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Ames talks about the Texas governor’s threats to declare “sovereignty” as reported today on Drudge. This segment was aired on Los Angeles’ KPFK radio today, April 14, 2008, on the show “Four O’Clock Tuesdays With Gustavo Arellano.”

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  • 1. Chema Pino Suarez  |  April 14th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Gustavo Arellano and Mark Ames can best be summed up as a bifecta of win.

  • 2. Homer Erotic  |  April 14th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Bye, Texas! Don’t let the door hitchya where the Good Lord done splitchya!

  • 3. coldequation  |  April 14th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Well, red state economies are only in the shitter because of liberal activist judges telling them they can’t own slaves. They’ll come back nicely once they can run things their own way.

  • 4. Kim  |  April 14th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    It’s “don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.”

  • 5. Jim  |  April 14th, 2009 at 9:45 pm


    If Texas manages it, I’m sure their citizens will in tears over that remark. If they don’t, you’re opinion of their “rightwing blowhards” will just push many into serious depression.

    Right. Grow up a bit and stop dismissing people because their opinions are different. Except in my case–even I realize you should dismiss my opinions, not just because I’m different, but because I’m a fucking retard.

  • 6. cyber_rigger  |  April 14th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    G W Bush was born in Connecticut not Texas.

    thinkprogress . org/2006/12/18/bush-library-2/

  • 7. Mr. Wiggles  |  April 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    weak – texas’ economy is among the best in the union; it had far less mortgage fraud than california and florida.

  • 8. Church of Here and Now  |  April 15th, 2009 at 12:59 am

    You forgot Madison. We did lose that war, no? Getting your seat of government burned down qualiifes…

    Harsh on LBJ, who if not for Vietnam would have been Rushmore-worthy, whereas Dumbo,if not for Iraq, woulda been a one-termer.

  • 9. jim t  |  April 15th, 2009 at 4:13 am

    Fuck’em, let them go. In fact, send all the inbred hillbilly repubs there first. If you were to give the US an enema, Texas is where the nozzle would go.

  • 10. bbb  |  April 15th, 2009 at 5:31 am

    of course. the whole image of Bush, a nice, rugged, redneck Texan retard was just a spectacular PR show.
    In reality he is a spoiled rich boy from CT and Yale, from a stinking rich, plutocratic family.
    but hey, that cannot be sold to all those people in the South and elsewhere who had been devastated by the economic policies of the very same people – therefore the brand “George W. from the ranch” had to be invented.

  • 11. buzz  |  April 15th, 2009 at 6:03 am

    And don’t forget California. They produced Nixon and Regan. Perhaps that big earthquake will come along and dump the ‘land of fruits and nuts’ into the sea…

    BTW, ‘W’ is still GAY, doesn’t matter where he’s from….

  • 12. john smith  |  April 15th, 2009 at 6:21 am

    Texas has the best economy out of all the states I’m the union. The state of Texas did see a rise in the demand for welfare dollars but only when the ghetto trash from New Orleans was let in. Texas has a huge amount of natural reasources and many of vegetables come from Texas as well. You know you are right Texas should set free…set free from dumbass states like California

  • 13. john smith  |  April 15th, 2009 at 6:23 am

    I appologize for the errors in the last post the blackberry autofills sometimes

  • 14. john smith  |  April 15th, 2009 at 7:55 am

    Oh wel the same with the other post

  • 15. Joe Blow  |  April 15th, 2009 at 9:02 am

    The war of 1812 was a draw.

  • 16. Orthodoxy  |  April 15th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    The U.S. would not benefit any more from losing the South than Russia did from losing Central Asia and the Caucasus. The South is fine- it’s southerners we need to be rid of.

  • 17. Bat-Mite  |  April 15th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Geniuses, being born IN Connecticut doesn’t mean he is FROM Connecticut.

  • 18. Mike D.  |  April 15th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    The texas economy is probably the strongest (not richest, but strongest) in the 50 states. And Ames is wrong about LBJ. JFK introduced us to Vietnam, not LBJ. How could you be so ignorant of such a well known historical fact.

    Oh well, the left has never been particularly good with the facts, or maybe they just don’t matter to them.

    I’m from Texas, and while I do not propose that we leave the Union, the states do need to take back rights. The Bill of Rights pretty much forbids such things as federal law enforcement and federal taxation. But then, most people don’t realize that.

  • 19. I Don't Think So  |  April 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    What you aren’t saying is that Southern states are split almost 50/50 in their party affiliations. T

    The south is historically a democratic domain, it was not until after the sixties that these allegiances switched. This switch came about as a KKK heavy Democratic party was slowly filled in with a younger more liberal generation during the later years of the Vietnam war. The riots at the Democratic national convention in Chicago showed the dichotomy that occured in the Democratic party toward the end of the sixties.

