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Fatwah / December 8, 2009

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Anne Applebaum is a dingbat. I don’t throw that word “dingbat” around lightly, folks. But I just made the mistake of clicking a link that led me to an Anne Applebaum column, and seriously dude: Anne Applebaum? She’s a dingbat. Big time.

It’s late at night here, not a good time to come across an Anne Applebaum atrocity. My fault–I blame no one but myself for clicking that link. It’s been years since I read her, and somehow I have a memory of Anne Applebaum as being kind of ahead of the dingbat pack. But not anymore. There was a time when she was almost sharp, approaching one of those intelligent conservatives of the sort that went extinct in the 80s. But that was before she got signed to the Washington Post‘s editorial page. Apparently a prerequisite to working there is allowing editor Fred Hiatt grab you by the jaw, pry open your mouth, and blow a cloud of brain-eating spores up your sinuses. Because Anne Applebaum’s brain is enveloped in a burqa of dingbat mold, and there ain’t a Lysol in the world that can cure it.

The Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Gulag, who shook her moral fist indignantly at oppression (so long as the oppression was in Russia) and intolerance (in Russia) is now reduced to churning out hack apologias on behalf of poor misunderstood Switzerland, who for no good reason at all got unfairly singled out just because they went ‘n’ banned minarets. According to Applebaum, the only thing the Swiss are guilty of is fearing too much–which is the equivalent of loving too much if you’re a fear-addicted neocon like Applebaum.

[The referendum banning minarets] has been interpreted across Europe, and particularly in the United States, as evidence of Swiss bigotry and rising religious intolerance. But it was not — or at least not entirely. More important, it was evidence of fear, though not fear of “foreigners” or “outsiders” as such.

You read this, and you realize: Applebaum ain’t even trying, folks. She’s just punchin’ the bigotry-clock, aping livelier dingbats like Michelle Malkin or Dinesh D’Souza, who at least wear their bigotry proudly, like a real dingbat should. I mean look at how Applebaum flogs her qualifiers so listlessly — “But it was not–or at least not entirely“; “though not…as such“– you start to wonder if her dingbat heart is even in this bigotry thing.

And then, like a true dingbat, Anne surprises: she starts dropping ridiculously false claims so butt-ignorant that no live studio audience could resist responding to a “LAUGH” command:

In recent years separatist and politically extreme forms of Islam have emerged in every European country with a large Muslim population: Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Denmark, Sweden.

Ah-bee-ah-bee-ah-bee-huhhh? Separatist Muslims in Sweden? Seriously, the only way to respond is to put on your best Archie Bunker voice: “Listen here, dingbat, them Swedeners over there doesn’t have a Muslim separatists problem.”

Applebaum: “Oh Ahhchie! Yeah, I’s heard all’s about the separatist Muslims in Sweden, it’s true Ahhchie! The Muslims, they’s wanting their own separate state in the West Fjord and the Gravlax Strip.”

[STUDIO AUDIENCE LAUGHTER]

Archie: “Dingbat, thems camel jockeys don’t even have rocks to throw in the wintertime.”

[LAUGHTER]

Applebaum: “They just throw snowballs, Ahhchie!”

[AUDIENCE ROARS WITH LAUGHTER, CLAPS]

That’s the only sane way to read what I’m going to quote next. See, Applebaum thinks that poor Europe is suffering under a kind of Tatar yoke of Muslim separatists and extremists. Though, ever the qualifier-mad hack, Applebaum doesn’t blame everything on Muslims–though she does, sort of (not really, but yeah, she does):

There are many explanations for this phenomenon […] but, to put it very crudely, they boil down to one thing: Because of mistakes made by Europeans and by the Muslim immigrants who live beside them, the two groups have, over the past several decades, failed to integrate.

H’m, gosh. It’s as though Applebaum is suddenly aiming to take the high middle-dingbat ground here. Or not. Here are the mistakes made by the Muslims:

Two or even three generations after their arrival, some European Muslims still live in separate communities. They often go to separate schools. And a small but vocal minority openly refuses to respect the laws and customs of their adopted countries.

Okay, so their mistakes are their own fault. Where have we heard that sort of blame-the-foreigner-for-bringing-on-Eurofascism before? Here’s a hint: replace the word Muslims with “Jews,” imagine we’re in the 1930s, and repeat that last paragraph again:

some European Jews still live in separate communities. They often go to separate schools. And a small but vocal minority openly refuses to respect the laws and customs of their adopted countries.

“Dingbat! Dem Jews is always bringin’ thems troubles on theyselves, see.”

“Ahhchie! Ahhchie! It’s dem Muslims who’s bringin it on demsleves with the separatism in Sweden, Ahhchie!” .

Okay, okay. So now we know what the Muslims’ mistakes were–they brought it on themselves. But what about Europe’s equivalent mistakes? Dingbat has the answer:

No European government has found a way to deal with this phenomenon. Those that have tried often find themselves running up against their own civil rights and legal traditions.The Danes, determined to limit the number of foreign spouses entering Denmark through arranged marriages, decided that they had no choice but to make it more difficult for all Danes to marry foreigners. The French, realizing that the headscarf had become a symbol of political affiliation in some French schools, found themselves limiting the rights of all students to wear religious clothing, including yarmulkes, to school.

In other words, the Europeans’ mistake is that they’re too doggone good for this cruel world, “running up against their own civil rights and legal traditions.” And because they’re so good, they have no other way to “deal with” Muslims than to behave like Nazis towards them. You don’t follow the logic? Dingbats get it.

The odd thing is that the only country in Europe which is fighting with real separatist Muslims–Russia–is the one country which she accused of being racist. Back in late 2001, when Putin and Bush became best buddies in the early days of the War On Terror, poor Anne Applebaum saw her entire career–built on Russophobia–vanishing before her eyes. Hellbent on demonizing Russia, she makes the incredible claim that the only reason why Putin joined up with Bush had nothing to do with cold geopolitical or realpolitik calculations, but rather, because he, personally, is a racist who hates Muslims. Here is Anne Applebaum in November 2001:

And yet Putin’s commitment to America’s war on terrorism was made so abruptly, and is so clearly personal, that I suspect it comes from something deeper: his racism. Or – since racism is a harsh word – perhaps it is better to say that his commitment comes from his deep belief that the greatest threat to Russia now comes not from the West and Nato, but from the South and Islam.

When we tell the world’s Muslims that our war isn’t against them, we’d better make sure our Russian partners are acting as if they believe it.

In other words, Applebaum was against Islamophobia before she was for it.

Which brings me back to Applebaum’s qualifiers and modal-tense reverse-helix subjunctive tricks:

There is, therefore, nothing especially Swiss, or especially isolationist, about the recent referendum result. A similar question, put in a similar way, might well have led to a similar result anywhere in Europe. The growth of the “far right” parties in the recent past is almost always connected to fear of Islamist extremism.

First of all, why’d she leave out the word “racist” or “bigoted”? The criticism wasn’t that the Swiss are Swiss, or that they’re isolationist–it’s that they’re Nazi fucks whose gilded streets are paved with Jews’ gold teeth and African blood diamonds.

Applebaum argues that the Swiss aren’t really Swiss, they’re just regular Europeans. Because all the other European countries would do the exact same thing–so long as we’re talking about a highly qualified conditional reality in which a similar (though not the same) question, put in a similar (though not the same, so now it’s twice-removed from sameness) way– run it through the modal verb tense “might well have led to” … and voila! All Swiss are Socrates!

If that makes no fucking sense whatsoever, then ask yourself the real question here: why the fuck is Anne Applebaum trying to cover for far-right European racists?

Answer: because her husband, Polish foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski, is one of ’em.

In fact, Sikorski is the perfect Archie Bunker to Anne Applebaum’s dingbat. Just consider this knee-slapper Sikorski told last November shortly after the election of President Obama:

“Have you heard that Obama may have a Polish connection? His grandfather ate a Polish missionary.”

You get it? Because Obama is black. And blacks, according to Polish bigots, are cannibals. Seriously, it’s funnier in the original Polish, you had to be there–it kills ’em in Krakow every time–bowls ’em over in Gdansk.

You can almost hear Anne Applebaum follow it up with, “Oh, Ahchie! Does that mean the Jeffersons are gonna eat us?” [LAUGH TRACK]

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The funny thing about Sikorski’s “joke” is that the foreign ministry didn’t deny it–instead, they just dingbatted it:

A spokesman for the Polish foreign office conceded that Mr Sikorski had made the controversial comment, but denied that the foreign minister had intended to insult Mr Obama, whose father was Kenyan.

“Mr Sikorski did not tell a racist joke,” said Piotr Paszkowski, the spokesman. “He was only giving an example of the unpalatable and racist ‘jokes’ that surround President Elect Obama.”

That’s Anne Applebaum’s husband. I repeat, that racist shithead is Anne Applebaum’s husband. And it wasn’t the first time. He’s already served in some of the craziest rightwing coalition governments, including serving as Defense Minister in a coalition with the far-right League of Polish Families party, which Israel denounced as anti-Semitic. And before that Anne Applebaum’s husband was notorious for instituting a savage citizenship policy–the “passport trap”–in order to literally trap Polish expatriates who’d fled Communist rule, and returned to visit after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Under Sikorski’s plan, Polish expatriates’ foreign passports were no longer recognized–and they were forcibly locked back inside Poland with no way of leaving, until finally Anne’s crackpot husband was forced to relent under heavy pressure (most Polish expatriates were visiting from their new adopted homes in countries like Canada, the USA and other Western nations).

With all that in mind, let’s read again dingbat Applebaum’s concluding punchline about what the Swiss ban on minarets means to her and her husband:

No one quite says what the real issue is, but everybody knows: As grotesquely unfair as a referendum to ban minarets may have been to hundreds of thousands of ordinary, well-integrated Muslims, I have no doubt that the Swiss voted in favor primarily because they don’t have much Islamic extremism — and they don’t want any.

You show ’em, dingbat!

And here comes the episode-ending zinger: yesterday, dingbat was driving her car in Warsaw when she fucked the engine up and literally blew the thing up. Now you may be thinking that this was some kind of terrorist act–but no, this was just another example of the sorts of hijinx we’ve come to expect from the dingbat-comic genius of Anne “Edith” Applebaum:

Applebaum: My car did not explode

Some of you may be deeply disappointed to hear this, but let me begin by reassuring all of my readers that no, my car did not blow up last weekend. I’m afraid it simply isn’t true that the Russian mafia are out to get me either. I know it would have been more fun — and for some of you much more satisfying — but alas, I was never under attack at all.

Here is what happened: I was driving home from a friend’s house in a Warsaw suburb Saturday night when my engine died. I tried to restart it, pumped the accelerator, heard a small explosion and saw a flame. Smoke started coming out of the hood, which I didn’t want to open. (A bad move, in retrospect, but I’ve seen what happens to smoking cars in the movies.) Someone called the fire department, which clearly didn’t take my car problems too seriously.

So what happened was, Dingbat’s car died, and instead of getting help, she kept pumping the accelerator and trying to restart it until she blew the engine up.

Dingbats will be dingbats.

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  • 1. Snarky  |  December 8th, 2009 at 1:53 am

    Reading this, I remembered why I love the eXile. Go Mark!

  • 2. Realist  |  December 8th, 2009 at 2:12 am

    Say what? Switzerland a bigoted racist sewer? A country with four official languages, 20% foreign residents and, very unlike the US, a somehow functioning democracy?

    We (the Swiss) have seen what sort of “religious communities” emerged in Germany, France, GB or any other “tolerant” paradise. We cast a symbolic vote against it. Its called self determination.

    Sorry Ames, normally a fan, but…
    Whoever this Applebaum character may be, please stick to the politics of your own democratic oligarchy.

  • 3. Mike  |  December 8th, 2009 at 2:13 am

    note: something I’ve read (which might and might not be true) is that the whole Gaddaffi-vs-Switzerland thing might have been a bit of a factor in the swiss ballot. Mostly though, they’re bigots.

    Case in point (as is always the case in these things): “yes” votes to the ban came mostly from rural areas where there are no muslims. urban swiss, who actually encounter muslims from time to time, mostly voted “no”. It’s just that there are more of the former than the latter.

  • 4. Pádraig Ó Buth Chanain  |  December 8th, 2009 at 2:22 am

    “the far-right League of Polish Families party, which Israel denounced as anti-Semitic.”

    Oh well, that settles that, then…

    This article seems curiously like part of an in-group squabble to me.

  • 5. Toni M  |  December 8th, 2009 at 3:30 am

    This was the greatest article I’ve ever seen from you.

  • 6. Jussi  |  December 8th, 2009 at 4:18 am

    This one was a sloppier story than the usual Ames. Try visit Rotterdam or Malmo, please, and then tell there is no problem with the immigration in Europe.

  • 7. F. Jardim  |  December 8th, 2009 at 4:27 am

    Very nice. Do Jonah Goldberg next!

    Really, sometimes I wonder if our current wingnuttia is trying at all….or if this is the very best they can do, and they wipe their sweaty brows and pat their own backs with pride over it.

