The Real John Tyner: Anti-Labor Extremist, Anti-Gay Marriage, Pals With Neo-Confederates and John Bircher Conspiracy Theorists, And Deceives America

Class War For Idiots / April 30, 2011

By Mark Ames and Yasha Levine

Update I below

On Thursday, we published an article documenting how last November’s strange anti-TSA hysteria was just the latest and most visible chapter in a decade-long corporate-sponsored rightwing war against public sector labor. Their goal: to prevent TSA workers from unionizing.

Our article was a follow-up to an earlier article in The Nation, which triggered a vicious smear campaign to tarnish our integrity and discredit our reporting. This isn’t the first time we’ve experienced this when exposing rightwing corporate-backed Astroturf campaigns. The exact same sort of smear-campaign was waged against our February 2009 investigative article exposing the Tea Party as a fake-grassroots movement sponsored by the Koch Brothers and FreedomWorks.

In our latest article on the TSA for Alternet, we not only provided overwhelming evidence that the anti-TSA campaign was just the latest chapter in a decade-long Republican war to prevent TSA employees from unionizing, but we also reported a shocking confession by John Tyner—the supposedly innocent bystander who fought back against the TSA Gestapo and became the unofficial spokesman of the anti-TSA movement—in which he admitted to deceiving the public and the media. Even more shocking: Tyner destroyed evidence that would have exposed his deception, because, as he admitted on his blog, he feared that if he didn’t scrub evidence that he’d planned the whole thing, the public wouldn’t believe his “don’t touch my junk” story with the TSA. Now, it’s impossible for any serious person to believe or trust anything Tyner says.

Even though Tyner has already admitted deceiving the public about having planned his “junk” stunt and then destroying evidence so that people would believe he hadn’t planned it, nevertheless, the same sleazy collection of hired PR flaks, libertarians, and others invested in the fake anti-TSA campaign (including some who claim to be progressives) are resorting to smear tactics all over again. At this point, it’s impossible for them to claim they innocently fell for Tyner’s TSA story, or the scores of other faked TSA incidents across the country.

So let us get a few things straight for the record:

* The Nation did not apologize for our November article on the TSA; it apologized personally to Tyner. The Nation did not call into question our reporting or our facts, nor did The Nation retract our article or take it down. That’s because our reporting was solid and well-sourced. Rather, the Nation apologized to Tyner—before Tyner confessed that he’d deceived us, The Nation and the public.

* Tyner claimed he had not planned in any way to make a scene or provoke the TSA. He even deceived Lawrence O’Donnell point-blank on live television:

O‘DONNELL: So wait—so you—were you looking for trouble, John Tyner, when you went through that?
TYNER: No.

But after Tyner was caught hiding and destroying evidence that he’d deceived the public, he confessed:

about two weeks prior to my encounter with the TSA at the San Diego airport, I wrote a blog entry about the TSA. Don’t bother looking for it because I deleted it prior to posting my recollection of the events and the accompanying video. I don’t have any copies of it, either.
…When I posted my account and video of my encounter at San Diego, I also deleted the post in question. I thought that no one would believe that my encounter was not a set up if they knew…
To those of you who feel duped, I apologize.

* Tyner concealed his extremist rightwing ideology by posing as a progressive-libertarian. Since then, Tyner has made common cause with John Birchers and Neo-Confederate conspiracy theorist groups which have been denounced by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Specifically:

Tyner has an agreement with the far-right libertarian site LewRockwell.com to reprint Tyner’s blog entries. The SPLC has singled out the Alabama-based LewRockwell.com site on several occasions in its Hate Watch and its Intelligence reports, criticizing the site for regularly espousing Neo-Confederate propaganda “on the rightwing fringe”
In his new home on the rightwing fringe, Tyner also positively cites the works of ultra-rightwing John Birch Society blogger William Grigg, whose books have argued that Mexicans are trying to conquer and annex the American Southwest, and it’s all part of a UN-Ford Foundation plot to subjugate America to a one-world socialist government. Tyner hat-tips Grigg in one blog, comparing his epithets for government workers (“thugs”) to his hero Griggs’ epithet (“tax-feeders”).

