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Dispatch / May 11, 2012

Crossposted from MaxBlumenthal.com

Tel Aviv University was built on the ruins of the Palestinian village of Sheikh Muwannis. The university’s faculty lounge is the village mukhtar’s former home. At the corner of Arlosoroff and Ibn Gvirol streets, where the Century Tower skyscraper stands, a Palestinian village named Sommeil used to exist.

When activists from the Israeli group Zochrot set out into the heart of Tel Aviv’s “Independence Day” festivities to educate revelers about these facts, they were accused of engaging in criminal activities.

As soon as the activists attempted to exit an office building to place small placards on Ibn Gvirol Street memorializing Palestinian villages destroyed during the Nakba, riot police surrounded them with metal gates, blocking them inside. The police informed them that they would be arrested if they attempted to interact with the crowds celebrating Israel’s birth. “We will not allow you to enter the celebrations with your pictures or your fliers,” a cop told Zochrot’s Eitan Bronstein. “We will not allow this form of protest. It might disturb the peace so we won’t allow it.” Another police officer told Bronstein his placards represented “inciting material.”

Though the police repression can hardly be excused, there is some reason to believe the Zochrot activists could have been subjected to harsh violence if they had been allowed to proceed with their action. While caged behind the metal gates, passersby surrounded the activists and held forth. “You’re lucky the police is here. You should thank them,” said a bald, beefy man who had to be led away.

Another hulking character who identified himself as a member of Unit 51 from the Israeli army’s Golani Brigade paratrooper corps barked at the activists, “The only thing you are is a bunch of traitors. Every day people here are fighting… This is unbelievable. You are traitors and if we had the chance we would shoot you one by one. One by one we would shoot you…”

The demonstration concluded with police violently arresting three participants including one man for the crime of reading aloud the names of destroyed Palestinian villages.

Lia Tarachansky of the Real News Network filmed the melee. Her footage is below:

 

 

The repression of Zochrot’s educational action was the street level manifestation of the campaign the Israeli government has waged to mute discussion of the Nakba and punish those who violate the code of silence. Last year, the government passed a law that allows the denial of state funding to NGO’s that participate in Nakba commemorations. In 2009, it banned the use of the term “Nakba” in school textbooks. Limor Livnat, a right-wing Knesset member who co-sponsored the so-called Nakba Law and banned textbooks using the word during her term as Israel’s Education Minister, declared that merely allowing students to learn about the mass expulsion of Palestinians during 1947 and 1948 would encourage them to work against the Jewish state.

The images of brawny riot cops — literal thought police — roughing up the small band of Zochrot members for publicly reading “inciting” facts recalled a passage from a widely publicized book about the importance of promoting democracy around the globe. “If a person cannot walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm,” the book read, “then that person is living in a fear society, not a free society.”

The book is called “The Case For Democracy.” One of its authors, Natan Sharansky, was a former Soviet dissident who currently heads the Jewish Agency, a key arm of Israel’s settlement enterprise. The other author is Ron Dermer, an advisor to Benjamin Netanyahu known as “Bibi’s brain.” Together, the two called for overthrowing repressive regimes around the world, inspiring former US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice to quote their so-called “Town Square Test,” while they actively guided Israel’s descent into authoritarianism.

Prom date?

How could Sharansky and Dermer fail to see the irony in their actions? As the scenes from Zochrot’s demonstration illustrated, reflection is never an option in a fear society.

Want to know more? Check out Max Blumenthal’s previous postsProgressive Democratic hero Elizabeth Warren enlists to serve AIPAC’s pro-war agenda . . . Mitt’s Foreign Policy Team Run By Ultra-Neocon Loons & Failures Itching For Nuclear War With Iran . . . Washington Post Scrubs Quote Smearing Iran War Critics, But Ex-Camp Guard Jeffrey Goldberg Runs With It Anyway

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  • 1. mijj  |  May 11th, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    > “When activists from the Israeli group Zochrot set out into the heart of Tel Aviv’s “Independence Day” festivities to educate revelers about these facts, they were accused of engaging in criminal activities.”

    sounds like the accusers are indulging in a little Holocaust Denial.

  • 2. Strelnikov  |  May 12th, 2012 at 12:35 am

    “How could Sharansky and Dermer fail to see the irony in their actions?”

