some spin rumblings,
    And dude please o PLEASE next time don’t be such a sissy and let the coments in their original form or just delete him.
    I hope someone in the administration has a balls to let the this comment on.
    Pozdrav od Makedonija .
    Amerikanski picki .

  • 101. Rehmat  |  September 16th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Anyone who still has some doubts about 9/11 – he/she should listen to Emily Church who was one of the five ‘non-believers’ of 9/11 official story – BBC field to brainwash her.

  • 102. DrunktankDan  |  September 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    @Cum, all
    Dude, a forum community? On here? That would be fucking insane. . .every dipshit paranoid drug abusing leftist and/or anarchist screaming vitriol at each other about absolute nonsense conspiracy theories?

    I’m in. Who do I pay and where do I sign?

  • 103. Griffin  |  September 16th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Brilliant. Every Fucking Word.

  • 104. Anathame  |  September 16th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Someone spoke his opinion on 9/11? Send in the Truther clowns.

  • 105. Zoner  |  September 16th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    I like that Mongol queen book too, kind of a sequel to Weatherford’s earlier book about Genghis. James P. Delgado’s “Khubilai Khan’s Lost Fleet” is also an interesting read. It’s about the two failed invasions of Japan, and compares them to the failed invasions of Vietnam and Java. You don’t hear as much about the other two because the Vietnamese and Indonesians didn’t make up some bullshit religious story about it, they were used to fighting off shitheads trying to occupy their territory. As fierce as the Mongols were on the steppes of Asia and Europe, they sucked ass at sea and on land that’s no good for horses (plus Khublai was no Genghis, both in martial prowess and in strategic ability).

  • 106. super390  |  September 16th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    The Exile Moderator improved my post #63 above:

    “Oops–wait a minute, the fact that we lost the Iraq War and the country is controlled by Iran whom Cheney didn’t overthrow, and that Russia didn’t get “screwed over” nearly half as badly as Cheney did when he lost Yukos to Putin–and with it, the world’s 4th largest oil producer–and that Turkey is no longer Israel-friendly at all, in fact they’re practically at war these days, and America’s relations with Turkey are also at their all-time low thanks to Cheney–so yeah, he was a total failure after all, he was.”

    I want to thank you for improving my post because..,because, well, actually my mom wrote the post for me. Just want to say that I assumed that mom knew about every one of the facts you mentioned, and I did mean that Cheney was a total failure for exactly those reasons. So my mom reacted over sarcasm that did not really exist, and underestimated your readers’ awareness of what is pretty much common knowledge among this crowd. So I’m sorry about my mom commenting on this site. Won’t happen again.

  • 107. rhinohorn  |  September 16th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    “Who is the Exiled Moderator? Ah…oh wait, I get it now. The Moderator is also a…you know…you know which people I’m talking about, you know?”
    Yeah, I pegged you long ago as Juden. I mean, how hard it is to get? You did not exactly made it that hard for me.
    1. The obvious contempt of and looking down on the average American citizens aka. the dumb goyim masses. Typical Jew.
    2. “Class War” and assorted shit preached on the site. In 1956 we hanged those “Class War”-preaching Commie Jews from the lamp-posts on Köztársaság Square.
    3. Ready to put the blame of 9/11 and the disastrous Middle-East wars on the shabos-goyim leaders of America leadership like Bush, but not once mentioning the whole NeoCohen enchillada, defending Israel and the Jews to the hilt.
    You American Jews are more disgusting back-stabbing traitors than the German Jews ever were in 1918.
    Fucking kike scum. Period.

  • 108. TJ  |  September 16th, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Good read, I sympathize.

    It took a while for the alex Jones nuts to seep out of the floorboards, but glad to see they are still alive and kicking.

  • 109. rhinohorn  |  September 16th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Part 2.

    I nearly forgot.

    4. The non-stop anti-Christian sentiments. Typical Jew, can not help himself.
    You may play the white man for a while, but the J-factor always kicks in. Sooner or later the Americans will realise what you are doing, like the Germans did or us. We shot the Juden into the Danube in 1944 for example.
    And then, its the cattle-trains for you, motherfuckers, and Adios kike scum!