  • 8. Viking Rage (former eXile contributor)  |  December 8th, 2009 at 4:29 am

    Mark, the quality of your articles is getting worse and worse. From having been a witty creative guy you have become a shrill, whiny hack. I hope you can find inspiration again. Maybe go back to Russia and get laid?

    Anyway to the point: As much as I dislike Applebaum she is right. Sweden has a huge problem with Muslims who are isolating themselves from the rest of socity. Do a Google Translate on the article in the attached link and you will understand.
    http://natverkmotpk.blogspot.com/2009/12/skolk-i-islams-namn-vad-ska-skolan-gora.html

  • 9. Eddie  |  December 8th, 2009 at 4:58 am

    As a Swede I feel compelled to inform your readers that there is no separatist movement in Gravlax Strip. What we have is a strong Piracy movement determined to reform legislation in areas such as copyrights, patents and personal privacy.

    My personal theory is that she read about the Somali pirates and noticed that some of these men are in fact islamist fighters. She then went on to conclude that all pirates are islamists in disguise. The separatist movement in gravlax follows from there.

  • 10. kalashkova  |  December 8th, 2009 at 6:49 am

    Switzerland banned minarets because it has an incredibly democratic system where every person can vote on a piece of legislation, not just their elected representatives.

    If every US citizen had the chance vote on any issue there would be many more opressive/fascistic laws than in Switzerland.

    Imagine on the 12th September 2001,when people were so outraged, and they all had a vote. Half the Islamic world would be invaded. Islam would be forbidden in America. Everyone would have to undergo loyalty checks etc.

  • 11. kalashkova  |  December 8th, 2009 at 7:06 am

    Also,

    Yes, the Polish are still quite racist but that is because they are still quite Catholic. Most of Europe is properly secular.

    And the analogy of the Europeans being fascist against the helpless defenceless Muslims is wrong. The only real fascism we have is Islamofascism. Really it is the reverse, defending secular, tolerant and democratic Europe from fascists, many whom are Islamic.

    Obviously not all Islamic people are extremist. There are many moderates. But the problem is that Christianity has been beaten down by centuries of suculairisation so that religion is now reduced to little more than a form of identity (except maybe for people like the Poles). Islam, with it’s largely non European strongholds, has not gone through that process of secualrisation and as such, we are dismayed that Liberal social atitudes are being broken.

    Also their are a rising number of Christian fundamentalists in Europe. The irony is that they are almost all black African immigrants, ie the people that we a few generations ago spread Christianity to in order to get a stranglehold on them.

    I don’t nessesarily agree with Ms Abblebaum as she is a neocon tool and blatant russophobe, but the situation is not that Europeans are pseudo fascists. Secondly, when you have separatist Muslims in Sweden, you know there is a problem (even if these separatists make up 5% of the Muslim population)

  • 12. Alok  |  December 8th, 2009 at 8:06 am

    The Swiss, like all other Europeans, are just paranoid crazies wearing a thin veneer of mock-liberalism and pseudo-secularism.

    An itty bitty scratch and they start ranting against hijabs and minarets. Hahahahahahaha

    It’s a lost cause for them anyway. Europe’s only two generations tops from being Islamic majority. Immigration+high fertility of minorities always makes for good reading…

  • 13. doctor k  |  December 8th, 2009 at 8:15 am

    the funniest part about the minaret ban is that the swiss can’t even get their bigotry right. most of the muslims they cast their vote against are actually white europeans! oops!

    I’m generalizing about the ‘swiss,’ though, which is of course ridiculous. at least 40% of them aren’t terrified racist shitheads- and in america things are already much worse than they are in europe, so I’ve not got much reason to wave the flag.

  • 14. Lysander  |  December 8th, 2009 at 8:38 am

    I don’t much like how the Swiss voted on this, and yes, I do worry about the European far right. But allow me to offer a much better defense of the Swiss than Applebaum’s.

    As best as I can recall, Switzerland has not contrived a bogus pretext (WMD) to attack a Muslim country, (Iraq) resulting in the death of over a million people (If Johns Hopkins researchers are to be believed)

    They then did not bemoan the “lack of gratitude” the invaded country has shown for this uniquely Swiss…ahem…American good deed. Also, I have not heard Swiss officials talk about the “option” of attacking Iran if it did not do exactly what Switzerland demands.

    They are also not supporting the starvation siege of Gaza and….I can go on forever but you all get the idea.

    Personally, I wish the U.S. would ban minarets and get the hell out of the middle east.

    Also, Swiss direct democracy is by far the most effective means I’ve seen to restrict the power of government.

    Otherwise, very well written by Mark Ames, as always.

  • 15. timmy  |  December 8th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    Compare Brechers article on muslims in europe ‘Arise Ye Danes’ with this stinking trash heap of an article.

    What is it Mark? Going back to your Inglorious Basterds review – when a film portrays europeans as cold blooded jew killers you celebrate the portrayal it as the european werewolf spirit but when real life eurofags such as myself take the most inane and imbecilic measures to maintain their own dead culture in their own dead countries it’s just too stupid for you to celebrate. It hurts my little pea brain to grasp this.

    Oh wait, maybe what you’re saying is this– That the europeans were interesting when they were terrifying werewolves, but that nothing shows pathetic little eurofags they’ve become than banning minarets? I don’t see the difference between total war and banning minarets, then apologizing. Can someone help me? Inbred retard alert!

  • 16. Carlito  |  December 8th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    There you go. If Russians had only had the good sense to bann minarets. To think all this time they could have had Applebaum writting nice things about them…

  • 17. jimbo  |  December 8th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    You have to have real contact with Islamic nutjobs living in Europe to get picture of it. If you start from the position that all religion is just silly superstition for backwards people then you have to arrive at the conclusion that Moslems are particularly backwards. Most of my family are serious Catholics who believe birth control is evil but at the same time crazy violent fuckers who shouldn’t have any children so they churned out a bunch of damaged offspring. Moslem people can’t just admit that things are bad for them because maybe there’s something wrong with the way they are so they have to demonize Europeans and create a villian responsible for their problems.

  • 18. Flatulissimo  |  December 8th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan: “Minarets are our bayonets,” he said. “The domes are our helmets, the mosques our barracks and the believers our army.”

    I don’t have any illusions that Islam is a peaceful religion, or that Muslims just want to be left alone to worship in peace. They only use that line in places where they are in the minority. If I lived in a Muslim state like Saudi, my alcoholic, atheist ass would be getting the shit stoned out of it. Maybe a public beheading. Yes, they actually do that there.

    My only gripe is that the ban isn’t for ALL religious buildings, but hey – its a start.

  • 19. Strahlungsamt  |  December 8th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    I especially love the Ayn Rand pose in that pic.

  • 20. Strahlungsamt  |  December 8th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    I just read that Applebaum article and she sounds like some dumb tourist with some pre-programmed ideology of how another country works but with no interest in learning anything that might conflict said ideology. The kind of tourist that makes me glad we’re all in a beautiful recession, where dollars buy so little and dumbshits can’t afford to travel more than a mile outside Bumfuck MO.

  • 21. Pádraig Ó Buth Chanain  |  December 8th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Clearly I wasn’t explicit enough. I am currently stroking myself thinking of what a joy it would be to be taken by a Zionist. That’s why I’m so obsessed with Zionists–I want to be taken completely, to be used and loved and roughed up. O to dream!

  • 22. Jack Boot  |  December 8th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    After the last little contretemps ended in ’45, the Euros needed some niggers to do the scutwork. They let in a whole raft of Muzzies, naively expecting them to return home after 5 years or so. No, Non, Nein…

    Trouble is, European national identity has always been tribal in nature. Be you ever so European-born, and your speech ever so locally accented, you’re still nothing but a fucking foreigner. “Your skin looks funny, your name sounds funny, and you worship a funny God. No way will you ever be British, French, German, etc.”

    Since the US-style melting-pot is out of the question, that leaves de facto apartheid – millions of brownies & blackies confined to ghettos in the outskirts of all the major cities.

    Europe’s first-gen immigrants were mostly former colonial subjects, accustomed to bowing & scraping. Not so their kids and grandkids; frozen out of the mainstream, they’ve unsurprisingly turned extreme.

    This shan’t end well. Given Europe’s historical treatment of minorities, I’ll bet on form…

  • 23. xyz  |  December 8th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    This is bullshit. Why do liberals feel the need to defend Islam? Everywhere the Muslims have gone, they have failed to integrate. By integrate I do not just mean living in different communities. Almost everywhere that Muslims form a separate community, they live in separate communities, speak their own language(s), start demanding special rights and ‘tolerance’ and in general turn radical. This is true of Britian where Pakistani immigrants are as radicalised as those in the tribal belts of Pakistan. This is true of France. This is true all over Asia, in countries like India where Muslims are a significant minority. Liberals in India too always rush to the defense of Islam with the result that Muslims enjoy special fantastic privileges and yet turn radical and support terrorists. To put it bluntly most Muslims everywhere at least sympathize with Islamic terrorist causes if not directly support it. It is better to fully integrate Muslims into their respective countries quickly rather than wait and repent.

  • 24. xyz  |  December 8th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    One hallmark of the stupidity of both extreme liberals and conservatives is the ‘Hitler/Nazi’ argument in the discussion of any issue. ‘The Nazis/Hitler did exactly the same thing. The same thing happened to the Jews in Germany…blah blah blah bullshit’. If you want an argument to rationalize any nonsense then you could always pull the Nazi one out of your ass.

  • 25. Stephen  |  December 8th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Dinesh D’Souza…. Portugese-last named Indian. Ergo he’s from Goa. I lived in Benin, West Africa, for a few years. Lots of de Souzas over there too. The great great great interbred grandkids of the colonizers and each and every one a total piece of shit. Total ruling-class cunts. They have all the halmarks of developing world elites- “Oh these poor savages, when will they get their act together” Cocksuckers. Dinesh carries on the family line admirably.

  • 26. Mish  |  December 8th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    “Moslem people can’t just admit that things are bad for them because maybe there’s something wrong with the way they are.”

    Why is it so difficult for people like jimbo to recognize their own racism?

  • 27. Scott Malec  |  December 8th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    No, no — do Fareed Zakaria next. That creep needs to git sniped off the asshole totem pole.

  • 28. Allen  |  December 8th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    “The minarets are our bayonets, the domes our helmets, the mosques our barracks and the faithful our army.”

    This quote from Erdogan has become a rallying cry for the minaret ban. In fact, if you google it all your hits will be about Switzerland.

    In actuality, Erdogan was quoting from a nationalist poem written in 1912. Erdogan quoted it in the 90s in reference to military’s coup/crack down on Islamic political parties in Turkey for 80 hundredth time (Erdogan was himself arrested). In context it is in fact a somewhat sad, “you got bayonets … well we got Minarets … and uh people power!”, inwardly focused statement. It was not in any way shape or form a description of some kind of global Islamist conspiracy — in context.

    Really, Mike’s comment says it all. Most of the “yes” votes came from the rural Swiss who don’t have any actual experience with the “Islamic” bogyman at all. They were voting against an image entirely constructed in their own heads — one that they are comfortable with and not in a hurry to change. These folks don’t need context; they need daily affirmations of their cozy world view no matter how flimsy. (They won’t bother to examine them anyway).

    I think I’m finally coming around to the Exiled point of view that people generally may just be too stupid to live.

  • 29. CGee  |  December 8th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Ames, you need to study Islam more.

    I used to be like you but when I started reading stuff I realized how messed-up it is.

    It really is a racist, totalitarian death cult! Saudi Arabia doesn’t allow churches or non-mosques period, and many Muslim countries treat Christians as 2nd-class citizens and murder people for speaking out against Islam and trying to convert people to other religions.

    Just try going to Saudi Arabia and preaching Christianity, your ass would be deported in less than a day (only cause you’re American) and if you were a Saudi, you might get your head chopped!

    I love you, I really love you man, but you got it backwards on Islam. Your constant defending of it is like defending Scientology. Sure, Neo-cons are dumber than fuck and wrong about nearly everything, but Islam is the one area where they’re right!

    I encourage you to just read- try reading- some books critical of Islam by apostates who abandoned it and critics. You’re a smart man but this is the one area where you’re absolutely wrong frequently. Mohammed fucked a 9-year old girl and MANY countries with Sharia law are like paradise for pedos. (don’t believe me? Look into Aisha You can go and pick up a little girl for arranged marriage and rape the daylights out of her (if she refuses to put out).

    Just at least research why critics dislike it. If Islam’s so “peaceful”, then why did they chop up over 100 people over a couple of fucking cartoons?

    Trust me, I’m liberal as fuck, I’m not some knuckle-dragging Malkin nimrod, but on Islam I ain’t liberal at all.

  • 30. adolphhitler  |  December 8th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    If you want to avoid social unrest in your own country stop immigration. If you have already allowed immigration you need to start rolling back against your local foreigners. If this is racism so what? Racism is nothing more than cultural survival in the face of invasion by those who either dont want to integrate or who are prevented from integrating.The swiss have done the right thing. they are saying” switzerland for the swiss”. Whats wrong with that?