    It’s more common than you think; the US foundational documents prattle on about the equality of all men and their need for freedom, and yet the US government allowed African slavery and placing Indians in reservations with the children in schools that would beat the Indian out of them.

    Denying the past in a racialist colonial state is the greatest necessity for that state to survive, especially one that is a parliamentary democracy. Admit the original sin and you have to admit that the victims deserve some sort of restitution or enfranchisement (or allowance to form their own country within oppressor’s state) and the entire project is done for. So the Nakba denial stands, and will stand, as long as Israel/Palestine looks as it does now.

  • 3. Ozinator  |  May 12th, 2012 at 5:50 am

    It’s not like they are a country of its citizens and celebrating any notion of all men being created equal. That lady said so herself, “fuck them in the ass”. The celebrators are angry with the Jewish protesters for being traitors….not for educating them on how their country was founded. Homes are still being demolished and Muslim citizens are still not afforded equal rights. It’s a Jewish state and they are suffering no cognitive dissonance regarding that reality. Israeli supporters around the world might be, but not Israelis.

  • 4. Ozinator  |  May 12th, 2012 at 6:05 am

    sorry! She said they could go fuck THEMSELVES is the ass. I hope I didn’t offend anyone

  • 5. A-Lex  |  May 12th, 2012 at 7:19 am

    I honestly don’t understand the Israeli Left. Being a nation’s sore conscience is certainly a noble cause, but the Israeli-Arab deadlock is genuinely about survival. Every major Islamist organization in the Middle East considers the destruction of Israel its utmost goal, second only to a global caliphate. Every time there is a terrorist attack against Israel, the US or a NATO ally, there are crowds of people dancing in the streets all over the ME.

    Do you really want your society to get all soft and reflexive and peacenik while faced with millions of people who are NOT shy of hating you just for what you are? What do you think they are going to do to you if they ever get their precious hamlets back??

  • 6. Jesse  |  May 12th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    It used to be that bigots were universally looked down on as ignorant, uneducated, unreasonable, illogical, stupid, unable to think rationally. This followed from the premise that we are all essentially the same. But after the Holocaust, some philosophers and social scientists drew contrary conclusions. They said, look here: this systematic slaughter of innocents was done cooly and rationally, with all the calm efficiency of a modern factory. It wasn’t the inflamed mob, but the machinery of a modern state, one with the highest literacy and a rich cultural history. This means that calm logic and a liberal education are no cure for bigotry. Instead, what we need is a brutal fight for survival, a group solidarity that allows no universal ethic. From here on out it’s us against them and we needn’t wait for them to fire the first shot or even start to gather their forces. We must preempt even the possiblity of them combining against us.

  • 7. DocAmazing  |  May 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Arizona and Israel–desert places filled with raving well-armed transplants who pass laws making it illegal to discuss the indigenous population and their experience. Give Arizona this, though: more meth labs.

  • 8. Yogurt Economy  |  May 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    @2 — hey, you’re missing something though. The US’s success with Indians shows that you can create your own Eden once the previous people have been stomped into the ground. It can work. Just keep at it, and don’t give in.

  • 9. Eurotrash  |  May 12th, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    A few years ago I attended an event discussing the middle east. A couple of nice Palestinian college kids gave a presentation about the sort of life they’ve had in East Jerusalem and, I think, Haifa. Unpleasant, routinely nasty stuff of the sort you can readily imagine.

    The floor was opened to questions towards the end and, feeling particularly clever, I asked one of those kids something like “so what solution do you propose?”

    She looked stricken and said very little, essentially “I don’t know”. I felt bad. More importantly, that’s when I fully grasped how fucked these people are. It’s hopeless.

  • 10. DrunktankDan  |  May 12th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    How the fuck do these people still get away with this shit? How do any of these oligarchs still get away with their bullshit? I’m having an existential crisis here. It doesn’t fucking make sense! Fuck all of them!

    I just need to sit down for a minute. I need to breathe. This bullshit is goddamn fuckfaced insane. I wish i had something interesting to offer to the discussion, but after a while the type of scum that the eXile reports on just blurs into one big MegaFuckFace, some sort of giant Asian Carp perhaps, raping and pillaging. Please explain it AEC! How do they still get away with it? Why haven’t we burned all of their houses down?

    Or I may have to move to Montana and become a dental floss tycoon/ permaculture weirdo.