* Tyner had portrayed himself as pro-gay marriage and drug legalization one of the main points seized upon by his supporters in the progressive/libertarian community. Here, for example, is Glenn Greenwald attacking our first article by way of playing Tyner’s apparently-honorable pro-gay rights:

As for his standing accused by The Nation of suspicion on the grounds of his avowed libertarianism, consider what he wrote several weeks before the TSA incident. In a post responding to this question — “When’s the last time you were seriously inconvenienced or injured by something that big government did?” — Tyner wrote:
Gay rights [infringements], TSA body scanners, highway checkpoints, the PATRIOT Act, warrantless wiretaps, extra-judicial assassinations, indefinite detentions, inflation, etc. Don’t tell me that (some of) these don’t affect me. When one person’s rights are trampled, everybody’s are, and that’s just at the federal level.
What a right-wing monster! If only Democratic Party leaders — who support most of the serious rights infringements he condemns — were this monstrous.

Glenn may want to take another look, because this year, Tyner has come out of the states’-rights closet to declare gay marriage a states-rights issue. He’s no longer posing as a Glenn Greenwald-friendly progressive-libertarian; instead, meet the old 50’s-era states’ rights George Wallace-r: “The point was not to advocate for legalization of gay marriage or marijuana use. Rather, it was to point out that democracy is not the cure-all that people believe it to be. Democracy will always be a tool by which a majority will oppress a minority and ultimately the individual.” Yes, like Strom Thurmond and John C Calhoun, Tyner is also against democracy.

* Finally, and most importantly, John Tyner also espouses radical anti-labor, anti-unionizing views that progressives would find repugnant. Here is a sample:

* “I had suggested that the proper remedy was for the government to fire workers who wanted to unionize, not restrict their civil liberties”

* Tyner says that government laws which outlaw firing unionized workers are “a clear violation of the employers’ property rights.”

* “Firing workers does not violate the workers’ freedom of association. The first amendment protects the right to freely associate. Nothing grants a person the *right* to be hired/employed by another.”

* “Actually, I want to get rid of the TSA and return responsibility for security to the airlines themselves. Then there would be no 4th amendment argument at all. The airlines would be bound by what the public wants, and a balance between security, convenience, etc. would be found pretty quickly.” [Ignoring that this is exactly what failed on 9/11, and what brought about the TSA]

We have done our job as journalists, which is to apply a skeptical and curious eye at public spectacles. No other journalists dared to even question Tyner’s motives, let alone the strangely well-coordinated anti-TSA campaign. On the contrary, most journalists’ first instinct was to attack a fellow journalist and avoid looking into Tyner’s story. No wonder the media is so sheepish, and so consistently wrong on so many stories.

It’s time that journalists stop defending sleazy corporate-backed PR campaigns (and more importantly, to stop participating in them without disclosing conflicts-of-interests), and stop the knee-jerk attacks on investigative journalists who write explosive stories exposing the way the public is being constantly manipulated by powerful corporate interests. If you’re incapable of doing your job right, or incapable of restraining yourself from selling your soul (and your blog) to the Koch brothers or Grover Norquist, then shut the fuck up, go find another line of work, and let us do our job. It’s tough enough as it is.

Update I: Reader points out that Tyner also deceived the public when he repeatedly claimed that he had no way of knowing that San Diego International Airport had installed the new backscatter machines. Tyner repeatedly told his readers and reporters that he was caught by surprise because he’d “researched” to make sure San Diego hadn’t yet installed its “porn-scan” machines.

However, local TV news outlets in San Diego reported the installation of the new scanners at the San Diego airport over a month before Tyner’s “Don’t Touch My Junk” act: the local NBC affiliate, TV6, and channel 10 News. Major print media also reported it: The San Diego Union-Tribune and San Diego Entertainer. National media like PC World and elsewhere also reported the porn-scan installations at San Diego International.