  • 31. Libertard  |  December 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    ZOMG! I can’t go to Switzerland and build a mosque with a minaret! Racist pigs!

    Heck with this. I’m going back to Iran where I’m allowed to build Christian steeples all over the place.

    HURR DURR I’M A KNEE JERK LIBERTARD WHO’S A BIGGER IDIOT THAN THE CONSERVATARDS!

  • 32. Seymour Butz  |  December 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    What’s the problem with racism against Muslims again? Remember: Islam is “the most stupid religion,” according eXile hero Houellebecq.

  • 33. Allen  |  December 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Ames, you should actually have re-considered posting an article touching on Islam in the West. When it comes to that subject people come right the fuck out of the woodwork to reveal themselves as head over heels for hurrying up and catching up to Iran and Saudi Arabia when it comes to enforced cultural sanitization (or something like that … to be honest I don’t know what the fuck they think the are arguing.)

  • 34. xyz  |  December 8th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    @25 Stephen, I am from western India where I have met many pricks like DSouza. Its not just the Portuguese pricks, but the whole bunch of Anglo-Indians, IndoFrench and other combinations of Indo and some European country. Mostly semi educated cunts with a deep seated superiority complex. These pricks cannot survive in a competitive atmosphere. They fail miserably in the competitive exams one has to get through to enter the prestigious colleges. The only ‘prestigious’ colleges that they make it to are the liberal arts colleges in Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata, founded by Christian missionaries in the 19th century. People like DSouza are the prime recipients of affirmative action on the part of these colleges. In India the laws are such that these colleges get special benefits to ‘preserve’ the culture of ‘minorites’ and they are allowed to set aside a quota of seats for Christians. It is through this system that the DSouzas enter schools and colleges. It is also mostly these schools and colleges that send their students on such fellowships as the ‘Rotary international’. The Dinesh DSouza who worships the competitive free market would have had no hope in life without the ‘welfare system’ for European descendents in India.

    But (un)surprisingly, these are the same variety of people who complain about stifling socialist policies, lack of religious freedom, have utter contempt for Indian languages and hate the rest of the dark skinned Indians simply for being brown.

  • 35. Bruce Talley  |  December 8th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    That was just great, it was a funny and well-written postI am glad that someone is around to expose the hypocrisy of the Russia haters!!

    My weblog on Abkhazia with comments about how the neocons got bought by the Georgians is at:
    http://www.brucetalley.com/

    Regards,

    Bruce Talley

  • 36. CGee  |  December 8th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Fuck Islam! They promote polygamy and pehophilia, oppression of non-believers and jihad, infinite war against the non-believers.

    So Allen, sounds like you’ll be pretty happy when excessive breeding leads to Muslim majorities and the institution of Sharia Law in Europe, which will legalize pedophilia, honor killings, murdering rape victims and discrimination against non-Muslims, in addition to killing people who insult Allah and Mohammad.

    Islam IS a motherfucking cult, it is NOT a religion. Liberals who think otherwise may as well be promoting NAMBLA. Fuck the child molester Mohammad and fuck all apologists who think he had the right idea with fucking a 9-year old girl. If he’s the perfect being, as Muslims claim he is, in the eyes of God, then God is a drunken, sadistic madman of a pervert.

    Islam NEEDS to be stopped and it’s Zerg-like expansion needs to be halted. Switzerland has the right fucking idea, the only thing different they should have done is outlawed mosques entirely and deported the Muslims. If the birthplace of Islam (Arabia) wants to treaty non-Muslims like pure shit, then I say give them a heaping helping of what they’re serving everyone else.

  • 37. z  |  December 8th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Switzerland has always been a land of vindictive, petty racist bigots, let’s face it. It’s really funny, when these far-roght shitheads who launched this anti-minaret hate-campaign talk about their problem being that Islam is anti-liberal, misogynistic and so on. Just for yout information: in switzerland women got the vote in 1971. that’s right, 1971. Actually they had a plebiscite on the issue in 1959 and – get this – the majority of Swiss men voted against to give women the vote.

    eat gold, ye’ bastards!

  • 38. CGee  |  December 8th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Wow, what a backwards and totalitarian country Switzerland sounds like! Sounds practically like Nazi Germany, those bastards!

    Tell me, do Swiss force women to dress up in ghost outfits and then chop off their heads if they don’t?

    Do Swiss murder and whip women for being raped?

    Do they force women to be locked behind doors like animals or to be escorted on leashes only by male family members?

    Is a woman’s testimony worth only 1/2 or 1/4 that of a man’s? Do the Swiss have a prophet of God who said it was okay to beat up your wives and that women are deficient of intelligence?

    Oh, didn’t think so. But hey, oppression, violence and totalitarianism is a-okay when the wonderful Muslims are doing it! How evil the Swiss are that they don’t want their country to become a “paradise” like “Fuck me in the ass” Saudi Arabia is!

  • 39. Flatulissimo  |  December 8th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    @CGee –

    What you said.

  • 40. Flatulissimo  |  December 8th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Let me clarify: With CGee, saying “What you said”, I was referring to this comment:

    “I love you, I really love you man, but you got it backwards on Islam. Your constant defending of it is like defending Scientology. Sure, Neo-cons are dumber than fuck and wrong about nearly everything, but Islam is the one area where they’re right!”

    Not so sure about the second post.

    It is interesting to compare Islam to Scientology, though. Where was Ames when the French were trying the Church of Scientology for fraud? Damn frogs and their religious intolerance! If anything, Scientologists look like goddam Jains compared to Muslims. I’d like to see the French sue Islam for fraud, too. Prove Mohammad rode a winged horse to heaven, whydontcha.

    (And yeah, so I don’t get accused of being a right-wing Aryan myself – make the Catholics prove Jeebus rose from the dead, insert ridiculous claims of other religions here, etc.)

  • 41. Skinner's Horse  |  December 8th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    A columnist for a national newspaper turns out to be inconsistent? Who would have thought it.

    After all, these people are paid to create and promote a consistent worldview, not just to reliably fill the center pages.

    Can we have some War Nerd instead please? (Unless you plan to coin another word as awesome as “Waffendwarf”).

  • 42. Christo  |  December 8th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Good article, Mark. I liked how you saved the zinger (her husband) till the middle.

  • 43. Spade  |  December 8th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    I like the Swiss; the men wear smart-looking suits and the trains run on time.

  • 44. az  |  December 8th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    You wanted to attract all the freeper and eurofag attention you could, didn’t you Mark?

    15: Fascists and Nazis were the fags of Europe, sorry. I mean come on, the only reason they came out on top is because the countries they were able to take over were failed empires ruled by even faggier liberals so they were able to gather support among what today would be the Freepers because they were so scared of socialists/communists taking away their nativity scenes or something. Hell, Mussolini was even a social democrat to begin with, he just sucked at it.

  • 45. Robert Hodge  |  December 8th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    This issue is a bit silly.
    It has nothing to do with racism.
    Last time I checked it was a-okay for countries to ban architecture. And that is what a minaret is, architecture. Call me when they ban mosques.

  • 46. obvious  |  December 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Some of you guys need lessons in rhetoric and logic. Ames rightly criticized Ann Applebaum’s hypocritical support of the Swiss, and her condemnation of the Russians. The Russians incidentally, had/have more pressing issues with Islamic separatists than Switzerland. But then the closet racists came out of the woodwork and found a ready excuse to broadcast their prejudices.

    They’re minarets. The fact that a supposedly democratic society of wealthy and supposedly enlightened people saw them as emblematic of all sorts of cultural atavism is testament to… well, let’s just say people are idiots.

  • 47. az  |  December 8th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    40: Do you even know why Scientology is a fraudulent organization? Come on, you’re supposed to be on the Internet.

  • 48. Jesus Christ  |  December 8th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Actually Applebaum is part of the cabal affiliated with the likes of AEI, Jamestown and Olin foundation, Carnegie, Rand Corporation, etc under the CIA through NED set to overthrow Putin and the Russian government.

    Most being Jewish supremacist of course like Applebaum.

    Applebaums book Gulag was commissioned by a grant given to her by the Olin foundation of £14,100.

    http://old.mediatransparency.org/grantdetail.php?grantID=16721

    Funny how Applebaum in the book never mentions the fact that the Gulag system like Communism itself was created, ran and administered by Jews running 10 out of the 11 artic death camps and the few Jews as Solzhenitsyn’s in his banned in the west book 200 Years together mentioned how the few Jews that were interned in the Gulags were given preferential treatment.

    They don’t mind Islamic terrorism/extremism when it is targeted against US geo-political rival like her and her Neocon friends and international Jewry support of Islamic terrorism/separatism in Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya and Xinjiang China and across the Eurasian sphere the worst of the worst accompanied by BS propaganda who in the case of Bosnia and Chechnya have links to radical Palestinian groups in Jordan, Hamas, Hezbollah and Iranian intelligence who Abu Hafs brought in by the CIA/MI6 to run operations against Russia network Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades is responsible for all the major terror attacks in Europe and diverting fighter from Europe and the Middle East from fighting Chechnya to fight US occupation forces in Iraq.

    http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Mar1204.htm

    She also showed her tribal loyalty by defending child rapist Roman Polanski.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jillian-york/anne-applebaum-child-rape_b_305814.html

  • 49. goat_farmers_of_the_CIA  |  December 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Anne maybe one more stupid, phony crypto-neocon cunt, but doesn’t she look sweet? Reminds me of Limonov’s opinion of Jewish women – they are the best in bed. I can vouch for that from personal experience, And looking at French-Jewish actress Elsa Zylberstein and -up to a point- Zoe Kazan, at their juicy, full behinds, monumental hips and waspish waists, I would add the beauty of Jewish women’s faces and the gorgeousness of their bodies is the most earthly, natural. But of course there are exceptions, and that loony cunt-queen Ayn Rand was one (a big one!) of them. But that is not Anne’s case. I can see she keeps fit – how I would love to fuck some sense into her mushy liberal-phony brain. I wonder how she looked when she was a ripe 30 something. Then it would have been pure heaven to lay her.

  • 50. rick  |  December 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Wow, Jesus, you’re a fucktard, like I always suspected!

    Applebaum’s GULAG was spiritually commissioned by motherfuckers wanting to read about motherfuckers dying horribly. It sold okay, like most Soviet books and more generally, books about serial killers. The conservative/Ayn Rand thing is pretty incidental. Researchers/readers kind of love that material, and they wrap it all up in hilarious moral and ideological caveats, when it’d be better, and more educationally wrapped up, in jokes. Humans are scum.

    If you’re going to talk about ideological retardation, speak about the hilarious and interesting gutters of human cognition, not your fantastical international cabal of propaganda, which is manifestly a joke.

  • 51. Robert D  |  December 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    It’s laughable to suggest that there is a Muslim “separatist” movement anywhere in Western or Central Europe. Nothing of the kind exists outside of a few disgruntled young men who are looking for a cause to be angry about. We might as well be terrified about white trash yobs vandalising the local shopping centre.

    The vast majority of immigration from Muslim countries to the West is the same deal as any other wave of immigration from the Third to the First World. These people are seeking to escape oppression, poverty and violence and want to build a better life for themselves. The last thing you want after escaping from a dust pit backwater like Islamabad – where everything has ceased to function on any meaningful level – is to recreate those circumstances in your new home in a developed country where you might actually have some sort of opportunity to make a decent life for yourself.

    Yeah, there will always be an element that falls through the cracks, can’t surmount the obstacles faced by adapting to a new culture and will find something to be pissed about. Some of these people may well turn to the more dissident strands of their culture and religion and might even make some trouble.

    The question is whether this happens to any significant degree as to cause concern. Here’s the thing: it doesn’t. Despite the perpetual bleating of the hysteria-mongering media and the paranoia of your average dullard and closet bigot who is petrified at the prospect of darker skinned people than himself frequenting the local shop, the actual level of “militant” Islamic activism in Europe is present only to a miniscule degree.

    If there really is any kind of “separatist” movement, then where is it? Where are the hordes of angry Muslims storming the streets and smashing shit up? Have you seen any? I know I haven’t, not at any time in any European country I’ve visited (and I’ve been to most of ’em).

    What would these alleged “separatists” actually fight against anyway? The local chip shop? The post office? The suburbs of Manchester hardly compare with downtown Grozny. There are no tanks to launch rockets at, no intercontinental gas pipes to sabotage, no car bombs going off outside of municipal buildings.

    Fact is, the vast majority of Muslim immigrants you will ever encounter in Europe will be polite, quiet and industrious. They want the same deal as most anybody else – to be left alone and to get on with things, without making too much trouble along the way.