    LBJ, as you mentioned, did come from Texas, but he was also a Democrat.

    I don’t know what this obsession with a two party system is all about. Both parties have horrendous records in human rights violations and are also steeped in a history of racism.

    Which is what brings me to my last comment. The reason that the southern states have such high welfare rates is because they have inherited the crimes of the horrible things that both the Democratic and Republican parties have done. The south at this moment has African American demographics that range between 60%-80% (+or-5%) Many of these people have been purposely held in underprivileged situations through system racism and social engineering.
    These highly underprivileged people of African slave descent make up about 90% of welfare recipients in the southern states.

    I don’t know what this obsession with the two party system is. There are so many great parties other than the two that have great ideas about how to run this country. Recently I voted for the Green Party, not because of their stance on the environment but because I listened to a few speeches from some of their leaders. I was surprised to see that they have a very comprehensive approach to national governance that has very very many great ideas.

  • 20. Everitt Mickey  |  April 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    I’m a Texan.

    You might try reading the document you’ve got your panties all in a wad about. You can read right? You’re misrepresenting it.

    I fully agree with you on one thing. Texas would be better off seceding. I dunno if there’s a legal way to do it or not but if there is I’m all in favor.

  • 21. 16 Shells from a 30.06  |  April 15th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Sell Texas to Minnesota.

  • 22. Solomon  |  April 15th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Fuck independent Texas.

    Our government should give Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California back to their legitimate owner, the United States of Mexico. Mexico already de facto controls these areas after their invasion of the last few decades, and thus have another claim to it through right of conquest.

    A much stronger claim than the flimsy financial deals Washington bases its own on, signed only by coercion and more than a hundred years ago.

  • 23. mechagodzilla  |  April 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    You’re overusing Jiffy Pop. They’re paying you for this, aren’t they? If they are that’s cool, just, you know, write a script to purge all of the places where it appears before you release a print edition.

  • 24. Emiliano Zapata III  |  April 15th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Exile running on KPFK. Goddamn. And here I am spending all my time trying to call into the Washington Journal every morning so that they can hear what “the people” really think. What would it take for me to graduate out of the retard-zone, and get heard somewhere? Anyway, great radio piece, you fuckin’ rock.

  • 25. matthew carlin  |  April 16th, 2009 at 1:39 am

    Weak sauce.

    I lived in Texas for fifteen years. I hate it, with good reason, but I hate it from understanding.

    Ames hates it from ignorance. As others have pointed out, Texas has a very strong economy. In many ways it’s better than California (my current residence, and an all around nice place). Almost everything in this article was a stereotype and almost nothing was right.

    Hate Texas because it’s where some of the most powerful and dangerous people on the Right are from. Hate it because it’s hot and flat and unpleasant. Hate it because it’s arrogant. Hate it because the youth are partying drunkards and self righteous to boot.

    Just don’t hate it because you think it’s a backwater. It’s urban, and powerful. It’s dangerous.

    Oh, and it has kick-ass barbecue. That alone is worth keeping it in the Union.

  • 26. Jerry W  |  April 16th, 2009 at 7:17 am

    This site is proof of inbreeding.

  • 27. 1of6billionSheeple  |  April 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    California is a failing collapsing state. It has one of the highest taxes in the union. All the bussinesses in Cali are leaving and setting up in other states because of high tax burden. There won’t be any bussiness left behind (no jobs, less economic growth) Despite spending ~40% of its budget on education Cali is still a high school dropout factory. Cali has some good colleges but it has to import educated people from other states. Californians dont’ even see themselves as Californians at all. There’s nothing that unifies the people at all the state legislators can’t even decide on one single thing. California use to be the poster child of the U.S. but everybody hates it now. Make fun of Texas all you want but it will emerge stronger. Texas along with other midwestern states is recieving Californians in significant numbers because they decided “fuwk this state”

  • 28. badnewswade  |  April 16th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    You da man!

  • 29. Calvin Baggett  |  April 16th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    My family has deep roots in Texas. My great, great, great, great uncle died at the Alamo and his wife, Suzanna Dickenson, is considered the first lady of Texas.
    We were a republic before we were a state. We joined the U.S. by choice and I deeply resent the way we are treated by the rest of the so-called Union.
    The Californians are retarded jerks and the snooty Yankee trash from the East Coast can frankly go straight to Hell.
    We have missiles, nuclear weapons and oil. What else do we need? Trash from California and New York? Keep your trash culture and retarded people.
    Any clowns who Mess With Texas do so at their peril.

  • 30. Neil  |  April 17th, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Texas won’t secede. Its population is too contaminated with non-Texans.

    Louisiana, on the other hand, could and should secede. They would most definitely be better off independent.

  • 31. Hooray  |  April 17th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    hooray! goodbye, texas!!!! enjoy.