    HAVE HOPE, S.H.A.M.E. MIGHT SHOW THE WAY.

  • 11. DrunktankDan  |  May 12th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Seriously though. . .what do we do? What is the plan of action? Ames might have to start transitioning from journalist to organizer

  • 12. Zhu Bajie  |  May 12th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    I believe Scharansky has become well-known as a righty politician in Israel.

  • 13. Zhu Bajie  |  May 12th, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    Another bit of hypocrisy is that Palestinians do much of the “nigger” work in Israel and grow much of the food that Israelis eat day to day.

  • 14. Dimitri Ratz  |  May 12th, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    When a city name becomes a crime it reflects on the coverdace of the majority.

  • 15. Hick  |  May 13th, 2012 at 1:16 am

    This is full-on Civil Rights shit.

    I mean, for “Palestinians” substitute “nigras” and for “Israelis” substitute “White Citizens’ Council” or well, pick some organization George Liquor would be in.

    Non-Blacks who went into the South and fought the good fight sometimes died. It was that bad. This new situation brings us Rachael Corrie and I assume, others.

    The fear these top-ranking Israelis have of “The Palestinians” is the fear of the overclass. People who really work for a living tend to be – with the occasional asshole – really good people. Actually the only “asshole” Palestinian I ever met was a manager type, not a worker.

  • 16. radii  |  May 13th, 2012 at 2:21 am

    America grows some balls, then takes a collar, a leash, a muzzle, and tames that vicious beast that is zionist israel and we put our boot on their neck (once we pry that parasite from our neck)and keep them controlled and behaving civilly … currently their lobby and traitorous Fifth Column rules here and they gloat about it, but it is slowly changing after Mearsheimer and Walt, Mondoweiss and so many others … zionism is a poison and a failed experiment (since it descended into fascism, racism, apartheid, ethnic-cleansing, etc.) … israel was founded by mafias and terrorists who were folded into the legitimate government there once established but the criminality and thug tactics never went away … what is amazing is that after so many decades of abuse, humiliation and injustice the Palestinians are willing to live in peace, side-by-side, if the cruelty and vicious control would just stop

  • 17. Vendetta  |  May 13th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Any day now, someone’s gonna catch these people tossing ‘inciting’ books into a bonfire.

  • 18. DrunktankDan  |  May 13th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Zhu. . .
    I am a white guy that does ‘nigger’ work here in the US. Me and my multicultured coworkers don’t appreciate that kind of language.
    Don’t be an asshole.
    Just sayin’

    DtD

  • 19. DrunktankDan  |  May 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Oops. Just reread your shit. Sorry.
    DtD

  • 20. The Gubbler  |  May 13th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Norman Finkelstein tells a joke about Israel

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXAVCpXfdQA

  • 21. Derek  |  May 13th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    “How could Sharansky and Dermer fail to see the irony in their actions?”

    The irony is that you believe there is an irony at all, and they see that perfectly well. Authoritarians and servants of power will engage in blatant self-serving hypocrisy. What’s ironic about that?

    It’s only tragironic if you come at the situation with the point of view that these people are aiming not to be hypocrites. Their entire aim is to maintain supreme levels of hypocrisy, because for whatever reason, it works. Importantly, not just these Zionist gas bags, but most politicians and ideologues.

  • 22. Urda  |  May 13th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    What Israel should have been and what it actually became,2 very different nations.It will be never known as a light among nations,instead just a tired multi-ethnic state vying to be a cultural autocratic monolith.

    Jewish people need a home,a country to call their own,this is a dump.

  • 23. A-Lex  |  May 14th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    @ radii
    >>”after so many decades of abuse, humiliation and injustice the Palestinians are willing to live in peace, side-by-side…”

    I would say this line of yours is hilarious, but thinking back of all the school-bus bombings, disco shootings, blade-scraper pedestrian-moving and all the other numerous Palestinian contributions to peace – your bullshit is not just hilarious, it’s sickeningly hypocritical.

  • 24. 69 Anytime 88 On a Date  |  May 14th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Lordie! The Nancy Girl looks more like a meth-addicted drag queen in these photos than her late sociopathic hubby ever did!