    And yet you have comments from the likes of xyz above – who wants us to believe that England is now a seething hotbed of militant Pakistani separatists. Sorry xyz, but you’ve been spending far too much time fantasising about the coming of a race war. Integration has worked out pretty good in the UK. It has reinvigorated the moribund British culture and done wonders for the standards of cuisine. You are far more likely to find western kids and their Muslim brethren sharing space on the same nightclub dance floor than throwing petrol bombs at each other. There are still some pockets of segregation (the general failure that is the city of Bradford, for one) and there will always be a few teething problems along the way, but generally it’s working out fine.

    You now have second and third generation Muslims in England, and they’re not all that much different from the white British kids these days. They retain some of the superficial trappings of their culture, but it’s mostly cosmetic. They’re largely interested in the same stuff that other British kids are. Video games, dance music, designer shoes… the usual mundane stuff. That’s what happens with immigration, y’see. A few generations down the line, and cultural integration has well and truly taken its course. You can no longer tell the immigrants and the locals apart.

    Muslim immigration to Europe hardly seems like much of a cause for concern, but taking such silly and needlessly inflammatory measures as banning minarets and burkhas in schools is not going to accomplish anything other than to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is exactly the kind of gesture that is going to convince easily disgruntled and impressionable young Muslim men that there is an active conspiracy at work to marginalise them. The stupidity is that taking such measures will do absolutely nothing to discourage Muslims from migrating to the West, but will do everything to make them feel alienated once they do get here.

    Come on people, grab a brain and a bit of perspective, eh?

  • 52. Annie Omous  |  December 8th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Ames, have you stopped doing research? Because anyone who has been paying attention is quite aware that Sweden has been having major issues with Muslim migrants.

  • 53. geo8rge  |  December 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Kosher slaughter remains banned to this day in Switzerland, I know this is true I read it on the internet.

  • 54. CGee  |  December 8th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    I’m no fan of Scientology myself but Islam is by far a much greater threat.

    If 1,500,000,000 believe something then it automatically gets treated seriously, even if it’s hogwash. Do you know that Mohammad’s army murdered the husband of and enslaved his last life after they killed a Jewish tribe? And that Mohammad essentially coercively raped her?

    Of course I’m “bigoted” against Islam, just as “bigoted” as I am against Adolf Hitler and the KKK! Some things need to be hated and opposed and people need to rexamine their liberal self-defensive prejudices in favor of belief systems that are attacked.

    Again, Mohammad fucked a 9-year old girl- many Muslim countries allow pedophilia in imitation of this fucking by him. Islam is dangerous and it is a diseased cancer and blight on the land wherever it travels.

  • 55. T Purviance  |  December 8th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Mark,

    I read both of those articles on Slate yesterday and today and found them both bizarre and out of left field. Anne must be having an off week. Where did this come from?

    I think your treatment of her articles as “dingbatty” is correct. The issues written in them seem to be secondary to her own apparent growing dementia.

    Also, where is her editor? Huffing glue in an alley?

  • 56. timmy  |  December 8th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    To the joker in my brain who’s making me come back to the comments section and keep at this – please stop it, and please stop my crusty obsession with the “granola muncher” epithet. I like it both ways. Honestly…

  • 57. myzzia  |  December 8th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Radek Sikorski is known here locally as Sikoradek : “sikac” means ‘to piss’ in Polish. And that tool may very well become a president of PL one day… damn it, I’m emigrating to Switzerland the second my gold fillings are replaced by something whiter…

  • 58. myzzia  |  December 8th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    @ Jesus Christ re Polanski :
    Thousands points of light out there… Made my day. Love seeing the rednecks a-whooping an’ hollering. This sure takes your minds off the looming foreclosure and – of course – the Obama’s Anti-american health plan, doesn’t it ?
    Guess what – Polanski (that’s Mister Polanski to you) is free on bail and will soon go quietly to Paris – a city you can only dream of….

  • 59. mmmm  |  December 8th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    One thing that really baffles me about this, erm, “discussion” is the assertion that being anti-Islam = racist. Last time I checked, Islam was a religion, not a race. Now sure, many euro-racists are certainly using anti-Islam sentiment as a shield to mask their true sentiments. However, Muslims immigrants living in Europe cannot reasonably cry “racism” unless they first experimentally attempt to assimilate to the religion and customs of their new homeland for a generation or two. Christianity, atheism, agnosticism, or neo-polytheism would all be perfectly acceptable in western Europe’s case.

    Until this happens, anti-Islamic laws and initiatives cannot be fairly declared to be racist. Religion is a part of a persons culture, not part of one’s genetic code. There are many many liberal people like me that have *zero* problems with people being black/white/cappuccino, as long as they don’t practice a batshit insane, crushingly conservative religion (and that goes double for all of you evangelical Christian fruitcakes).

  • 60. Allen  |  December 8th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Well CGee, if only we all go out and read a bunch of anti-Islam propaganda books (or, lets be honest, websites) like you, perhaps we will all finally be enlightened and drop our supposed liberal prejudices?


    Nah, let’s be clear … you are nothing other than a fucking bigoted fascist piece of shit — and I’m wondering, if I’m going to go hassle my peaceful Muslim neighbors out of some hair-brained bigoted impression I got off the fucking internet (because if I’m like you I’ve probably never met an actual Muslim in my life) which dictates that Muslims “breed” like rats and everyone of them secretly longs for an Islamic legal code similar to Saudi Arabia, why should I then stop there at just one knee jerk reaction? After all, I’ve got many more prejudices I’d like to service —

    Like, maybe the biggest threat to the “West” is loud mouth quasi-fascist douchebags spreading the fruits of their internet education all over the fucking place? I mean, do we really need assholes like you?

    At the very least, can we can move on from sanitizing the landscape to sanitizing the internet by confiscating the computers of fucktards such as yourself? Or maybe, I dunno, breaking a few of your fucking bones for you? — now that’s a project I’d gladly sign up for.

  • 61. SweetLeftFoot  |  December 9th, 2009 at 2:45 am

    Good article Ames but the title of most deluded American Jewish woman writing about Islam in Europe from behind a desk in New York remains with Ritalin addict Elizabeth Wurtzel’s gem from the start of this year:

    “In fact, in Europe right now, it is de rigueur to liken the current regime in Israel with the Nazi party, and to view the experience of the Palestinians as a form of ethnic cleansing. Hamas and Hezbollah are thought by the French and British to be social welfare organisations, and Israel is viewed as a terrorist state. Here, we honor the linguistic discoveries of Noam Chomsky and otherwise experience him as a quaintly brilliant crank, but in the bookstores in London there are entire sections devoted to his political thought – and he is read as if the distinctions between Leninist and Trotskyite philosophy had genuine consequence in today’s world.

    “Excepting a business trip I took to England, Scotland and Ireland in early 2002, I have not been to Europe since 9/11. It’s become an unbearable place to be, as the anti-American feelings in light of the Iraq war have mingled with antisemitism to a point where they are indistinguishable, the new phobias of the First World.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/16/elizabeth-wurtzel-antisemitism-israel-gaza

    For the record, I live in Britain and if I had to get a bus late at night, and it was going to be filled with teenagers, I’d much prefer it to Muslim kids who probably just be sitting there rather the kind of drunken local yobs who would spit on your girlfriend and then stab you for daring to object.

    You can be sure that the militant young Muslim men occassionally appear on the news waving signs about ‘Death to the those who oppose Islam’ and who heckle soldier’s funerals are MI5 agents

  • 62. Dr. Luny  |  December 9th, 2009 at 2:57 am

    The idea that Europe is somehow going to become Saudi Arabia is absurd. Muslims in Europe look just like the native greasy eurofags, wearing tight jeans, leather jackets, and gelled hair and believing far more seriously in the crazy delusion that they look cool than in the crazy delusion that Mohammed was anything more than a sociopath prankster living the dream.

    As far as the minaret ban goes there’s a fine line between alienating the immigrants and encouraging them to abandon their backwards ways more quickly. This minaret ban is only going to alienate muslims, but most will just roll their eyes and pull out their iPods as they listen to grandpa bemoan the prejudice against Islam.

  • 63. Jesus Christ  |  December 9th, 2009 at 3:07 am

    @rick

    No it was financed by the Olin foundation you retard if people want to read about the Jewish communist holocaust of millions of Russians and Ukranians they would publish and lift there ban on 200 Years Together.

    Stalin was nice enougth to create a Jewish state in Siberia for them.

    @myzzia

    The Jewish banking system that is collapsing.

    Remember Berney Madoff and Marc Rich?

    What about the Jewish Oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine?

    Soros, Rothschild, Neocons, Neo Libs, etc

    @Robert D

    Thats because Muslim in Europe since the Bosnian war have been recruited by western intelligence to fight proxy wars and commit there genocide against ethnic Serbs, Russian, Indians, etc.

    Many senior terror suspects are actually turned out to be SIS agents British intelligence or on the payroll of MI6.

    In fact every major terror attack before and after 9/11 have been ofshoots of Bosnian-Chechen terror network.

    One of the major centre for Islamic proxy activity and a major conduit for Islamic militants run by a Bosnian muslim since the late 80’s is Vienna, Austria.

    Today the US runs the largest international terrorist training camp in the world in the Panski Gorge, Georgia.

    If you want the truth and the full scale gravity and situation of what Russia has to deal with read Paul Murphys book Wolves of Islam he also runs Russian Eurasian Terror Watch Analysis http://www.retwa.com

  • 64. lerodale  |  December 9th, 2009 at 5:37 am

    holy christ the worst decision you ever made was to add a comments form to articles mark. i’ve no idea where these rightist nutballs (seriously, what’s with the way they write?) come from or what they get out of reading the exile but i sure as shit don’t feel envious of ames et al for having to read this crap.

  • 65. Apan  |  December 9th, 2009 at 6:31 am

    We do have crazy fucking muslim separatists in Sweden.

  • 66. z  |  December 9th, 2009 at 8:19 am

    szemét svájciak. egyébként nem csak a muszlimokkal szemétkednek a kapzsi, idegengyűlölő disznók, hanem a kelet-európaiakkal is, pl. a magyarokkal is.

    azért genfben meg zürichben a “nem” győzött.

  • 67. Jesus Christ  |  December 9th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Where is my excellent comment and why was it not posted to clarify the matter for those who addressed me personally?

  • 68. obvious  |  December 9th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    re: mmmm,

    Unfortunately this time, it’s the Swiss, and not their Muslim minority that’s batshit insane. They’ve managed to outlaw the building of MINARETS

  • 69. obvious  |  December 9th, 2009 at 9:22 am

    –the plebiscite was based on paranoid fears of a Muslim takeover. It’s less about ‘protecting’ the native Swiss, than it is about scapegoating a minority. Think of previous nativist responses to other unassimilated minorities. Could you justify the fears about the yellow peril and blood libel? A very short time ago, the same arguments were used to justify exclusionary and discriminatory measures against other groups.

  • 70. poemless  |  December 9th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Love it. She certainly is the gift that keeps on giving.

  • 71. CGee  |  December 9th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Believe what you will, fool.

    It is a documented fact that Mohammad’s youngest wife was a 9-year old girl that he fucked. And that he spread his faith primarily through warfare, as did his successors with the Islamic Empire which swallowed whole everything around.

    I am not ignorant or bigoted. It is you who are ignorant. Sure, there are good Muslims, but generally they are those who don’t follow the true creed of their faith, just as there are good Scientologists and good Moonies. And yes, I have met Muslims. I have even befriended soon. But so long as Islam exists it is a dangerous and tempting force which can pervert and corrupt whoever seeks to understand and embrace it’s true essence. Thus, it is wholly incompatible with the values of freedom and it is a force which needs to be opposed.

    Unless the idea of legalized pedophilia, polygamy and oppression of non-Muslims thrills you. It is a fool’s errand if you think that Muslims, when they breed their way to the majority of Europe’s population, will not happily embrace Sharia and transform the lands around them into Jihadist cesspool colonies.

    Are you really willing to take that chance with the future of Europe? To hand it to barbarians who still practice “honor” killings?

  • 72. Ex-pat  |  December 9th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    “It’s a lost cause for them anyway. Europe’s only two generations tops from being Islamic majority. Immigration+high fertility of minorities always makes for good reading…”

    About time they acted to prevent this ever so charming scenario, then.

    The nonpareil Swiss democracy is something to applaud, not sneer at – and especially not while wallowing in the stinking oligarchic morass that isthe American political machine.

  • 73. General Foods  |  December 9th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    There’s a simple solution to all of this. Iran should pass a law banning the manufacture of Cuckoo Clocks.

  • 74. proletariat  |  December 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    while i do agree with and enjoy this article, i did notice one thing.

    i’m sure those polish guys ARE racist, but israel has called everyone anti-semetic at one point, especially those who oppose their genocidal campaigns.

  • 75. SexyMike  |  December 9th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Another fantastic enlightening article, write more books Ames!

  • 76. pauly  |  December 9th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Brilliant article Mark. Definitely on my top ten list of exiled pieces. Don’t listen to the racist scum bemoaning the loss of their culture.

  • 77. mmmm  |  December 9th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    @General Foods– I like the idea! Most constructive compromise I’ve read so far.