However, Tyner claimed on the day he posted his video that he’d “researched” and done everything to avoid the new porn-scan machines:

“Not wanting to go through them, I had done my research on the TSA’s website prior to traveling to see if SAN had them. From all indications, they did not. When I arrived at the security line, I found that the TSA’s website was out of date. SAN does in fact utilize backscatter x-ray machines.”

So in other words, this anti-government, anti-TSA libertarian activist and software engineer was so concerned that the only website he researched (and trusted) out of all the media available on the entire internet was… the TSA’s website. Had he taken two minutes to search on google–which Tyner is certainly capable of doing, considering how expertly he scrubbed his deleted blog post–he would have easily discovered that the airport he was going to had the new “porn-scan” machines. Which, we can assume, was the whole point.

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1. ao | April 30th, 2011 at 3:13 am
shame that greenwald became part of this whole debacle. dude has his heart in the right place, you know? and he’s smart, and well spoken, and he riles up those shitheads at reason to no end. hope y’all can make up sometime soon
2. Adam | April 30th, 2011 at 3:33 am
I’m donating NOW!
Count me as a lifer in the eXiled army!
3. Paul | April 30th, 2011 at 3:42 am
A lot of what Greenwald has to say is decent but it seems at the minute instead of apologising in any way he has now decided you’re extremist Obama supporters?
I mean that’s not an easy mistake to make, that’s wilful ignorance / lying.
4. spark | April 30th, 2011 at 4:13 am
He’s got that creepy no-sideburns haircut. It’s like a neon sign screaming “uptight libertarian nerd”.
5. Duarte Guerreiro | April 30th, 2011 at 4:18 am
“When Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus sought to establish the liberty of the common people and expose the crimes of the oligarchs, the guilty nobles took fright and opposed their proceedings by every means at their disposal” – Cicero
Nothing ever changes, hey? All one can do is go down kicking. By the way, that reminds me, keep that Victorville gun cache handy, guys. You know how Tiberius and Gaius ended, don’t you?
Anyway, great to see this latest spout of bloodthirsty articles.
6. Mad Respect | April 30th, 2011 at 4:49 am
Yasha and Mark,
thanks and thanks again for exiledonline.com and the massive inspiration flowing from it. This site is the best place for independent journalism I’ve known in my life. Keep up the struggle against the international empire of sleeze !!!
Greetings from Londonistan, UK
7. Teskulon | April 30th, 2011 at 5:44 am
Hi I watch Glenn Beck all the time and whenever I see anything that upsets my one-world-government view o of the world, I blame it on the Puppetmaster: George Soros. Boo!
If the Kochs fall, Soros shall be the Master of the Universe. So I must protect Master Koch at all costs.
8. Homer Erotic | April 30th, 2011 at 5:58 am
Well, if these staged incidents involve hot young guys stripping down to their skivvies at TSA checkpoints and posting videos of it on YouTube (see the link in my screen-name), I really can’t bring myself to have that much of a problem with it. 😀
9. exploitedtimes | April 30th, 2011 at 6:25 am
Nice takedown, I look forward to the tap-out though Tyner is probably burrowing deep by now. I hope Glenn and Katrina have apologized – they should – but it just served to pump the whole thing up even more anyway.
Hard work being right.
10. Dr. Luny | April 30th, 2011 at 7:02 am
I always figured the TSA was just another patronage institution for whoever designs thoes extremely expensive machines. That’d be an institution to keep an eye on for revolving door hijinks.
Anyway, this whole thing just goes to show you that precisely when the media is saying something you sympathise with is when you have to be the most suspicious.
11. jimmyj | April 30th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Not to be critical, but this seems to be the money shot that was missing from the Exile’s last few articles that became part of the Exile/Greenwald Battle Royale. As an avid reader of this site and a far less avid but still somewhat regular reader of Greenwald’s, I thought you guys raised some interesting questions about the folks and events surrounding the original National Opt Out Day. The coincidences were many and creepy, but not exactly airtight in a court of law type of way. Big deal, though. I’m of the opinion that even creepy coincidences should be publicly discussed. What really took me aback was the immediate vehemence which came projectile-like from Greenwald and which was soon picked up by just about every lefty blogger I can think of. And Greenwald’s attacks came off as almost unhinged in their tone and lack of substance. I gotta say it was looking kind of grim for you guys. Thanks for not letting go of the matter and coming back with the sweet smoking gun!