  • 25. radii  |  May 14th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    @A-Lex
    it is the Palestinian side that unilaterally ended violence and has engaged in more and more non-violent actions to greater success (not the hunger strikers recently) … whereas israel used banned white phosphorus on children and continues to use human shields and such day-after-day … any people, anywhere, during any time would resist the fascist, racist, horrid occupation and oppression the zionists practice gleefully upon the Palestinians … israel is the pariah it is for good reason

  • 26. radii  |  May 14th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    correction:

    “note” the hunger strikers recently

  • 27. super390  |  May 14th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    A-lex:

    Would the American Indians have had the right in 1620 to wage ruthless, genocidal war to stop the very first English colonies before they became a beachhead for the total conquest and dispossession of the natives?

    Because your hero Jabotinsky way back when his Zionist migration began said that the goal was to do to the Arabs what the Americans had done to the Indians. So your guys basically told the Palestinians that they were going to commit the Nakhba and reduce the Palestinians to drunken remnants dying on reservations unless the Palestinians went to war and stuck with it forever. The Zionists had no more long-term intention to tolerate the natives than the Pilgrims did.

    I imagine your guys would have used smallpox-infected blankets except that Jews and Arabs are so genetically identical that they have the same immunities.

  • 28. hruu  |  May 15th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    So super390 genocide is A-ok under certain circumstances? What a great progressive you are!

  • 29. yeah  |  May 15th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    The problem is – too many Jews. Too many Arabs.

    This is the shit you get.

  • 30. Davrus  |  May 15th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    #28
    Yeah, those indjins and palees should do the right thing and be slaughtered and dispossessed by whitee.

    Isn’t it obvious that the morality of shooting someone who is openly engaged in the process of stealing your land, your water, your everything, and deliberately destroying you, your family, and your people, is categorically different from shooting someone because you want to steal their land, steal their water, destroy them, destroy their family, and destroy their people.

  • 31. John  |  May 15th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Funnily enough, the Jewish Chronicle for a few months hosted a blog run by someone from the BNP. Whe it was found, the cleared it, and denied it on Twitter. And just a few weeks later, they admitted that it had been on their site.

  • 32. John  |  May 15th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    hruu, what Israel is doing is ethnig-cleansing, but I guess it’s OK because most Palestinians are Muslims/the Bible says so.

  • 33. Henry  |  May 16th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    The only people who have their heads further up their asses than Americans are Israelis.

  • 34. hruu  |  May 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    yeah Davrus, keep trying to justify whacking a school bus full of jewish kids, or detonating a suicide vest in a crowded market. I’m sure that’ll work wonders for you in public debate. You guys and your selective humanitarian sanctimonious drivel never fails to make me laugh. Behold The moral agents ladies and gentlemen

  • 35. Ozinator  |  May 16th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    @34

    chastising someone for being selective in their morality after pointing out predictable, desperate and relatively insignificant responses to crimes against humanity is funny shit.

  • 36. Davrus  |  May 16th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    @34

    The Palestinians have been living under occupation since 1967, (this is ignoring the initial land grab). That’s 45 years of oppression. 45 years of land grabs. 45 years for the world to say, “well they can just go fuck themselves up the ass” I don’t care. The simple fact of the matter is that the only reason why most Israelis and the Global community in general actually gives a shit about the Palestinians is to condemn them for whacking a school bus, or detonating a suicide vest in a crowded market.

    If the moral thing to do is to quietly cry out to an oppressor and world community which quite simply just doesn’t give a shit, as you are systematically destroyed, then quite simply morality is a bullshit construct which has been set up to aid the strong in their oppression of the weak.

    The purpose of morality is to live in a society where we are all safe from us fucking each other over, to expect people to live by our morality, while not in actual practical terms extend the protection of our morality over them, is sanctimonious, hypocritical bullshit.

  • 37. hruu  |  May 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    do you see me on a soap box? Nope, I am morally bankrupt, but at least I have the decency to admit unlike these phony moralists and their laughable sense of justice. Though if you want to see some genuine outrage ask one of the parents of an Israeli child killed by a suicide bomber if they think their child’s death was, as you say, insignificant.

  • 38. Davrus  |  May 16th, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    @37
    “do you see me on a soap box?”
    Yes

    “Nope, I am morally bankrupt, but at least I have the decency to admit unlike these phony moralists and their laughable sense of justice.”

    Yet you constantly talk in moral terms.

    “Though if you want to see some genuine outrage ask one of the parents of an Israeli child killed by a suicide bomber if they think their child’s death was, as you say, insignificant.”