    @pauly– Unless the law restricts the rights of persons with certain ethnicity, it is not racist. Bedouins, Turks, Persians, whatever, are NOT GENETICALLY MUSLIM. Do you think white people are inherently genetically Christian? Are east Indians inherently genetically Hindu? Look, if Albania or Bosnia passes a law prohibiting the construction of steeples, would that be anti-white racism?

    Racism is bad. Laws restricting religious expression, on the other hand, are a time-tested, effective way of preserving cultural homogeneity– and that’s only a bad thing if you’re trying to live in a foreign society without assimilating.

  • 78. yabadabadoo  |  December 9th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Mark you are a jew, she’ a jew – why the beef?

  • 79. adolphhitler  |  December 9th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    dear pauly, i’m not racist scum, i’m ethnocentric scum.

  • 80. CGee  |  December 9th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Just out of curiosity, what “race” is Islam? You Mohammad-huggers sure do love to toss that false accusation around.

    There’s a big difference between hating someone for their race, and hating the cult that they belong to which threatens to engulf them and turn them into mindless slaves of a backwards, barbarian, false theocracy.

  • 81. Necronomic Justice  |  December 9th, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    Critical Race Theory for Dummies.

    -Race is a social construct.

    -As a social construct race is thus fluid.

    -In North America and Western Europe there are essentially only two races that matter: White and Other. (This probably extends to former British colonies like India, and definitely to places like Australia and New Zealand.)

    -What and who might be white in one context, may or may not be white in a different context. (Example European Jews in Israel being able to call Obama a Nigger, vs. European Jews in Tennessee turning down the wrong street one day, and never being heard from again – fuck if I know, I am just going to guess it still happens.)

    -Islam in the European mind is Oriental / Other / Not white. (Even if practiced by a person who may otherwise pass for white all other things considered – once Islam is part of his or her identity he or she is not in the White tribe any longer.

    In Summery, Yes. Yes, European Islamophobia is a racist white supremest reactionary stance.

    Suggested reading: Theodore W. Allen The Invention of the White Race, Noel Ignatiev How the Irish Became White,

    PS Fuck Religion.

  • 82. tam  |  December 10th, 2009 at 12:13 am

    @67 -Jesus Christ

    ‘Where is my excellent comment and why was it not posted to clarify the matter for those who addressed me personally?’

    Funniest comment I’ve read here for ages!
    I can just picture you sitting there at your PC wondering whether Mark and Yasha are in deep consultation with the Elders of Zion, debating whether to censor your dangerous comments!
    Are you really Christ or is it just a pseudoname?

    Fabulous stuff, keep up the good work…

  • 83. mydick  |  December 10th, 2009 at 12:44 am

    Way to spice up excellent piece of journalism with pointless references to a television show that ended thirty years ago. That’s really what the young people are looking for in their ‘blogs’: cultural relevance circa 1979.

    Is your tactic always ‘find the husband first’? I want to try some of this on my own.

  • 84. Wow - Dingbats  |  December 10th, 2009 at 2:22 am

    To all people bashing Ames for allegedly supporting Islam: You Dingbats missed the point of the article!

    This article doesn’t say “Islam – Good”. The article says “Applebaum – hypocrite!”

    You imagining, even for one second, that Ames is a supporter of Islam, simply shows your insecurity with Islam, and I find that hilarious! To summarize the article: Ames says that while Applebaum bashed Russia, she admired Switzerland for doing something much worse! Duh! Ames wants his journalists to be unbiased, irrespective of the country they cover. Applebaum doesn’t do that. So Ames makes fun of it. And you, Dingbats, bash Ames for being pro-Islam. Damn, talk about inability to extract the thesis from an article… and I thought European education was good….

  • 85. xyz  |  December 10th, 2009 at 4:04 am

    @83 Wow- Dingbats. Ames says this , he says that…yawn…and you suck Ames’ dick. Ames certainly pointed out the inconsistencies in Applebaum’s ‘jounralism’, but the tone of the article implies that because the Swiss are being supported by Applebaum, it would mean that the Swiss move was bigoted, racist, stupid and other adjectives. The Swiss move was justified. Somebody has to tell the Mullahs that their nonsense is not going to tolerated. Banning the minarets was justified but not enough, the Swiss should vote to ban the call to prayers as well. The 5 calls to prayer a day is irritating noise at unearthly hours. Go Swiss, the peace nick Swiss are the only ones in Europe with the balls to do something about Islam. What a sorry state of affairs.

  • 86. Joseph Culp  |  December 10th, 2009 at 4:27 am

    Great article! I want you to know that it didn’t bother me one lick. Seriously–I didn’t send in three different comments, and I didn’t sign them anonymously, and I didn’t care and I was actually bored (seriously, so bored that I sent in three different comments). I want you to know that I have a life. I do. Really.

  • 87. mmmm  |  December 10th, 2009 at 5:56 am

    Yeah, the topic sort of got lost there. It sure would be nice to have some proper forums up in this piece! Slap a banner ad up top, or maybe even charge a little (one time) registration fee to enable posting. I’d be down, anyway.

    BTW, if you’ve ever caught yourself using the term “social construct” it’s a fair bet that you’ve lost the argument.

  • 88. Ex-pat  |  December 10th, 2009 at 6:01 am

    “Banning the minarets was justified but not enough, the Swiss should vote to ban the call to prayers as well. The 5 calls to prayer a day is irritating noise at unearthly hours.”

    Actually, the calls to prayer may not be allowed either. I worked near the bijou-but-minareted Mehmet-mosque on Zurich’s Forchstrasse for over a decade, and didn’t hear anything of the sort once.

    May be pointless to call to prayer in a largely non-muslim neighbourhood, tho, so it may be a decision of the imam, not a Swiss bylaw. I can’t imagine the Swiss would permit that sort of noise pollution, mind.

    Zurich’s got lots of lovely church bells, however – you can hear them striking clear across the city. Ahh, the pleasures of living in Europe, not in fkin Karachi.

  • 89. Jesus Christ  |  December 10th, 2009 at 6:26 am

    Perhaps we should ask Jewish supremacist Applebaum why she and her kins folk supported fascist Islamic terrorist government/groups in Bosnia and Chechnya with the Chechens and Bosnians have connections to 9/11 with the Bosnian president meeting Bin Laden personally in 95 and Bosnian government SDA official transferring funds to Atta in New York to supposedly pull of 9/11 false flag attack who was also given Bosnian citizenship along with KSM during the Bosnian working for the CIA/BND. Today they still run Chechen terrorist training camps in Bosnia where the Beslan school massacre was rehearsed and organised in 2004 prior to there assault in Russia under the stewardship of UN representative and MI6 agent Paddy Ashdown with coordination with terrorist front Jihadist organisations in Vienna, Austria.
    Perhaps Mark can put his research thinking cap on, destroy the Al Qaeda myth and show that this international Islamic terrorist movement since 79 is a western intelligence proxy mercenary forces ton destabilise and Balkanise Russia and Eurasia so they can get control of the massive oil and gas reserves.

    @tam

    When I posted my comment No.63 it did not show the usual “awaiting moderation” message so I thought the message was not going to be published which was a response to people who addressed me personally.

    My comments are the most intellectual posted on this article with my opinions back up with facts and references.

    Yes I really am Jesus Christ I have come back to battle against the Talmudic/Kabbalist NWO who have carried on their anti-Christian activity since the Enlightenment then Communism and through Islamic terrorism to destroy Orthodox Christianity like in Kosovo then Russia itself into fragmented pieces.

    Oh wait a minute, I forgot– the entire white world was appalled by Serbia’s actions in Bosnia and Russia’s actions in Chechnya. The only ones not appalled were non-whites. So I guess that means that Russia and Serbia really are, in the words of my hero Hitler (whom I masturbate over every morning), “untermenschen” and “mud people.” And as an untermensch mud person, I will dedicate my entire life to obsessing over Jews. Because that’s just the kinda guy I am. Hey, a lot of Africans would agree with me on this!

  • 90. jimbo  |  December 10th, 2009 at 8:09 am

    Hey Mish I recognize that there are fucktards like you out there who are going to accuse me of racism, thing is I don’t care.

  • 91. CGee  |  December 10th, 2009 at 8:28 am

    There are white Muslims just as there are Arabic Christians. I have no problems with the Arabic race.

    I do have problems with the false ideological cult of Islam, regardless of the color of it’s followers.

  • 92. obvious  |  December 10th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    some of you clowns allude to the atavistic passages of the koran to support your prejudices against muslims in general. taken by itself, it’d ‘seem’ to make sense.

    unfortunately the vast majority of muslims are just born muslim, and do not take the koran literally. conversely, the christian and jewish religious texts also contain very similar, idiotic passages. crap about beating your wife, taking slaves, and killing infidels. yet you guys don’t come out and blame ALL members of these religious faiths.

  • 93. CGee  |  December 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    The Koran is the holy word of God as given directly to the rapist and child molester Mohammad, peace and blessings and dvd’s of Lazy Town be upon him.

    To deny that a single word of this holy book is in any way wrong is blasphemy against Allah and Mohammad and any Muslims who does so is an apostate worthy of death.

  • 94. obvious  |  December 10th, 2009 at 11:09 am

    ^of course, you could choose to cite the bible’s passages too. and there is no shortage of people who take the bible seriously. but then would you condemn all christians as members of a pathologically violent cult?

    from your endless litany of freerepublic inspired posts, i doubt you’d see the inherent hypocrisy, and the labeling of the entire outgroup under one stereotype.

  • 95. CGee  |  December 10th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    First off, the bible’s been written and rewritten countless times through translations. There’s no “direct word from God” like with the Muzzies.

    Secondly, Christians are supposed to follow the Newer Testament.

    Third, where in the bible does it say it’s okay to murder people who reject Christianity or insult Christ or that you’re allowed to warfare endlessly to convert people to Christianity?

    Fourth, I’m not a Freeper, I don’t agree with basically anything they say.

    5th, Mohammad raped one of his wives and he’s a pedophile whose favorite wife was the 9-year old girl he fucked. Mohammad’s the ancestor of Pedobear.

    You, however, seem perfectly happy with Sharia Law permitting the murder of all dissidents and legalizing pedophilia, and you seem to believe that when Muslims make up 90% of France that they’ll all want to be secularists who don’t dress their women up in ghost suits.

  • 96. /b/tard  |  December 10th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    @CGee’s Lazy Town reference.

  • 97. Necronomic Justice  |  December 10th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Y’all gettin’ trolled.

  • 98. CGee  |  December 10th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Lol, that was an epic reference, I’m amused that somebody here actually got it. Yeah, I’m familiar with (uno and dos), but I’m not here to troll. Islam’s an evil and repressive force and that’s what I’m here to teach.

    Anyway, me talking on and on about it isn’t going to do any good and I’m sure my bombastic manner’s probably turned off some people here.

    I’d encourage anyway who wants to learn about Islam to read about it- and read books from apostates and well-known critics. I used to think it a “religion of peace” and all that, and I’m really extremely liberal, but that changed when I started researching it.

    Mohammad’s marriage to Aisha- and his sexual relations with her, and his dozen or so wives and the enslavement/rape of his Jewish wife are all historical facts, as is Jihadist expansion. All I’m saying is- to Ames who defends Islam a LOT- try to look into it. Conservatism may be dumber than fuck but they’re dead right on at least one issue- and that issue is the nature of Islam. (but not on invading countries of course)

    You all say what you want, call me a Freeper or go watch Lazy Town just like how Pedo-Mohammad would, but at least look into Islam and try to see why people feel so strongly about it. After all, conservatives may hate Islam but if it’s just cause of racism, then why no similar hate for Buddhism and Hinduism?

  • 99. obvious  |  December 10th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    *sighs*

    islam just happens to be the scapegoat du jour. and you’re just too dumb to see it.

    hell, the peaceful forgiving god of jesus was used to justify the inquisition, colonialism, and systemic racism.

    ANYTHING can be manipulated for nefarious purposes. the tribalist loyalties and dislikes are no exception. the funny thing is, apart from islam and its related religions, christianity and judaism; buddhism and hinduism have been used to instill idiot tribalist loyalties, AND have been used to purge them’ infidels. *look to india, sri lanka, and burma* but then our oil doesn’t happen to be under the soil of the buddhists and hindus, so nothing more is said.

    yet, you’re here, and the more you write, the more you show your ignorance. and, i’m sure you’ll write a lot more too.

  • 100. CGee  |  December 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    There’s a difference between misusing a religion, and a religion saying that you can go out and conquer as much as you will.

    You don’t know jackshit about jihad or the history of it or all the conquests it led to. It was not a “misusing” of Islam, it was a fulfillment of verse given to Mohammad by Allah and recorded in the Koran. Jihad is still alive and well today, no matter how much you’d like to believe it isn’t.

  • 101. Mark Is God  |  December 10th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    I have no life. End of story.

  • 102. CGee  |  December 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Yes, people can manipulate anything to their ends. But colonialism and racism aren’t a part of the New Testament.

    Jihad is a part of the Koran and it is central to Muslim faith. You should study it more and the role it plays in today’s world.

