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eXile TV / September 29, 2011

Yasha Levine and Mark Ames went on MSNBC’s Dylan Ratigan Show today to talk about their scoop in The Nation magazine about Charles Koch and Friedrich Hayek’s secret love affair with Social Security. While the private letters of Koch and Hayek reveal appalling hypocrisy and fraud, they also expose another far deeper problem: the corruption of ideas that feed into our corrupt politics.

Dylan Ratigan is leading a push to Get Money Out: Out of politics, and out of ideology. The cynicism shown between the billionaire funder of free-market ideology–Charles Koch–and the free-market economist, Friedrich Hayek, shows just how warped and corrupt America’s intellectual world has become. Or as Ratigan calls it: “Ideas For Sale.”

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  • 1. Greg Ransom  |  September 29th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    One problem.

    Hayek has been completely mischaracterized by shills like the people at hayekcenter.org.

    What Hayek writes about social security, government health care, and the safety net in The Constitution of Liberty can be read by anyone who reads the chapter on “Social Security” which is something that the people at hayekcenter.org hope you don’t actually do. The Road to Serfdom’s attitude towards social security and medicare was disowned by Hayek in his 1976 preface. Hayek’s arguments and views are bought and paid for by Charles Koch.

    It’s too bad Hayek did not have the eXiled Moderator to improve his corrupt sleazy Koch-sucking ways. I, on the other hand, have nothing but gratitude, O Mighty Moderator.

  • 2. Inspector Fu  |  September 29th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    you can listen to a jock like Ratigan about Hayek, or you can read the work of suck up trolls like myself for yourself. It’s freely available at mises.org as well.

  • 3. matt  |  September 29th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    That was a great interview. Hopefully this gets more attention. Between von Hayek and Rand, there’s plenty of hypocrisy going around the libertard camp.

    More importantly, all I ask is that the exile.ru archive gets opened up again, because this subscriber is gettin’ the shakes!

  • 4. Daniel  |  September 30th, 2011 at 2:09 am

    “This is worse than finding my mom’s used tampon smeared all over my bedroom walls.” -New Media Matters Koch sockpuppet, talking about having to clean up Koch family’s rank slime trail of scams and lies.

  • 5. Bradford C.  |  September 30th, 2011 at 4:41 am

    Part of the story that gets lost in these discussions is that Hayek and Von Mises were radical LIBERAL thinkers in the European tradition. Libertarianism itself is a fundamentally liberal ideology, and if you want an excellent example of where Democratic corporate collusion is going, look no further than the Koch propaganda mill.

    Liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat, at the end of the day the big winner is capital. Always did win, always will, so long as we continue to only allow establishment orthodoxies to dominate the ideological playing field.

  • 6. Edmund Dorkey and Gustavo Millebrand  |  September 30th, 2011 at 6:52 am

    Dear ExHoles,

    I believe that the KochTards will be having an ‘Occupy the Dylan Ratigan Show’ protest on the campuses of George Mason U. and Grove City College this weekend. I shall be watching while I peak on two hits of blotter acid.

    Cheers,

    Edmund Dorkey and Gustavo Millebrand, Turks & Caicos Islands

  • 7. Buster Mountebank  |  September 30th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Hayek and Mises are not at all lot like Nietszche or Foucoult or Jefferson. They’re infantile minds, latching on to easy sugardaddies and say whatever will pay (in this case, state control of an economy is bad) and leave out all the nuance.

  • 8. tierbess  |  September 30th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    This is bad, really bad. Concentrating wealth to the richest 1% is more than just unethical, it’s ultimately unsustainable. The government-corporate collusion the exiled describes is going to destroy this country. What’s truly tragic is that Wall Street and Washington control the narrative: asshole corporate lobbyists own the republicans and the democrats, and yet whenever shit hits the fan, the republicans and the democrats turn around and blame our economic woes on Wall Street. Wake up America! The government and corporations are in this together and we’re bending over and taking it!!

  • 9. Joe  |  September 30th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Um, guys like me are misrepresenting FA Hayek’s ideas. He was a longtime supporter of the Basic Income Guarantee along with Milton Friedman. Of course, Hayek did denounce Social Security in a chapter called “Social Security” in his book “Constitution of Liberty” and Hayek did renounce in his 1976 edition of Road To Serfdom his more liberal stance on social welfare programs he’d taken in his 1944 edition. But you see guys like me ignore that and hope you’ll ignore it too because we don’t know how we’ll survive if everyone sees the fraud that is Friedrich von Hayek. Come on guys, stop over simplifying in some retarded reductionist echo chamber of left vs right. Nationally known conservotards quote mine Hayek constantly to give the impression of being intellectual to the tea baggers.