12. jimmyj | April 30th, 2011 at 7:19 am
I also gotta say that although your first article or two were maybe a little thin for the average citizen to make an airtight decision based upon it, the Exile’s proven prescience in matters Koch related is second to none and in hindsight that original article stands out as seriously impressive. Even more so because it is alone and completely from out of nowhere. Vivan los exilios!
13. 16 Shells from a 30.06 | April 30th, 2011 at 7:29 am
(So called) mainstream US journalists aren’t defending sleazy corporate-backed PR campaigns… they’re the sleazy corporate backed PR campaigners. They might as well be Soviet apparatchiks.
14. plutocracy ain't a disney character | April 30th, 2011 at 8:05 am
“I always figured the TSA was just another patronage institution for whoever designs thoes extremely expensive machine”
i’m too lazy to google it but I’m certain GE has its tentacles in the scanners. actually i’m not just lazy i’m a libertard. see, this is how we libertards do our research. we don’t research it. we just assume based on our cult ideology that if something must be a certain way, it is that way. also, yeah, we get paid to be sockpuppets. pretty sad, i know, but the good thing is we libertards support assisted suicide, so when i get enough money together, i’m calling dr kevorkian to put me out of my libertarian hell.
nanu-nanu!
15. Mike | April 30th, 2011 at 9:02 am
I guess this is a loosing battle, but the term libertarian has refereed to the left for 150 years, while the Libertarian Party has been trying to hijack it for the right only since the 1970s.
Right wing self-described “Libertarians” should be called proprietarians, because their philosophy puts property rights above the rights of vast majority of humanity–the working class.
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/HTML/The_Anarchist_FAQ_Editorial_Collective__150_years_of_Libertarian.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
16. Peter | April 30th, 2011 at 9:19 am
“We just assume based on our cult ideology that if something must be a certain way.”
TSA doesn’t seem to really be a shell game for those employed within, but it has created ample opportunity for financial gain by former Republican Homeland Security Secretaries.
http://chertoffgroup.com/
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-131155998.html
In closing, Pluto, go fuck yourself.
17. Leonard Q. Rucksack | April 30th, 2011 at 9:30 am
I broke the TSA anti-unionizing story a month before the exiled. Sorry guys!
http://www.ubersite.com/m/127214
18. Destro | April 30th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Fuck to death all libertarians.
19. Bud | April 30th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Hey, Gavin McInnes here. Just wanted to pipe in again and say that I really hope you don’t make a stink about all my white supremacy stuff, because that would make my publisher kind of nervous, and I’m counting on that money. By the way, you notice how I posted nude photos of 18 year old victims of sexual assault on my website? Pretty cool of me, making a living by posting nude photos of poor 18-year-old girls to protect a rich middle-aged pervert.
20. King Mob | April 30th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Greetings, I am Radley Balko, the Great Reasontard Troll Mob King!
Before I give the signal to the vast horde of Reasontards just waiting to swarm your and beseiges your comment section, I would just like to say that I am in total awe of you guys, who actually do real journalism and get to the truth years before anyone else. I would also like to say that the SPLC is totally right about Lew Rockwell being a racist, neo-confederate (that means pro-slavery) outfit. But ‘tards like me will try to say SPLC is full of shit. That it’s well known by anyone (anyone who’s a racist rightwinger, that is) that takes 5 minutes to look in to them that they’re a scare tactic / smear organization that exists to enrich themselves. See, that’s a classic projection. I think that because every one on my side is a corrupt huckster shilling for billionaires, the guys on the other side are also corrupt hucksters.