  • 110. Eurotrash  |  September 17th, 2011 at 3:57 am

    @81 You’re not wrong, Sakevi. The British weren’t noted for comedy back when Britain ruled the world. Mr Bean? Not the first association. The natives rarely giggled when a union jack hove into view – cursed or shat their grass skirts, maybe. Back home, levity was frowned upon, the Irish were getting a slapping, the Scots were never much for jokes, and the English… you ever read any of Dickens’ or Shakespeare’s comedies?

    Now the whole island’s a water closet, it’s absurdist humour and wry wit everywhere you look.

    Make that switch to the type B mindset, my fat sherman cousins. Don’t burn and rave like Brecher. Go gentle into that good night.

  • 111. Byron  |  September 17th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    One of your best. I hate the crappy dramatic stuff, too. Like when neighbors or classmates gather to light candles and stack up teddy bears and cry and hug when some local dies. And they always glance around to make sure the cameras are getting them. Fags.

  • 112. Junkie Joe  |  September 17th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    FUCK. I live in Austin and I’m fucking SICK AND TIRED of these infowars motherfuckers. Cut the bullshit!

    Cheers exiled!

  • 113. dominic  |  September 17th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Hey Zoner

    do you think there is any truth to the claim that the bows started to warp and come apart when the Mongols went further west into Europe? I am a student of history, but for me the mongols are more a fascination than a group i’ve studied, but anyway when I asked a collegue of mine if he thinks the Mongols could’ve conquered Europe, he said no and gave that reason. He elaborated, saying the steppe and middle east were arid and dry, wheras Europe is more moist.

    The other thing he said that makes a lot of sense, and could probably be applied to Vietnam, is that Europe, beyond Hungary, was mostly forested, which pretty much renders the Mongols fighting tactics inoperable. He went on to say that the Mongols were probably disenterested in the forests of western Europe when they had the spoils of the Middle East and China.

    What do you make of that? I’ve often had very titlating fantasies of the Mongols wiping out the Europeans, leaving a wilderness, and galloping back to the steppe, with nary a thought or folk-tale about the once populated continent…

  • 114. Cum  |  September 17th, 2011 at 11:46 pm


    Well, there was a forum called Laissez Faire on Something Awful for a few years but it was closed after an enthusiastic clown declared that he wanted to kill the president, at which point the SS got involved and the admins shut down the forum. We loved the exile over there. I’m guessing that an exile forums community would end in a similar fashion.

    But having a small membership fee could help filter out some of the white noise, and since racist trolls and kochbots would get banned and have to pay again every time they want to poison the discourse, it helps cover the bandwidth costs.

  • 115. Rehmat  |  September 18th, 2011 at 4:44 am

    @Super 390

    “We” did not loose Iraq to Iran – but “we” would once it get free of ZOG in Washington. Afghanistan is already set to follow that path. Why? Because “we”, the aliens invaded those countries for Israel and greed while Iran has a common religion and history with Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen and Lebanon.

    Cheney, like any other American political leader – was a Zionist stooge. His actions were also based on his stupidity and hatred toward Muslims.

  • 116. Cernunnos  |  September 18th, 2011 at 8:18 am


    As a non-Jew, Irish-German atheist, I feel the need to respond to this. I know the right likes to simplify their enemies into a homogenous mass that makes it easier to digest for their uncritical minds, but I think you fail in quit a few assumptions here.

    1. The obvious contempt of and looking down on the average American citizens aka. the dumb goyim masses. Typical Jew.

    I’m not Jewish and I feel the same way. Next please.

    2. “Class War” and assorted shit preached on the site. In 1956 we hanged those “Class War”-preaching Commie Jews from the lamp-posts on Köztársaság Square.

    What is it with thinking that all Leftists, Marxists, Socialists, Communists, etc. are Jewish? Just because Marx was a Jew? Are all right-wingers French monarchists? Fucking frogs. Or are you guys a bunch of spikehead kraut pieces of shit? See how much sense this makes?

    . Ready to put the blame of 9/11 and the disastrous Middle-East wars on the shabos-goyim leaders of America leadership like Bush, but not once mentioning the whole NeoCohen enchillada, defending Israel and the Jews to the hilt.
    You American Jews are more disgusting back-stabbing traitors than the German Jews ever were in 1918.
    Fucking kike scum. Period.