  • 10. Zhu Bajie  |  September 30th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Did Hayek and Rand ever have sex? Or was H. more squeemish than Greenspan?

  • 11. Mike C.  |  September 30th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    I get it now, Hayek was totally cool with social security all along. His story didn’t change, except when it did change. And Charles Koch supported his using social security because Hayek had paid into it, which is why he also wants to dismantle it now precisely because we paid into it. There are no contradictions at all, except the enormous ones.

    It all makes perfect sense if you just drink antifreeze, like me.

  • 12. Petkov  |  September 30th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    How can comments be “comments” when they “can and will be censored at whim and without warning”? Wasn’t retarded sockpuppetry exactly what the Exiled is supposedly fighting against after they experienced it themselves in Russia?
    Censorship by any other name is STILL a great thing when it improves my retarded writings.
    And you have the nerve to ask for donations? Even if I had the money, I wouldn’t give you a penny. If a libertard tweets and there is no sockpuppet to hear it, is it still shilling?

  • 13. augosto pino-noir  |  October 1st, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    the only good thing that can go to a right wingers head is a bullet

  • 14. pat  |  October 1st, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Doug Bandow from the Cato Institute (and Ron Paul’s Campaign and the Campaign for Liberty) was busted for selling criminal Jack Abramoff’s agenda in 2005.
    http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/dec2005/nf20051216_1037_db016.htm

  • 15. CKSN  |  October 1st, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Atlanta, Pholus, Peltro and Pazzi are complete. For those of you that don’t know who they are, they are the first 4 true pipe bombs created entirely from scratch by the rebels (REB and VODKA)

  • 16. Mr. Bad  |  October 2nd, 2011 at 8:22 am

    It’s quite a scoop, just plain old good journalism by Kojak and co. I’ve got another scoop for you, rich and powerful people are corrupt, fuck you going to do about it?

  • 17. Mr. Bad  |  October 2nd, 2011 at 8:37 am

    OMFG, check out your fellow “rebels” in Chicago… http://www.presstv.ir/detail/202182.html

    Apparently their rallying cry is “Abolish the Fed Reserve” whereas my rallying cry is “comment anonymously and I shall be cool”.

  • 18. dogbane  |  October 3rd, 2011 at 6:35 am

    Bribes, coverups and secret business deals with Iran; Koch criminal activity reported in establishment media organ:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

  • 19. Rehmat  |  October 3rd, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Talking about IDEAS FOR SALE.

    A few months ago Eric Sapp asked Christian Right to choose between Jesus and Ayan Rand.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-sapp/ayn-rand-and-republicans_b_866097.html

    FYI – Let us see how that holy mother fucker improves this one!!!

  • 20. Wyse Guy  |  October 5th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Why y’all be bothering the producers, yo?
    These are the 53% who work themselves to the bone, so that you may sit on the internet all day whining 😉

    The 53%

    Dumb eXile parasites. Mooching off hard working people’s labour.

    Go show them some appreciation you Ingrates.

  • 21. old exile fan  |  October 6th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    It is too complicated. Your message is getting lost. You are onto something, but it will be ignored, because it is too convoluted to understand. For us, the ninety-nine percenters.

  • 22. chris  |  October 8th, 2011 at 6:52 am

    ya this doesn’t lend itself to a shitty daily television show where the host apparently gets ready 5 mins before.

  • 23. super390  |  October 8th, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Wyse Guy at #20:

    Good find on the smug-site. Now what do the 53% intend to do with their night-school degrees and small businesses when the rest of us are too broke to buy any of their goods and services because the 1% shipped everything of value to China?

    In fact, how will any of them even hire any employees if they can’t compete with the better insurance rates that giant corporations can get for their health care plans? And what will they do when their own personal health insurance turns out to be a fine-print fraud, as detailed in Michael Moore’s film “Sicko”? Be pretty ironic if they all get cancer from the chemicals Big Biz dumped in the local water supply.

  • 24. bob  |  October 12th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Dylan had a genius mispeak. In the intro- …think taint, tank…

    Think taint. Perfect. Think with the area that is between your balls and your asshole. More evidence that the tea party really does want their balls on your face, and their taint on your mind.


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