  • 32. A-Lex  |  April 18th, 2009 at 4:18 am

    Hey, are these soundfiles downloadable? I’d like to keep a few of Ames’s KPFK pieces for posterity. But there doesn’t seem to be such an option, or is there?

    As for Texas, I can tell you as a non-American that for people around the world, the Lone Star State is an inseparable part of America’s image. The U.S. without Texas would look like a cowboy without his leather pants. Or Levi’s jeans, whatever.
    Bottomless, that is.

  • 33. JR  |  April 20th, 2009 at 1:07 am

    Speaking of Connecticut.

    Where did all the upstanding citizens slash managers of hedge funds who killed the nation come from?

    This whole line of thought is just dumb. But what do you expect. Ames is a fucking idiot.

    Dude, stick to psycho-killings. At least you are a semi-expert at being an idiot on that topic. History and analysis of future American planning are not your thing. If I were to sum up my reasons in a word it would be that you are an idiot.

  • 34. Tommy Jefferson  |  April 21st, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Texas escaped fascist dictatorship once to become an independent nation when we revolted against Mexico.

    We can do it again. We have our own industry, sea ports, and military.

    You guys can keep the new 4 TRILLION dollars in debt. We will manufacture stuff and sell it to you in exchange for Fort Knox gold.

  • 35. Gory  |  April 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 am

    I am a 100 per cent Californian and I am tired that good Cali being the fifth largest economy in the world has to give so much $$$ to those Texan Hicks, please Texas push your good governor to seccede RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

  • 36. concerned  |  May 1st, 2009 at 6:42 am

    quite frankly, i was born here, in Texas, in San Antonio, you know the Alamo. Anyways, my concern first and foremost is the national presence that is in Texas where does that go? Ft. Hood is the largest Military installation in the free world. M1 Tank platoons train by shooting from one end of Ft. Hood to the other. That’s neither here nor there, would it remain here and be an “overseas” pcs for soldiers? there is a large military presence in san antonio as well. some of the companies here are national, Both my wife and I work for companies that have headquarters in other states, we also have a network marketing business that is also headquartered in another state. my 17 year old told me today that he isn’t the one thats old enough to vote. What exactly am I voting for we have our own power grid, access to the ocean for trading, snow caps in west texas, twin cities to the north orange groves in south texas and me and my brown brothers stay away from the east side of texas. military history in the middle and WHAT THE FUCK IS JERRY JONES GONNA DO? how can the cowboys be part of the national football league if we aren’t part of a nation? do we stay for the perks. the grass is never greener on the other side, however when you ruin one learn how to take care of the one you have now. im not sure if that makes sense but i have to get ready to go talk to people from all over the nation about who they talk too and why they are spending so much.

    PS the Navy Seals made those Somali pirates cool….They’re dead.

  • 37. Happy D  |  July 29th, 2009 at 2:54 am

    You can ignore reality but not the consequences of ignoring reality. You might want to learn what this is actually about. Not the CNN version.

  • 38. Carpenter  |  August 2nd, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Look at all these comments from liberal ‘tards simmering with hatred. Makes me laugh. The suggestion of Texas seceding is just one of many increasing signs that people are sick of the socialist era. Even the Left’s own voters are for the most part sick of it and keep voting leftist only for the easy money, or in the case of the immigrants, for the chance to bring in more of their tribe. The Left is ideologically bankrupt. That is why many, many state legislators join the effort to reinvigorate the constitutional right to keep Federal commmands out. Texas and other states will be far better off when their legal rights have been restored.

  • 39. ZIONISOM KILLS  |  January 5th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Let’s get a couple things clear, First off, TEXAS could kick Mexicos ASS, if the Fed GOV, would just get out of the way, we wave more 30-30’s, AR-15’s, AK 47’s, .45’s , 38’s and 9mm and shotguns than any other state, or country, this is self eveident to any TEXAN, second, the only reason we take any money from the fed is because they control so much of Texas land and water rights, if not for that we would be 5 times stronger than any other state as well as any other country, the Federal Gov, limits our mining, farmining, ranching and manufacturing. We do not need the UNION, you need us, we have more power plants, and oil, oil the fed will not allow us to drill for.


  • 40. Pal  |  March 6th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    As is usual people who don’t know Texans or anything about Texas dismiss it.

    Don’t worry Mr. Ames Texans are laughing all the way to the bank with one of the lowest unemployment rates in the US, lowest welfare checks in the US, lowest mortgage failure rates, largest reserves of natural gas and oil outside of Alaska, a ‘right to work’ state so no ripoff unions, a public school system improving & ranked 25th of 50 meaning average but way above California, Washington & Illinois for instance. Let’s not forget the hundreds of national corporations which have moved headquarters to Texas over the last 40 years to escape the NE.

    Yep Pardner, Texans are really hurt by your rant. Yuk Yuk.

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