    And additionally, what’s with this bizarre fantasy that all Jews act with a hive mind? Is it unfathomable that some Jews are ALSO
    4. The non-stop anti-Christian sentiments. Typical Jew, can not help himself.
    You may play the white man for a while, but the J-factor always kicks in. Sooner or later the Americans will realise what you are doing, like the Germans did or us. We shot the Juden into the Danube in 1944 for example.
    And then, its the cattle-trains for you, motherfuckers, and Adios kike scum!

  • 117. Cernunnos  |  September 18th, 2011 at 8:30 am


    As a non-Jew, Irish-German atheist, I feel the need to respond to this. I know the right likes to simplify their enemies into a homogenous mass that makes it easier to digest for their uncritical minds, but I think you fail in quit a few assumptions here.

    1. The obvious contempt of and looking down on the average American citizens aka. the dumb goyim masses. Typical Jew.

    I’m not Jewish and I feel the same way. Next please.

    2. “Class War” and assorted shit preached on the site. In 1956 we hanged those “Class War”-preaching Commie Jews from the lamp-posts on Köztársaság Square.

    What is it with thinking that all Leftists, Marxists, Socialists, Communists, etc. are Jewish? Just because Marx was a Jew? Are all right-wingers French monarchists? Fucking frogs. Or are you guys a bunch of spikehead kraut pieces of shit? See how much sense this makes?

    And you don’t have to be a Jew to understand Class War, but it’s obvious the right would like to deny that class privilege even exists. Don’t worry, you’ll get your day hanging from that lamppost as well.

    3. Ready to put the blame of 9/11 and the disastrous Middle-East wars on the shabos-goyim leaders of America leadership like Bush, but not once mentioning the whole NeoCohen enchillada, defending Israel and the Jews to the hilt.
    You American Jews are more disgusting back-stabbing traitors than the German Jews ever were in 1918.
    Fucking kike scum. Period.

    And additionally, what’s with this bizarre fantasy that all Jews act with a hive mind? Is it unfathomable that some Jews are ALSO rightwing and authoritarian while some Jews oppose Israel’s policies?

    Apparently you don’t understand the psychology of Christian fundamentalism (Christian fucktardism) that pervades the politics in this country. The Bushies and other theocrats don’t really care that much about Jews. They are convenient Middle East Allies. What they really care about is good ‘ol Jerusalem because it’s a central part of their bullshit religion (don’t worry, I think Judaism is bullshit too, mein Fuhrer) and they want it in good American-friendly hands.

    4. The non-stop anti-Christian sentiments. Typical Jew, can not help himself.

    What’s so great about Christianity? Christian fucktards like yourself have infested and ruined all corners of the globe in greater numbers and with greater devastation than the Jews you’re so scared of could ever hope to. Fuck Christianity and fuck you, you Christ-humping scumbag.

  • 118. Onfire  |  September 18th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Now you make 9/11 sound like the holohoax…maybe i should try and cash in the 9/11 stuff as well?

  • 119. rhinohorn  |  September 19th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    @117 Cernunnos

    As War Nerd used to say, we are tribal critters. There are billions of peoples fucking about on this rock which hurdles through space and turning non-stop under us, so to deal with and evaluate every person individually is a luxury which is impossible to begin with. Generalization is normal human behaviour, and we can not choose our gender, race, ethnicity (and at some places our religion, too), but we are born with it. Not sticking to our tribe and not working to further our own tribes’ interests is personal and tribal suicide. It has nothing to do with having critical minds or not, I’m afraid…

    As per no.1:
    The brain size of humans are the same since caveman times, and geographical location does not affect this. Therefore Americans are not dumb per se, but are dumbed down on purpose. Mainly with television: TV is a weapon of psychological warfare. The dumbing down of Americans is sociologically and scientifically devised, so blaming them for falling victims to it is hypocritical.