    We could say the same about the germans who lost children in the bombing of their cities. Was it fundamentally immoral for the allies to take part in that war?

  • 39. My Dick  |  May 17th, 2012 at 3:05 am

    Man my commenting skills have really gone downhill. I wonder if my mom has been putting something in my Kellog’s Bran Flakes.

  • 40. Eurotrash  |  May 17th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    Israeli exceptionalism somehow manages to be even more obnoxious and appalling than the Yank one.

    You’re not special. You’re not exceptional. A busload of dead Jewish kids is no worse than a busload of any dead kids. You are positioning yourselves for an almighty arsefucking down the line.

  • 41. A-Lex  |  May 18th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    @ radii
    >>”it is the Palestinian side that unilaterally ended violence”

    Amazingly, thousands of Israeli civilians must have missed that glorious moment somehow. Maybe they were distracted by the Itamar killing just in March 2011? Or maybe they were misled by the fact that Palestinians never stopped their attacks even during intense negotiation periods such as the Yitzhak Rabin time (See Beit Lid, Dizengoff Center).

    And as for the peace-loving people of Palestine…

    “A March 2008 report by Palestinian Center for Policy & Survey Research noted that the level of support for armed attack against Israeli civilians inside Israel INCREASED significantly with 67% supporting and 31% opposed, compared to support by 40% in 2005 and 55% in 2006. A February 2008 suicide bombing that killed one Israeli woman in Dimona was supported by 77% and opposed by 19%. An overwhelming majority of 84 percent supported the March 2008 Mercaz HaRav massacre, in which a Palestinian gunman killed eight students and wounded eleven in a Jerusalem school. Support for the attack was 91 percent in the Gaza Strip compared to 79 percent in the West Bank.”

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_terrorism

  • 42. A-Lex  |  May 18th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    P.S. @ super390, Davrus

    That tired point of yours – “We are an oppressed people, so it’s OK for us to bomb school buses” – doesn’t fly, either.
    History knows a few liberation movements that weren’t as low as going after enemy civilians as their main target. The IRA, for one, targeted London’s big banks and offices, at nighttime, with zero civilian casualties (See excellent War Nerd piece on that: http://exiledonline.com/wn-38-ira-vs-al-qaeda-i-was-wrong/).

    Which brings us to the bottom line: the Irish want independence, not violence. Whereas the Palestinians don’t really want independence – they just get a bang out of killing Jews, unarmed women and children most preferred.

    And, quite logically, while the Irish will eventually get their independence, the Pals will just get ever more gore. Serves them right.

  • 43. chabinga  |  May 18th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    @42

    The Ireland/Palestine analogy would be stronger if millions of civilian Englishmen had invaded Ireland, destroyed Irish cities, built exclusively English communities, organized a government that discriminates against Irish, and then carried on a systematic land theft program backed up an army as well as armed and trigger happy civilians.

    The A.E.C. RESPONDS:

    Read your Irish history, bubba. You just described exactly what happened in Ireland after Cromwell’s Army invaded and began centuries of periodic English exterminations of the Irish.

    Know your genocides before you comment here!

    Other than that, you’re right, @42 has open brain herpes sores that makes it hard to read his comments without shedding a tear for the poor bastard. Yea, so saith the A.E.C.

  • 44. Jesse  |  May 21st, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    the woman in the pic is ugly because of her hate. Damn. She’s really ugly.

  • 45. hruu  |  May 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    “Was it fundamentally immoral for the allies to take part in that war?”

    no, but its still fundamentally wrong to kill civies. Hell ask robert Macnamara. Considering that the united states left has apologized profusely for the work of allied airmen over cities like dresden not to mention for raids in the other theater like the tokyo firebombing attacks and Hiroshima, yeah quite clearly even if your cause is just theres a point where we an acknowledge that we’ve gone to far.

    Though personally i don’t really care, but it does send my bullshit alarm off when i see people using past atrocities to justify a whole slew of new atrocities, which is problematic to say the least for pragmatic reasons (it invites the same disproportional response in kind) and moral reasons (your now the same evil with a different flavor). In short, people claiming to be concerned with human rights and justice cannot support this sort activity and not be considered hypocrites.

    plus the whole analogy to the European colonization of the Americas is faulty considering jews have been in the area in question much, much longer than Muslims have, if squatters rights is what were going off.