  • 103. mydick  |  December 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    @89 Jesus

    BLAH BLAH BLAG ZOG ZOG ZOG JEWS JEWS JEWS

    You’re a fucking idiot.

  • 104. xyz  |  December 10th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    @Expat- ‘Zurich’s got lots of lovely church bells, however – you can hear them striking clear across the city. Ahh, the pleasures of living in Europe, not in fkin Karachi.’ Sure the bells of Zurich’s churches are way more pleasant and at least they dont blare from the loud speakers that ‘Allah is the only divinity’. But the point is not about theological arguments, but the radicalism that Mosques breed. Banning minarets is just a small step to control this.

  • 105. Jesus Christ  |  December 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    I dream about Jews every night. Maybe if I masturbated less…but no, that’ll never happen

  • 106. pedro  |  December 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    I think a lot of the Islamic types are pissed with Israels war of aggression against the Palestinians (ooops – rename that “security operations” .

    Ames quit going on about the Nazis- I’ve got Holocaust fatigue quite frankly. If the Gypsies had played there cards half as smart they too would have their own state and limitless US military funding and a “special relationship” with the US to boot!

    Column has gone down big time since War Nerd Gary left.

  • 107. az  |  December 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp

    This is what CGee really believes.

  • 108. braindead  |  December 10th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    ames, this was your best work.

  • 109. CGee  |  December 10th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Hahaha! Truly most epic comic you have there! Jack Chick’s crazy as shit most of the time but he’s spot-on about the Muzzies worshiping a false God and Mohammad being a lying sack of dog mess.

  • 110. Necronomic Justice  |  December 10th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    @106 If the Gypsies played their cards smart they would have been Jews and not Gypsies. DUH!

  • 111. @XYZ  |  December 10th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    You sir are a dingbat. You believe that Ames says Swiss are bad b/c they associate with Applebaum? Will shit, idiot, according to your logic, Americans associate with Bush, so Ames, being an American, is bad. You sir are a true Dingbat.

    Listen up moron, or as you prefer, moran: just because someone supports someone else, doesn’t mean that they are the same entity. Just because ACORN supports Obama, doesn’t mean that Obama is a dingbat. Just because the Swiss are supported by Applebaum, doesn’t make the Swiss Dingbats, got that Dingbat? Although I really shouldn’t post this, it’s people like you that provide me with comic relief. Who knows, one day you might actually improve, and realize that Palin is not the Chosen One. Nah, that’s asking for too much, please sir continue to bash religion. You were one of the participants in the “give me one logical reason…” thread, weren’t you?

  • 112. Necronomic Justice  |  December 10th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    @107,

    Interesting, because:

    http://www.piratejesus.com/nerdcore/data/cthulhu/

    This is what I really believe.

  • 113. captain america  |  December 10th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    i’d like to hear someone respond to cgee’s questions such as:

    “where in the bible does it say it’s okay to murder people who reject Christianity or insult Christ or that you’re allowed to (make) warfare endlessly to convert people to Christianity?”

    rather than put words in his mouth like az in post 107. maybe that’s just me, though.

  • 114. Allen  |  December 10th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    I’m not going to address CGee; I think he should probably move his ass over to Yahoo message-boards or any other public cesspool where dipshits go to publicly urinate.

    I do want to know where marginally (I’m being chartable here) more reasonable people such as xyz get off. They claim to be trying to defend the West — but what’s the “West”?

    The hooplah from the cheerleaders is that it is place where things like universal standards and fairness prevail. Another way of saying this is that it is a place where rationality prevails.

    That means if you let one group of dingbats build their funny buildings, wear their funny hats, and worship their funny little invisible man in whatever language they want, you let them all do it — that way you aren’t contradicting yourself and creating cognitive dissonance for everybody. You have universally applied the law and not singled anybody out.

    That doesn’t mean you stop enforcing your criminal code — You don’t worry one day your will might weaken because of all the funny hats and buildings; you have confidence in your own government and laws.

    “But what if someday the Muslim hordes ask for some extreme tribal asshole of the world form of Shariah that only 3% of them fucking support even today?”

    Ah… you say “no?”

    “But then they might commit terrorism?!”

    Well aren’t we off on a ridiculously speculative tangent. But, why not, I’ll try this one too … ummm … that’s one of the seemingly legitimate reasons we have *the police*?

    Randomly changing the laws to marginalize “undesirables” because they might assail our mythical standard of “culture” whith their funny buildings and holy scribblings is nothing other than glaringly absurd and pathetic. The fascist mode of comedy?

    This goes double if said knee jerk reaction is based off of paranoid bigotry and conspiracy theories.

  • 115. Flatulissimo  |  December 10th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    “unfortunately the vast majority of muslims are just born muslim, and do not take the koran literally.”

    UNFORTUNATELY?!?!

    “This minaret ban is only going to alienate muslims, but most will just roll their eyes and pull out their iPods as they listen to grandpa bemoan the prejudice against Islam.”

    Jeebus, lets hope so. I gots no problem with Muslims or followers of any other stupid religion, as long as they just go through the motions for bullshit reasons (tradition, family, community, warm fuzzy feelings of pretending there is life after death, etc.) like normal people. It’s the ones who actually believe their particular brand of religious crap that worry me.

  • 116. CGee  |  December 10th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    There’s a lot more support for Sharia amongst your Muzzie kind then you openly suggest, Allen. Or they themselves would suggest. Tis far better and safer to come like thieves in the night with daggers pointed at one’s back than to come as a large army announcing all of one’s intents against a large army which would have time to prepare, particularly right now before the Muzzies have mass-breeded their way to Zerg domination over Europe after which some madman will declare himself the new Caliph/Overmind.

    I understand that in the Koran Muzzies are allowed to lie to advance their agendas. After his first (and only real) major military defeat Mohammad agreed to conditions from his enemy later to break them. His excuse was that God allows one to lie to the infidels if it advances the causes of the Muzzies. Thus, lies and deceptions are permissible infinitely so long as it benefits Islam.

    Tell me, are you intentionally lying to appease your false mad God, the deified pagan Moon statue of Allah? Or are you simply so self-deluded and so high off of being an uber-liberal that even if Satan returned to earth and formed his own religion that you’d want to give it equal rights? Because that’s basically what you suggest when you support Islam.

    http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Safiyah

  • 117. az  |  December 10th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    83: this is because Mark is a Muslim chauvinist and misogynist who can only libel the women brave enough to be enemies of Islam while ignoring them as inferior and going after their husbands who don’t keep them obedient enough to blah blah something like that.
    Oh and by the way my favorite song is Helen Reddy’s “I Am Woman.” Seriously, I cry every day when I read it. I also burned my man-boobs bra several times.

  • 118. xyz  |  December 11th, 2009 at 1:03 am

    @111, you are right to be loyal to Ames. I grunt when I suck dick in the army. For your info I dont support Palin, I dont care about Acorn nor care either way about the latest God of intelligent liberals- Obabma. Some day I’ll learn to spell his name. I am not a conservative nor a liberal. I am not even white. I am just an idiot who thinks he has it all figured out, and that’s why my comment matter so much. So fuck you and your conclusions.

    But you are one big bingdat. Because I said that the Swiss vote was right, you clubbed me with Palin and Acorn bashers. I did not even say anything about Applebaum, but apparently your reading skill is so good that you could read between lines and conclude that I love Applebaum. So fuck you terard.

    If it pleases you let me say that Christianity is retarded too. But the point is the Swiss are only vaguely, nominally Christian and dont take the religious nonsense too seriously. I am a retard, if you haven’t figured that out.

    I will say this again for your benefit. The Swiss were right to ban minarets and they would be right to take more measures against Islamisation. And you whiny wimpy liberals can cry. Me, I am a warrior in my bedroom commenting on articles. I don’t whine. I comment.

  • 119. Allen  |  December 11th, 2009 at 1:25 am

    *Charitable*

    I’ve lost the ability to be patient somewhere a long the path here…

    I see no one bothered to address, for example, Robert D’s more reasoning approach in any meaningful way…

  • 120. Tam  |  December 11th, 2009 at 6:01 am

    @105

    That’s the single weirdest thing I’ve ever read about The Messiah on the entire internet.

  • 121. Pádraig Ó Buth Chanain  |  December 11th, 2009 at 6:06 am

    http://pulsemedia.org/2009/10/21/the-empire-lovers-strike-back/

  • 122. Necronomic Justice  |  December 11th, 2009 at 7:15 am

    @113, I think Geezus was most awesome in Luke 14:26 and Matthew 10:34

  • 123. Ex-pat  |  December 11th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    “…our mythical standard of “culture”…”

    The Swiss seem very happy with their culture – ah, I mean, “culture”. Maybe someone should explain to them that the concept’s mythical and tangential.

  • 124. @XYZ  |  December 11th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    You seem to be talking about sucking Ames’ dick a lot, are you just jealous that he’s getting all the women? Or are you trying to somehow imply that I’m gay? Yup, that definitely counters my point, no need to focus on the argument, just call me a fag. Wow, I thought Internet Tough Guys didn’t devolve to kindergarten, way to prove me wrong there tiger.

    And wow, Dingbat, is bashing, but “terard”? Is that supposed to be an allusion to the tea party? Or is it that you just can’t spell? It’s moron, not moran. It’s retard, not terard. Are Americans devolving to the level where they cannot even spell anymore?

    Wow, my posts really piss you off. Some warrior. More like a French Whiner complaining about the XYZ affair’s unfavorable treatment.

    And for your information, where, in any of my posts, did I praise Islam? How’s life with dem Texan girls? Find Laura yet?

    I also love the new Internet Tough Guy standards, the morons who thing that saying “I’m not white!” makes them less of an idiot.

    By all means XYZ, please keep on posting, calling me a fag and a “terard”. As an intelligent straight guy who comes to the site just to bash Dingbats, you are giving a great time! But “terard”, before you post again, learn Trolling 101, Dingbat.

    Eagerly Awaiting Your Response,

    Straight, Intelligent Troll 😀

  • 125. Jewish Gulag victim  |  December 11th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    I forgot to take my Thorazine today. Just thought I’d let everyone know.

  • 126. RPG Cunthair  |  December 12th, 2009 at 3:31 am

    XYZ is an injun who can’t figure why he can’t get white pussy. Try eating less curry for a start. Maybe if you stope eating and drinking cow shit and piss would also help. You will smell better…more white pussy….happy injun. Logic, you little cunt.

  • 127. adolphhitler  |  December 12th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    just reading these posts shows that religion remains the source of most conflict

  • 128. xyz  |  December 12th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    @RPG cunthair. Bravo for guessing I am ‘injun’. Way to go Harvard. I dont want stinking white pussy.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23574940
    A similar survey in Europe would probably reveal something worse. Hmm if 25% of the American women have STDs, then assuming you are an American, and assuming that you dont eat curry or drink cow piss like I do, you must have got plenty of white pussy, so chances are that syphilis has completely eaten away your pea sized brain.

  • 129. xyz  |  December 12th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    @124. Congratulations you are a fag. You seem to like being called one, so here goes – You are a FAG. Your liberal whiny brain is wrapped in so many layers of shit that nothing seems to sink into that. French whiner? Only fools think the French whine. Actually your last post didnt have shit about the point which you were debating, which is, er nothing. You never made one, just lots of name calling and ‘comic relief’ bullshit. When somebody says random comments from unknown people are a comic relief, you can be sure that they are FAGS.
    http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251889

  • 130. Allen  |  December 12th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    What exactly is the Swiss “culture”? (Oh look I went and quoted that again). Chocolates? Hiding Nazi tooth-gold?

    Being petty fucks?

    So I guess it’s … Traditional Swiss folk culture +(plus) mainstream culture from elsewhere in Europe and the U.S. +(plus) whatever else -(minus) whatever the fuck, I guess they’re feeling mean spirited today?

    Well. Far be it for me to impugn such a wholly coherent and pristine picture.

  • 131. adolphhitler  |  December 13th, 2009 at 8:37 am

    @128…wow, xyz is an indian. Its great to get some perspective on this issue from someone who is not a white christian.I’m amazed we agree on these issues.Keep posting and fuck these other assholes.

  • 132. RPG Cunthair  |  December 13th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    XYZ:

    You are a yappy little injun, aintcha. That link you posted didn’t mention syphilis. So other than a drippy cock my health is good and my brain is okay. You, eater of cow dung and drinker of cow pee, however will never see, feel or taste sweet white pussy. The taste and smell of Chlamydia infested gash is something to behold my curried friend.

  • 133. Lysander  |  December 13th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    At “Captain America” Et Al

    “where in the bible does it say it’s okay to murder people who reject Christianity or insult Christ or that you’re allowed to (make) warfare endlessly to convert people to Christianity?”

    The New Testament Says no such thing. But as for the Old Testament, still part of “The Bible” as I understand, go ahead and google “Joshua” “Jericho” “Amelekites” and any number of laws in Leviticus and tell us what you find.

    It wont be pretty and will make the Koran seem quaint by comparison.