    As per no.2:
    The Communist Party leadership was Jewish everywhere, and they used the greed of the outsiders of society, the lumpen-proletariat in the rank and file of the Party, to destroy the traditional national elites and to take over the wealth of the unfortunate countries falling victim to their agenda. This is called “Class War”. Millions of kulaks were murdered, it led to artificial famine. The workers were exploited worse than under capitalism… (The only state where the workers and owners co-operated happily towards a common goal was the Third Reich).
    I know, I know, the Jews say the Bolshevik Jews do not count as Jews, only as Bolsheviks…but I used to wonder: is this magic transformation a general law? I mean, does a Jew not count as a Jew if he joins ANY political party, or is it only a Communist Party-specific phenomenon :)?

    As per no.3:
    I’d say it a bit differently: Jews infiltrate every political movement, they do not give a shit about ideology, all they care about is if it is good for the Jews or not.
    From Europe, all I can see is the American fundamentalism is Judeo-Christianity, it is Christian Zionism, a contradiction in terms, and has nothing to do with real Christianity.

    As per no.4:
    If I were an atheist like you, I would refrain from harshly accusing people of any faiths with historical violence, because I would be aware of the enormous hypocrisy of the claim. In the last 100 years, during the XXth century, atheist people of secular states with decidedly and pointedly atheist agendas massacred and mass-murdered hundreds of millions of peoples…

  • 120. Cum  |  September 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    “The only state where the workers and owners co-operated happily towards a common goal was the Third Reich”


    “In the last 100 years, during the XXth century, atheist people of secular states with decidedly and pointedly atheist agendas massacred and mass-murdered hundreds of millions of peoples…”

    You mean people like Hitler?

  • 121. atlas_lied  |  September 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Man, what a douche.

    Anyone else find the polar accusations of Bolshevik Jews and Capitalist Jews contradictory? It’s about as stupid as the idiot Californians who complain about Mexicans who:

    1. are lazy
    2. take all the jobs

    Stick to one accusation or the other.

  • 122. Zoner  |  September 19th, 2011 at 6:00 pm


    I haven’t heard that stuff about the bows, but southern China is more humid than most of Europe and the Mongols did just fine destroying the southern Song. Took them a while, but they managed it. Your colleague is probably right about the relative poverty of Europe not really tempting them, but let’s not forget that the two times they came up to the continent’s borders their khan up and died and the armies had to turn back to fight over the succession. If neither Genghis nor Ogedei had died, who knows what might have happened? The Mongols were able to defeat the knights of Russia and Hungary, both heavily forested at the time, and the knights can’t even use their standard tactic of retreating to their castles because the Mongols had siege engines and rudimentary explosives and cannons from captured and defected Chinese engineers.

  • 123. Cernunnos  |  September 19th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    @ rhinocervs

    You still haven’t really answered my question about Jews and Leftism. Not all leftists belonged to official (Bolshevik) communist parties. There are libertarian socialists/communists, anarchists/anarcho-syndicalists, democratic socialists, left liberals, wobblies and other traditions that aren’t Marxist or Bolshevik. Plus your Jewish explanation fails to explain how these ideas, Bolshevik or not, took hold in places like Spain, China, Laos, Vietnam,India etc. that certainly aren’t known for their Jewish population. However… perhaps if you substituted “Jews” with “large population of historically disenfranchised and exploited lower classes” then maybe you have something. So in response to your question about “real” or “Bolshevik” Jews I ask, is a communist automatically a Jew, even if he’s from Southeast Asia, because of a supposed “Jewishness” intrinsic to communism?

    Your comment about atheist agendas is the typical right-wing Christard crap we’ve been hearing for ages from our own American echo chamber of stupid. What you call “secular stats” were still cults of personality whose anti-religious agenda was usually to destabilize a previous power, such as how the Soviets persecuted the Orthodox Church, but did little in the way of suppressing Islam. In any case, I didn’t make that point to act as though atheists are perfect and without violence, but to point out your hypocrisy in blaming a tiny minority of the Earth’s population for everything wrong in history, when Christians far outnumber just about everyone (not sure what the statistics are in terms of world religions, but I believe Christians are still on top) and European Christianity has had probably the most far-reaching impact of any world religion. (For the record, I don’t think Christians are intrinsically evil or that all the injustices and atrocities of the world are attributable to Christianity or even religion alone, only that it’s silly to throw around wild conspiracy theories about Jews when the influence of Christianity is out in the open for all to see….)