  • 46. A-Lex  |  May 24th, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Dear A.E.C. (whatever the fuck that means),
    Brain herpes? Mois? Well yes I suppose he who doesn’t know what the AEC means, and he who tries answering that question in ironic French, does indeed show signs of brain shingles.
    Just calling a spade a spade here.

  • 47. Davrus  |  May 24th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    #45
    “no, but its still fundamentally wrong to kill civies. Hell ask robert Macnamara. Considering that the united states left has apologized profusely for the work of allied airmen over cities like dresden not to mention for raids in the other theater like the tokyo firebombing attacks and Hiroshima, yeah quite clearly even if your cause is just theres a point where we an acknowledge that we’ve gone to far.”

    We now know in hindsight that it wasn’t militarily neccessary, did they then? Sure this was probably the case in dresden, and Hiroshima, but probably wasn’t in many other instances. This wasn’t a case of a superpower smashing some pissant country, this is the case two equally matched combatantse. If they get it wrong they might lose.

    “Though personally i don’t really care, but it does send my bullshit alarm off when i see people using past atrocities to justify a whole slew of new atrocities, which is problematic to say the least for pragmatic reasons (it invites the same disproportional response in kind) and moral reasons (your now the same evil with a different flavor). In short, people claiming to be concerned with human rights and justice cannot support this sort activity and not be considered hypocrites.”

    I don’t remember saying that I support Palestinian suicide bombings or the like. I’m unwilling to condemn them, that’s different. You can argue that they are bad for pragmatic reasons, and I may very well agree, but the thing is you don’t know that. Sure you can say that invites reprisals, given that Israelis were had been carrying out there campaign of ethnic cleansing years before the terrorist attacks started that seems rather tright, and sure it can poison public opinion against them, and so on and so forth. But then again the second option of only using peaceful protest could lead to all their cries being ignored, and their dying a slow ignominious death. Neither you, nor I will have to face the consequences of that decision. As to the morality, again it seems to hypocritical to me for the world community to condemn them while it fails to protect them from an aggressor which seeks there destruction.

    “plus the whole analogy to the European colonization of the Americas is faulty considering jews have been in the area in question much, much longer than Muslims have, if squatters rights is what were going off.”

    My God, I cannot believe I didn’t see this before. Ethnicly cleansing people is completely justified if 2000 years ago, your ancestors were kicked out by the Romans. In fact now that I think about the Palestinians are really a fabricated people which the Arabs invented to fuck with Jews.

  • 48. Ozinator  |  May 24th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    at 45

    Yeah, ARAB Jews have been around AS long but not longer because they are the same people as the ones who converted to Christianity and Islam. The Palestinian Christians and Muslims aren’t the ones who came from Europe and Boston to claim absurd land rights so they certainly have more claim to Abraham’s blood than a bunch of Russian terrorists of Khazar descent (many of whom are atheists- losing the the lame religious claim). Funny that though, eh? Ashkenazi Jews have more power and privilege than any other Jew-including Arab Jews. Clever invention though!

  • 49. hannibal  |  May 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    @48
    Considering that Israel is mostly non-white and that it is home to the majority of the world’s non-white Jews, your point is non-valid.

    Especially since there is absolutely no scientific evidence supporting that Khazar theory which is mostly cited by antisemites. And I know that someone is going to whine about me accusing people of antisemitism, but the fact of the matter is that that theory is a largely discredited theory and would have faded into obscurity if it weren’t for the anti-Jew Christians and Muslims looking for some way to reconcile the Jewish origins of their religion and their hatred of Jews.

  • 50. Ozinator  |  May 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    @49
    The point is very much valid…whatever the demographics of Jews and other peoples in that area, the fact is that Ashkenazi Jews dominate in power and privilege. Not sure why you would try that one out but it is interesting that you next contradict yourself when you speak of discredited theories. You can’t have it both ways. When did Jews become white if they once were not? Talk about discredited theories! It’s not a secret to Israelis that there is a racial hierarchy in Israel.

    Also, a sinceretThanks for not calling me an antisemite…I do agree that many idiots stick to exploited things they don’t understand to justify the hatred they haven’t the language to explore, but it doesn’t mean that these things belong to them; truth is truth and doesn’t disappear because David Duke uses it for his own reasons.

    Peace


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