  • 134. Roob  |  December 13th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    thank you

  • 135. Roobit  |  December 13th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Mr. Ames, this is your best article so far. It is incredibly good, I savored every word of it. Thank you. Now please do the same sort of intellectual expose on Ed Lucas.

  • 136. CGee  |  December 13th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Good thing I’m Christian, and that the New Testament supersedes the Old Testament.

    And no, even the worst of the Old Testament is nothing compared to the Koran. Look at the Jews of today vs. the barbaric Muslims.

  • 137. Allen  |  December 13th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Yes the L-rd is like Y-hweh 2.0 … He no longer requires the Jews to invade places and destroy them from existence down to the last dead cow and child slave.

    Now they just have to sit around and wait for G-d to personally wipe Rome from the map, which He will — any day now. Although that seems kinda, like, unnecessary by this point. Still, I bet it would be a magnificent fireworks show; I would even pay to see it. (Eat that tourists!)

    Though Cgee is a good example of Christian evolution: from roasting Muslim children over a spit, to burning protestants, to burning the papists, all the way to mundane keyboard crusades, and all in just 1000 years!

    But now that we have cleared up Muhammed’s conspiracy to deliver the Arabs from paganism into the arms of paganism, how about we roll onto another stimulating topic.(Rolling the dice here) … The Masons’ Satanic One World government plan?

  • 138. Jewish Gulag victim  |  December 13th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    @CGee

    The Babylonian Talmud not the bible a titanic piece of dog shit that condones child rape, theft, murder and slavery of non-Jews is the Jewish holy book and religious authority.

    Christian leader Ted Pike in his video “Other Israel” gives a good analysis of the Jewish religion and political movements.

    Islam and Judaism twin brothers separate mothers.

    Other than Palestine Jews and Muslim work together to bring about the NWO.

  • 139. CGee  |  December 13th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Also, the Jews don’t read everything in the Old Testament literally today. However, the Muzzies treat everything in the Koran as SERIOUS BUSINESS, and the problem is that the Koran was invented by a half-mad, power-deranged, desert barbarian who paid Christians and Jews to tell his illiterate dumb ass bible stories which he then cleverly altered a bit (while tossing in some genie action and Jew-hating crap) thus creating the shitstain upon this world known as the Quran, a book inspiring people to madness, intolerance and murder.

  • 140. Necronomic Justice  |  December 13th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    @136 You are aware that the Jews of today have a ritual where they eat Christian babies, right?

  • 141. pedro  |  December 14th, 2009 at 12:18 am

    Allen @ 130

    This summarizes Swiss culture nicely:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv1QDlWbS8g

    Mark- why not address the fundamental issue of how Western Liberal democracies can effectively deal with Militant Islam without compromising their values.

    Try building a synogogue or Catholic church in Saudi Arabia/ Qatar / Afganistan etc and see how you are welcomed.

  • 142. Necronomic Justice  |  December 14th, 2009 at 3:50 am

    Dear team eXiled,

    As long as you are going to allow the idiot masses (my self admittedly included) leave comments, I will offer my comment editing services free of charge if you so desire.

    Until we get the gulags up and running, editing comments is the best form of entertainment I think of.

  • 143. CGee  |  December 14th, 2009 at 8:47 am

    Necronomic Justice, a guy who claims that Jews today devour babies being in full control of editing all posts on Exiled- what could possibly go wrong? (aside from everything)

  • 144. obvious  |  December 14th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    CGee’s just an example of the brainwashed hordes who are easily manipulated into a frothy vengeance against the outgroup. sadly, there are many of his ilk, and there are a small number of people in the media and political world who derive their power from manipulating the CGees of the world. Then there are the muslim versions of CGee. Too bad we can’t just have a clean war between the two groups of numbnuts.

    Oh wait, CGee is too busy drowning the internet non-believers with his sea of tautology. Thus he isn’t available to fight against the infidels in the physical realm.

  • 145. CGee  |  December 14th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Btw, my last post on this topic- (Even if any pro-Armenian genocide Mohammad-huggers come by and flame me again) look up “Rifqa Bary”, a young girl beaten by her dad who fled her family after they threatened to murder her for becoming an apostate and leaving behind Islam to become a Christian.

    That is the true face of Islam. We’re not responsible for terrorism because Banana Republic stores give jobs to shiftless Indonesians, the terrorists themselves do what they do because they feel their faith compels them to and because they fucking hate Jews and non-Muzzies who don’t want to live in Shariah hellholes.

  • 146. Orion  |  December 14th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    @CGee

    hey, african tribes still cut up their children. we should nuke them too!
    ahahahahhahahahha

    short-tempered social darwinists advocating wholesale slaughter of the third world peoples on the basis that they retain ancient cultures and practices? is that what the hundreds of posts are about? ..BUT..THE MUSLIMS ARE THE ESPECIALLY VINDICTIVE ONES! HAHAHAHA I BEAT MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU EVERY WEEK!

  • 147. Necronomic Justice  |  December 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    @143. CGee “Necronomic Justice, a guy who claims that Jews today devour babies being in full control of editing all posts on Exiled.”

    Exactly my point. I would be a perfect fit for the job. Thanks.

  • 148. Necronomic Justice  |  December 14th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    @145. CGee “Btw, my last post on this topic-”

    I call bullshit on this. I hope I am wrong.

  • 149. Lysander  |  December 15th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    “And no, even the worst of the Old Testament is nothing compared to the Koran.”

    Really…Please find a comparable passage in the Koran to this one from Joshua Chapter 6 verses 16-21 Where Joshua instructs his army to massacre everyone, young and old, men and women.

    16And at the seventh time, when the priests had blown the trumpets, Joshua said to the people, ‘Shout! For the Lord has given you the city. 17The city and all that is in it shall be devoted to the Lord for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live, because she hid the messengers we sent. 18As for you, keep away from the things devoted to destruction, so as not to covet* and take any of the devoted things and make the camp of Israel an object for destruction, bringing trouble upon it. 19But all silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are sacred to the Lord; they shall go into the treasury of the Lord.’ 20So the people shouted, and the trumpets were blown. As soon as the people heard the sound of the trumpets, they raised a great shout, and the wall fell down flat; so the people charged straight ahead into the city and captured it. 21Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.”

    And that was after 3 minutes of searching. There is probably worse.

    And yet, it would be the height of bigotry to run about call Jews names and insults based on that.

    “Look at the Jews of today vs. the barbaric Muslims.”

    Yes. Please do. Have a look at the open air concentration camp known as Gaza and tell me how that’s totally consistent with your New Testament beliefs.

  • 150. adolphhitler  |  December 15th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    @149..you are right, Gaza is nothing but a huge concentration camp.And we wonder why the moslems hate us? The best way to defuse moslem jihad is to stop helping israel steal arab land in the west bank and and east jerusalem

  • 151. captain america  |  December 15th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    there’s not much worse, lysander. joshua is generally considered the low-point as far as the bible and crazy, genocidal brutality go.

    i happen to be studying the koran right now. i found the passage that gives the ok to lying to infidels (sura 68: 35, 45). still haven’t found the part about making war on nonbelievers, but i’m only about 25% of the way through.

  • 152. Lysander  |  December 15th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Captain America, its easy to look at a religious document and trash it. Check out the Book of Mormon, or the Hindu texts believed by a billion people, or as we’ve seen, the Old Testament.

    To an outsider, none of that stuff makes a damned bit of sense, is plagued with inconsistencies, and defies rational belief.

    And yet lots of rational and intelligent people believe it and there’s no percentage in insulting them so I don’t.

    And so what Muslims believe seems bat shit crazy to others, but let them believe what they will. As far as violence goes, add up all the people killed by suicide bombers and they don’t add up to the 2.7 million killed by the US in Vietnam. Or the however many killed in Cambodia. Or the possibly one million killed in Iraq post invasion. Or however many killed during 10 years of sanctions and enforcement of the “no fly zone” Or the however many killed by Central American death squads.

    Take a walk down any street in Cairo or Damascus or Tehran. Then walk down SE Washington DC or Detroit or Dallas and tell me where you feel safer.

  • 153. Allen  |  December 16th, 2009 at 4:12 am

    @Captain America #151

    Sura 68 is near the very end of the Qu’ran. Are you reading backwards from the end to uncover hidden messages or something?

    I’m not exactly sure where you get that it gives to “okay” to lie to “infidels”, either. Well, I suppose Ayahs #44 and #45 *might* give this impression. In the second part of #44 God uses the royal “We” when referring to leading non-believers astray; I suppose this might be confused with “we” as being the Muslim community.

    What the section actually means is that God will provide non-believers many opportunities to compound their follies; they will be given all the rope they need hang themselves.

    A recurring theme in the Qur’an … Why not help the ‘unenlightened’ instead? … You got me.

    In any case, the section does not refer to “lying to unbelievers”.

    Moving on, sections about making war on “non-believers” can be found if you read obtusely enough. A popular Ayah quoted about “slaying non-believers where-ever you find them” is often taken out of context, for example. To digress, some of the Qur’an was revealed in response to direct questions asked of the Prophet; that particular passage answered the query — “if we are attacked by our pagan enemies in Mecca (holy ground) are we permitted to make self defense?” Answer: slay those who have made war on you wherever you find them, even in the mosque at Mecca (so long as they attack first.)

    So there is your Qur’an lesson for the day, from an agnostic …

    The real problem vis a vis some of the religious extremists in Islam today is that they interpret the religion in the same manner as its critics — with as much intentional stupidity as possible. Actually, I’ve read the Qur’an and the Bible; in my opinion both are very dangerous in the hands of stupid people & the mentally ill***, which are sadly key demographics for religions everywhere.

    ***(The Bible more so probably, most of the craziness in Islam actually comes from the legal philosophy/interpretation that has accumulated around it over the centuries — see folks like Tamiyya and Hanbal).

  • 154. captain america  |  December 16th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    i think my koran has the suras in a non-traditional order (i went with the least expensive koran they had at borders). i think they’re in chronological order. iirc, when i’ve made other attempts to get through the koran, they’ve gone from longest to shortest.

    obviously you can get what you want out of any religious text. “lying to infidels is ok” seemed by far the most obvious interpretation of that part of sura 68 to me, but if you see it differently, good for you. seems to me that you’re bending over backwards to get a more PC reading, but i don’t claim to be an expert on this stuff. i’m just trying to approach it with an open mind.

  • 155. Allen  |  December 17th, 2009 at 3:07 am

    Well it might be your translation; I think the Koran is a headache to read in English in any case. In classical Arabic it is supposed to have this musical rhyming quality … in English it is just … odd.

    68:44 Then leave Me alone with such as reject this Message: by degrees shall We punish them from directions they perceive not.

    68:45 A (long) respite will I grant them: truly powerful is My Plan.

    This is a little different from my version …

    (Capital letter pronouns are always God referring to Himself — yes it is the royal “We”).

    Any rate, the Qu’ran is often interpreted in the most unapologetically hackneyed way possible by its critics; that said, it is still miles away from “PC” and pretty hard to be PC about by the same token.

  • 156. Josh  |  December 18th, 2009 at 6:52 am

    Mark you are so right, Applebaum is such a twat.

  • 157. Northern Observer  |  December 18th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    There is a fundamental difference between the role of violence in the Christian and Hebrew Bible and the roles of violence in the Koran. Violence in the Judeo Christian texts is historical and limited and as the holy book progresses in time violence is viewed less and less favorable. In the Koran violence is portrayed as an eternal obligation of the believer not part of a historical story. And this makes all the difference. While it is true that some islamic cultures have developed a benin Islam of the 5 pillars that stresses calm peacefullness, there have always existed strains that promoted hyper violence both against believers and unbelievers. The issue today is that violent strains of Islam are on the rise and have been since the Wahabi revolution in 18th century Saudi Arabia. Qutb and Khomeini took this even further. So Islam is entering a dark period where its believers must decide whether to back a strain of peaceful traditionalism which gently tolerates modernity or as a violent revolutionary movement that aims to take on the World. So for the duration of this struggle non Muslims and non Muslim countries need to be wary of Muslim immigration to their countries.
    As a basic test the West should insist on religious reciprocity, Muslims are allowed to proselytize in our countries why aren’t Christians, Baha’is, Buddhists, etc.. allowed to proselytize in “Muslim” countries? Reciprocity. Oh and the Turks could show a nice gesture by rededicating the Haga Sophia as a Church and allow orthodox services. Just saying.

  • 158. captain america  |  December 18th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    allen, i see what you’re saying. one of my strongest impressions in my reading of the koran has been that it would probably flow a lot better in arabic.

    interesting points about violence in islam that northern observer made. i’m interested to see how much there is in the koran that clearly justifies that kind of stuff.

  • 159. Allen  |  December 19th, 2009 at 4:22 am

    What’s not apparent because of the style of the Qur’an is that a lot of the “violence” is in context. Many of the more violent passages directly refer to the war of the Muslims against the pagans of Mecca; this event was the birth pangs of Islam.