  • 124. ☭ mouse ☭  |  September 19th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    @123 why even waste your time ? As soon as someone mentions Jews in this context I pretty much stop listening… its all gonna be downhill batshit from there.


  • 125. dominic romani  |  September 19th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    @ Zoner

    thanks for the response. I wonder where my friend got that idea? by the way, the same friend told me its been proven that mongol bows can pierce plate mail. Is that true?

    anyway, i think medieval Europe was WAY too politically fractured to handle anything like a Mongol invasion. I know a lot more about the Crusades than I do the Mongols, so you can correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me that the Arabs and the Turks had similar fighting styles to the Mongols, and once Saladin came along fielding a unified army, the Knights fared pretty terribly…in fact, most everybody agrees that the early military vicotries of the Crusades were anomolies and owed much to infighting amongst the Turks.

    That was a long winded way of saying yeah, I agree. The mongols probably would’ve swept right through Europe and back, probably leaving only England and Maybe Spain alone, soley because of geography. Anyway, i didnt know they turned around because of the Khans death, nor any of that other stuff about Russia (which WAS politically unified, and still apparently unable to defend itself). Got any introductory books to recommend? I was considering leafing through Marco Polo, but the contemporary sources are useually dry and lack an engaging narrative (at least the Romans do).

  • 126. Zoner  |  September 20th, 2011 at 8:10 am


    I’ve heard the same about the arrows piercing plate mail and it seems to be true, but only if it’s a direct hit. Otherwise, it will just glance off the armour. I expect you can find videos on youtube showing this.

    For some reason Western Europe never took to horse archery, as even in Eastern Europe there were nomadic tribesmen who lived much like the Mongols. Kind of makes you wonder how Crecy or Agincourt would have happened if there’d been horse archers on one or both sides.

    You’re right about Marco Polo, it’s a pretty dry read. I’d recommend the Jack Weatherford books about the Mongols. Also the James P. Delgado book I recommended to the War Nerd. In fiction, Conn Iggulden has a series of novels about the Mongol conquests. They’re a pretty fun read, but he does take some dramatic license so don’t expect strict historical accuracy.

  • 127. rhinohorn  |  September 20th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    @ Cum,

    Hahaha, fucking YEAH. Ironic, isn’t it?
    Have you seen the 1938 film of Jack Glenn, titled “March of Time: Inside Nazi Germany”?
    An American anti-Nazi propaganda film. Hard as they tried, even they could not suppress the truth, in a funny way. In the film they say all the German workers have jobs at last, after the Weimar Republic unemployment of millions, the workers can feed their families, they have good housing, and cars, and good salaries-and the stupid fuckers do not seem to understand how oppressed they are as German workers! I was laughing my dick off!
    Did you notice the letters S and A in the party name N.S.D.A.P.? S for Socialist, A for Arbeiter (Worker). Hitler realised that the German workers had nothing to do with Bolshevism. So, after eliminating the Communists and re-structuring the class of the business-owners with national elements, the antagonism between the working class and the business owners got to a minimum level. That is why Stalin preferred to call them fascists: he did not like to be reminded of the success of non-marxist socialists.

    By the way, I decidedly did not name any specific peoples or ideologies behind the atheist murderers, so everybody could think of their favourite evils…

  • 128. rhinohorn  |  September 20th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    @ atlas_lied

    The contradiction is only at a superficial level: this is not an either/or question.

    With your example: 1. some hard-working Mexicans are providing very cheap labour, taking the jobs and undercutting the salary-levels of their competitors, too, and 2. some of the Mexicans are lazy gangstas selling black tar heroin and coke, abhorring the very thought of work.
    From the “idiot” Californians’ point of view, both can be reason to complain, without contradiction: no need to stick to one.

    You find the Bolshevik Jews/Capitalist Jews phenomenon contradictory because you do not look behind the IDEOLOGIES. On an ideological level, the two should be in antagonistic opposition, shouldn’t they?
    But, the question was NOT about ideology. It was about who controls the countries, who has the political power, who is disposing over the wealth of the countries.
    In the capitalist countries, like the USA or Great-Britain, the capitalist Jews already had political and economical control. But in Eastern-Europe, where the bolshevik Jews came to power, the countries were traditional societies where the national elites held the powers. They had to be eliminated, and the bolshevik Jews used proxies for it: the underclass, the lumpen-proletariat. In the “dictatorship of the proletariat”, the power was NOT in the hands of the proletariat, but in the hands of the (Jewish) bolshevik party cadre. And when finally Communism fell, the same cadre appeared as the new private owners of the previously “common” wealth, keeping their political powers, too.
    Now you see why it is not a surprise that the first 5-year plan for the Sovietunion was planned on Wall Street. That the first Communist Party in Hungary held its meetings in a bank, receiving funding from the same bank. That Communist countries could become members of the IMF and World Bank.
    Funny thing is, without the credit the capitalist Jews provided, communism would have gone bankrupt long ago. Meaning the capitalist Jews provided the funding of our oppression-and now we still have to pay that money back, with usury-rate interests, too…

  • 129. rhinohorn  |  September 20th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    @ 123 Cernunnos

    You ask:”Plus your Jewish explanation fails to explain how these ideas, Bolshevik or not, took hold in places like Spain, China, Laos, Vietnam,India etc. that certainly aren’t known for their Jewish population.”

    Let me start with China, the toughest zit to pop: there are very few little yellow, circumscized comrades with almond-shaped eyes and big noses, true… so we have to go back to 1920 and the starting up of the Communist Party of China, organised by one Russian Jewish comrade, Grigori Voitinsky.
    We also should not forget Otto Braun, and the other Cheka advisors like Borodin, helping Mao and his war.
    In the 1920s, 1930s the Soviets worked with the same receipt in the Asian countries.

    In Spain, the “democratic forces” consisted mostly of foreign communists. For the life of me I could not name one communist volunteer from Hungary in the Spanish civil war who was not Jewish: the most famous is Gerő Ernő, nom-de-guerre Pedro, Party Secretary in 1956, whose famous speech on 1956 october 23. calling the peaceful demonstrators “fascist scum” incited the armed rebellion.

    You say:”perhaps if you substituted “Jews” with “large population of historically disenfranchised and exploited lower classes” then maybe you have something.”

    Definitely not.
    The peasants, for one, were always against communism and the kolhoz. The communists hated the peasants, because they were self-supplying and independent. The destroying of the kulak families, the artificial famines, etc… would sour up even those peasants towards communism who received their land in 1945 from the hands of the Party(only to be taken away a few years later) and who were too young to remember 1919…the first try of the Communists, when they were-well, hanging the peasants en masse on the countryside… I’m talking about Hungarian history of course.

    The workers? They were not communists. Some were Social-Democrats, more were ArrowCross-symphatizers (fascists), the rest simple patriotic citizens eager to scrape up a decent living. Under communist rule, they were freezing, starving, couldn’t buy a decent pair of shoes or an overcoat, and the work-norms were much worse than in the capitalist system. Small wonder the Workers Councils in 1956 were the greatest enemies of the Communist Party. The street fighters of the 1956 revolution were the Hungarian workers. The people who hanged the “Class War”-preaching Communist cadre on the Köztársaság Square lamp-posts were…workers! And the class-status of most of the rebels executed after 1956 by the Communists were…workers!

    You ask:”is a communist automatically a Jew?”

    Of course not!
    The leadership of the Communist Parties were Jewish, but not all Communists were Jewish: they ruled by proxy. They used the outsiders of society, the lumpen-proletariat, aka. the dumb goyim masses to destroy the traditional elites and take over the power. They elevated some of these lumpen-proletariat people as stooges into key positions, too (and these people became the staunchest communists as they had everything thanks to the system), like in Hungary after 1956 when they realised that the obvious Semitic character of the system does not wash well with the population. And there was always conflict between the lumpen-proletair element and the Jewish element about who has the power: the best example is Stalin and his famous “persecution of the Jews”.

    About Christianity: the reason why the Communists persecuted Christianity is two-fold: one, as Jews they hated Christians, and two, as Communists they hated moral and ethical people…

  • 130. ExOttoyuhr  |  September 20th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    @6: “Sometimes I wonder if it would not have been better to let the South just go. But then I remember that their capital was just across the Potomac from DC. They didn’t intent to leave the United States. They wanted to BE the United States. I think that war is far from over.”