    The tradition of Abraham had been alive within Arab communities for over a thousand years — not surprising as there is an ethnic and linguistic kinship between Arabs and Jews. The war was seen as one of full restoration of this tradition, the lifting of pagan darkness (jahliya), and the coming of a new (and final) covenant between believers and the One God.

    At any rate, in Islam there is a code of warfare which is pretty close to just war theory — Wars may only be defensive or to lift oppression, must have a reasonable chance of achieving something, and non-combatants of all kinds including prisoners may not be harmed (trouble being this was occasionally ignored even in Muhammad’s time, such as Sa’d ibn Mua’dh’s ruling against the Qurayza’s Jews — though this was considered more of a legal matter, as the Qurayza were seen as “traitors”).

    In the Qur’an, to reiterate, it is stated that Muslims may fight those who attack them until they cease hostility but may not transgress the “limits”, as God does not love transgressors (2:190 — sometimes interpreted as God does not love “aggressors”).

    That’s the charitable view; reality is another matter. There have been many violent readings of the Islamic tradition as a whole. For one thing, the Islamic community quickly transitioned to a community of men who valued it for its material power. Ironically not too long after Muhammad’s death the community became largely controlled by the wealthy and powerful (formerly pagan) families who had led the fight against the Prophet in the first place. These people would take any reason to expand their power and wealth. (That’s not a view many Muslims would love me for, btw.)

    Things got even worse centuries later after the destruction of much of the Islamic world by the mongols; after this point many hysterical and brutally unsophisticated versions of Islam emerge. These traditions are drawn on by Islamic extremists even today.

    Interestingly, there has slowly been a backlash against Jihadi cult ideology from some (former) elements of the Islamic Militant movement itself. Sayyed Imam Al-Sharif (Dr.Fadl), perhaps the most central philosophical and ideological figure influencing al-Quaeda, has recently recanted. He has called for a halt to all jihadi attacks against the Muslim world and the West. He has criticized terrorist attacks based on the just war theory I elaborated plus other criteria — for example criticizing 9-11 hijackers for breaking an implicit contract (their visas to be in America) and thus engaging in treachery.

    Anyway, “Islam” is not easily made a liberal creed by any stretch, but it is not a rabid warlike cult either — in essence. Just as one might take the Bible and its many all or nothing genocidal (but contextualized in myth-history) moments as having influenced the European mindset***1, someone might in turn argue that there is an element of egotistical/imperialistic combativeness in the Islamic tradition. They might not be entirely wrong in either case, but it’s not something that it is fair or intellectually honest to essentialize — when we do we are only mobilizing propaganda for our own ideological (or rhetorical) ends.

    (***1 I could say more about this, but this post is too long already. I apologize; I am not lecturing or demanding a response … just bored and have insomnia).

  • 160. screw david mamet  |  December 21st, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Noting that Israel (or the deeply dishonest ADL or SPLC) has marked someone as “anti-Semitic” is not saying much. Desmond Tutu and Jimmy Carter were outed as Nazis by the illiterate David Mamet. The same rightist Jews who are so concerned with deciding who is and is not a Nazi cuddle up to blatantly anti-Semitic rulers who say the right things about the Israeli government. This guy Sikorski is clearly everything you say, but it doesn’t help your cause to insert a condemnation from Pat Robertson based on messages from God, or for that matter from the bloodthirsty child-killing homewrecking organ-stealing law-defying marauders of Tel Aviv.

  • 161. captain america  |  December 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    allen, i thought your post was interesting, for what it’s worth.

  • 162. Oliver  |  December 26th, 2009 at 5:42 am

    People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones,that’s what I say.
    John Dolan is a notorious Irish-American Catholic bigot in the same vein as his compatriot, Father James Coughlan. I’ve been reading his articles. He’s a bitter little bogman who uses your newspaper to spew horrible invective against protestants. He hates the English. He writes longwinded articles. He pines for the Tridentine Mass. He likes Céline. But, unlike Céline, he keeps his own counsel with regard to international Jewry, for he knows very well what side his bread is buttered on. No he won’t bite the hand that feeds him. Not John Dolan, no not him. Mark Amis calls the shots hereabouts. Nor will he talk about sex for he hates his own body and by extension everybody else’s. His cousins back in Ireland must now be very proud of him indeed saying things like “Have you ever heard of John Dolan, he’s a cousin of mine, so he is. He wrote a book in America, so he did. You’ll see a great piece by him about George Orwell and Christopher Hitchens on the internet, so you will”!

  • 163. Marius  |  December 26th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    I just read all the comments…. holy sh.t …

  • 164. Expat in BY  |  December 28th, 2009 at 4:59 am

    162. Oliver

    Lovely example of how to throw stones in glass houses, so your comment is. Lovely little bitter invective about the cousins in Ireland, so it was.

    About the only criticism I would have with Dolan on picking on the English is that it’s too easy to do. With all the fucked up shit that England has done since the writing of the King James Bible, not only to Ireland, but the rest of the world, there aren’t too many that would defend the English outside of England (certainly not the Chinese, who rightly regard them historically as glorified dope pushers). I know of a few English expats who want nothing to do with their own homeland.

    And I’d rather read from someone who doesn’t talk about sex than someone who spews moral tripe about how sex is the work of the devil, or some shit like that. Ask a 17th century Puritan what to do with someone who isn’t afraid of enjoying sex, and it won’t be too far off from what CGee apparently believes a Muslim would say in response to the same question.

    But then I’m sure Lord Protector Cromwell would be pleased with your little ditty, written in his name, and would be a smilin’ down upon you… from the highest rock in Hell.

  • 165. Oliver  |  December 28th, 2009 at 7:48 am

    While I was working in San Francisco in the eighties I once had an encounter with a very sinister and uncouth individual. It could be seen by their manners, their sense of dress and personal hygiene that neither this person nor the company he was keeping on that night held themselves or each other in very high esteem. Nor did they have any particular esteem for the people in their immediate vicinity, as was evidenced by the abusive manner in which they behaved towards my friends and I, and this despite the fact that together my friends and I had been going through some major distress at that time and had told these people as much in an effort to obtain some goodwill and sympathy on their part instead of the downright hostility they were exhibiting towards us for no apparent reason whatsoever. Because of this and after reading much of the abusive material in this newspaper, I have come to the conclusion that the individual I mention was none other than the same John Dolan who is now the cultural correspondent of this newspaper. I am all the more convinced of what I say having just discovered on the internet that the same John Dolan was living in or around San Francisco in the mid-eighties at around the same time as when the incident I mention occurred. It should also be noted that on the night in question not one of the people in John Dolan’s company was a woman, which was certainly not the case with me and my friends.

  • 166. RPG Cunthair  |  December 28th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    So what you sayin Ollie? That JD is some sort of prevert or a ‘mo or what?

  • 167. Necronomic Justice  |  December 28th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    @165, who gives a fuck?

  • 168. Oliver  |  December 29th, 2009 at 1:08 am

    Prevert had great esteem for himself and great esteem for other people. Prevert never had any trouble talking about women. It seems, from what I have read, that in fact Prevert felt very much at ease when in the company of women.

  • 169. Necronomic Justice  |  December 29th, 2009 at 7:11 am

    @168

    No, really. Who. Gives. A. Fuck?

  • 170. Ukrainian famine hoax  |  December 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Mark are you going to put on your investigative journalist hat on and debunk the Holomodor Ukrainian famine hoax which as revealed at the time as Nazi propaganda and William Randolph Hearst US media publisher who had documented connections to the Nazis then later with Harvest of Despair documentary and Harvest of Sorrow by Robert Conquest who the British Foreign office and CIA anti-communist propaganda department used footage from the 20-21 Volga famine.

    “According to a 1978 article in The Guardian of London, Robert Conquest got his big break shortly after World War II, when he joined the Information Research Department of the British Foreign Office. Staffed heavily by émigrés, the IRD’s mission was a covert “propaganda counter-offensive” against the Soviet Union. It was heady, hands-on work for a young writer, a chance to slant media coverage of Russia by adding political “spin” to Eastern bloc press releases and funneling them to top reporters. The journalists knew little about the IRD, beyond the names of their mysterious contacts. The public knew nothing at all, even as their opinions were being sculpted.”

    When it was revised during the 80’s with support from the like of CIA man William Buckley and the AEI with funding and sponsorship Nazi affiliated Nationalist terrorists groups in the Ukraine émigré’s in US and Canada who funded the well documented debunked Harvest of Despair documentary and Harvest of Sorrows book .

    Village Voice article 1988.

    http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/vv.html

    “The Hoax of the Man-Made Ukraine Famine of 1932-33” Six part series.

    http://www.plp.org/cd_sup/ukfam1.html

    Canadian researcher Douglas Tottles rare book Fraud, Famine and Fascism
    The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard

    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm

  • 171. Henri  |  December 30th, 2009 at 4:57 am

    Good work, Ames. Funny to see the comments being taken over by the all-so-familiar European xenophobic scapegoat speech. I guess it has more to do with hard times than any real problem with Islam. It’s just that people have been forced to pull their heads out of their smug European asses and they’re looking for someone to blame. Of course, people with an immigrant background often stick out, and are good targets for the class-conscious white under and middle class butt-fucked by modern capitalism.

    If I’m allowed to get into this hate thing myself, I propose we hate the Swiss. Their banking laws and quasi EU membership have allowed them to freeride on the benefits of the four freedoms (without giving anything back) and above all, the capital sucked from the veins of European tax-payers and third-world countries sucked dry by their dictators and organized crime. All this while pretending to be some sort of poster-child for Western democracy and enlightenment.

  • 172. pedro  |  January 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    @170 Ukranian Famine Hoax- wasn’t William Buckley captured tortured and skinned alive in Lebanon in th 80’s. ?

    Hey Mark- bring back the War Nerd.

  • 173. Alex_C  |  January 5th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Uhhh… .whut?

    What’s wrong with banning Muslims from Switzerland? Ban Jews too to make it fair, such a deeeeal!

    I don’t have much buying power but I swear, if the Swiss have the guts to do what’s right I’ll eat one of those overpriced Lindt chocolate bars a day.

  • 174. Ukrainian famine hoax  |  January 7th, 2010 at 2:55 am

    @172 pedro

    Is that some shitty joke?

    He was a CIA stooge who died in 2008.

    Do you deny the famine was a hoax then disprove the things brought up in the articles?

  • 175. AngelOvLight  |  March 10th, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Mają bardzo fajne zdjęcia, na jednym tak fajnie patrzy na Radka. Politycznie reprezentują się ciekawie, bo dostrzegają zagrożenie ze strony Rosji, co Zachód, zapatrzony na ręce pana Putina leżące na kurkach z gazem, ignoruje i nie dostrzega. Myślę, że powinni wraz z kolegami partyjnymi zdynamizować i “przejąć” kontrolę nad kampanią nim Bronek zgoli wąsy:P Spójrzmy na akcję pali kota: to tak naprawdę niewinny początek. Bo zamieńmy słowo publicystka słowem Żydówka, mają gotowe odpowiedzi na takie kwestie? Bo prędzej czy później jakiś buraczany bulterier to ruszy. Osobiście uważam, że polski antysemityzm to sprawa rozdmuchana, gorsi są w tym francuzicy na przykład.

  • 176. AngelOvLight  |  March 10th, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Bo Putinka to trzeba niestety krótko, wbrew temu co większość uważa że germanie i ruskie to teraz rządzą w polityce, a my mamy prawo siedzieć cicho! Kaczka akurat zrobił dobrze jadąc wtedy do gruzji, zresztą już Piłsudski sponsorował gruzińskich wywrotowców. A ta ciota Sarko pozuje do fot z monte carlą i ma się za prezydenta europy.
    Radosławie i Anno, do roboty! Jesteście fajniejsi od nich:)

  • 177. Marc Applebaum  |  March 16th, 2010 at 5:40 am

    Who?

    FREE AMERICA

    REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

  • 178. Paul Cho  |  October 23rd, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    you are the dingbat!

  • 179. Joe the Hoe  |  October 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    No Paul, You are the dingbat!

  • 180. Häng gud  |  February 21st, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I’ve lived in Malmö for two years after growing up in a municipality without a single muslim in it. I really can’t see what the racists are crying about.

    Recently there was a suicide bomber in Stockholm who only managed to blow his own guts out. Shows he was perfectly integrated, he was probably afraid someone would frown if he made too much noice.

  • 181. M Arith  |  November 28th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    I recently went to a lecture at the London School of Economics in which Applebaum was one of the speakers. She made the following statement, which I immediately wrote down.

    “I wouldn’t count out Paul Ryan. He’s very well respected by both the Democrats and the Republicans.”

  • 182. Janne k  |  May 26th, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    Just saw an certain documentary here in Finland and thought, “who the fuck is Anne applebaum, and why does she get to spout such utter nonsence in national television”. So I googled her, after a quick read at wiki, I again googled her, this time my search was Fuck Anne. Applebaum. That lead to your article here, and reading this just cemented my first impression of her, as a dingbat russofobe.


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