    The Confederates didn’t want to be the United States — the capital was Atlanta until Virginia joined (it would’ve been a short war if Virginia hadn’t — US General Robert E. Lee?) and they moved to Richmond to reward the Virginians.

    The general attitude on both sides at first was that Confederate secession was a good thing — then someone realized how much Federal revenue came from tariffs on Southern cotton, and Lincoln, the New York Times, et al. changed their stance pretty darned quick.

    Now? I doubt the North will let the South go until a general collapse arrives — because they’re so dead-set on how superior they are to the rest of the world, and releasing the South as an (enthusiastically) independent nation would retroactively prove that they were oppressors all along after all. They’d rather fight a miniature Civil War every four years than admit that their self-proclaimed identity was a lie.

    (But even if not for the South, it would be a lie. Have you ever heard of the Morgenthau Plan?)

  • 131. ry  |  September 21st, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    @ Cernunnos

    You only have a shallow grasp of history, the core of political power, and economic ideologies. But it serves your true political enemies well, because you shout very loud for them.

    If your not one of them, they don’t give a fuck about you. Everyone HAS to have a tribe. They know this. The tribal loyalty, and their ability to destroy other tribes, is the core of their power. Their largest victory is convincing you to fight against your own tribe and in the interest of theirs. Its a shame that you will never receive anything for your efforts but more oppression.

    Seriously, you have a lot of heavy reading and eye opening to do before you can engage in this conversation seriously. Even if you didn’t share the opinion of those who you rail on against, its still important to know their perspective. We know yours. You only think that you know ours, but you haven’t reached a specific level of political understanding yet. World War II didn’t occur for imagined reasons, for either side. The reasons were real and urgent.

    As for my Zionist-loving mother who sucks on the staff of any exiled heeb that comes along , and closetcase Zionist wannabe commentors like myself who fancy themselves warriors for human justice and masturbate to the idea of marrying a yid and joining the chosen few, we are gonna keep screaming waaaaah waaaaaah waaaaaah. Yeah the Jews are horrible. Yep hicks like me have nothing better to do than to troll comment sections and spew scary prophecies about the end of days for the Jews. Really scary stuff. Brrrrrrr. Really scary. My skidmark is now very visible to a significant amount of people. I hear crunching noises in my underpants as I shift weight from one buttcheek to another in my computer chair writing about how the Jews made up the entirely ridiculous “Muslim Terrorist” lie, as well as when you speak your arrogant and poorly sarcastic responses to anyone who speaks of anything zionist. It’s fine. I just keep trolling the comments with my cool, collected scary Jew apocalypse voice. Did I give you goosebumps? Brrr. Scarrry. Why cant people like me just be done talking our illogical and fallacious arguing tactics are predictable, boring, and are obvious fronts to reason and provable truth. We lost the argument when I refused to have it. You’ll divert some with your continued arrogance, illogical racist accusations, and denial of reality, this will only serve to inoculate most to your shouts. Now, we move on without you. That’s right, you’re not invited to our end of days bunker. We’re afraid you’ll bone all our aryan shiksas.

  • 132. Jeff Prager  |  October 12th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    It would be a great idea to understand the events you write about just a little better. Other then erroneous data at periodic points you write rather well.

    Murdering Liberty Killing Hope
    The Office Of Naval Intelligence, The Eldorado Task Force, The Securities and Exchange Commission, Cantor-Fitzgerald, The Federal Reserve, The US Treasury, The Bank Of New York, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, Nugan Hand Bank, The Bush Crime Family and the Global Bankers. A study in criminal global finance and the events of 911.

    911 Gold
    Vast Global Financial Fraud, gold market manipulation and what Dick Cheney and George Bush actually did while in the White House.

    After 911:
    Connecting the SubPrime Crisis directly to the same people.

  • 133. Frank Zappa  |  August 15th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    #120… “In the last 100 years, during the XXth century, atheist people of secular states with decidedly and pointedly atheist agendas massacred and mass-murdered hundreds of millions of peoples…”

    You mean people like Hitler?

    Bzzzzz. Wrong. Hitler was born, raised and died a Catholic.

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