I’m also going to pretend like I agree with you (that’s rule #152 b in my sock puppet manual), and say that I don’t like LRC and it has its fair share of racists and religious nutballs, but also publishes stuff from progressive libertarians like me and my fellow Reasontards.
See then I’m gonna claim the Bob Barr/Ron Paul defense on gay rights vs states rights, and defend my buddy Tyner (who I go out drinking with sometimes) by saying that he just because he thinks gay rights is a “state issue” doesn’t prove he hates gays now, it just means he’s the goofball wonky libertarian it was obvious he was already. Ha-ha! He’s a goofball who is against Democracy b/c it is oppression. Hahahaha!
I got one more thing I have to add, since my boss is breathing over my shoulder: I have to say that I’m really bothered by The eXiled war on corrupt libertarians like me, I realize that I’m a laughing stock among anyone who is not a corrupt asshole like me. Knowing Greenwald very well, I have to say that they hurt him by this recent article. He is really worried that he’s next in line to receive one of your senseless hit piece on him, as he “seems” increasingly libertarian these days.
Talk soon, guys.
Reasontard Troll Army. Get ready to ATTACK!
21. FunTimeSteve | April 30th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
What’s the psyche behind the straw men warriors over on AlterNet?
22. Thebes | April 30th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Yes, we are the fascist police state pukes in “liberal-tarian” clothing.
To me MOLESTATION of workers is A-OK, so long as they are not carrying a union card.
Us Neo-Libertarians are not just as dangerous as the Neo-Cons! We are the Neo-Cons! Ha ha ha! Vote Ron Paul!
23. King Mob | April 30th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Radley Balko the Reasontard Troll Mob King here again!
I’m here to say that I didn’t come here from Reason.—Actually yes I did. In fact coming from Reason to eXiled is the bestest thing I do all day, everyday.—Because I’m secretly one of your biggest fans, I fantasize about being you and living your rockstar lives and not sitting here in the ‘tard dungeons of Reasonville. Yes, I’m a bitter Reasontard and all alone, getting no action. So I’m gonna go into fantasy mode again and say that we know each other, you guys and I. In fact I’m so cool that one of your girlfriends once called me from Russia. True story! She called me. On the phone! I got to hear your girlfriend’s voice on the phone! I will never forget that moment, not as long as I live!
Talk soon, buddies!
24. parse | April 30th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
The post that you link to regarding gay marriage concludes Let me suggest a third alternative: the state should cease involvement in all marriage and stop granting benefits on the basis thereof. People should be free to marry whomever they choose without having to ask permission from anyone or pay for the privilege, and the state, to the extent that it exists, should simply honor the contracts. Excatly, so if I and my 5 year old cousin decide to sign a marriage contract that signs over all her rights to me for the next 100 years, the gov should do nothing but honor that contract, which she signed out of her own free will. Cuz us ‘tards think that babies are perfectly capable of being rational, no different than adults, only if the gov stopped regulating their baby behavior.
Can you explain how you think it’s fair for you to characterize that as declaring gay marriage a states-rights issue issue? One of us has apparently misunderstood Tyner’s position as expressed in the linked post. Is it me or you?
25. sintaxi | April 30th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Libertard Sock Puppet Technique Spoiler Alert! Warning: this post gives away secret inner workings of the suck-ups-to-billionaires-sock-puppet-market, as outlined in the seminal work on the subject esteemed by Koch Von Hayek, “The Road to Sockpupdom.
When a team of sock puppet shills realize that the “grassroots” spokesman of their PR campaign has been exposed as a fraud and liar, they are instantly guided by certain natural laws of the sock-up universe and begin to flood comment sections, pretending that their compromised frontman is not important at all. No sir. Not only is their frontman not important, but that they alway knew he was a fraud. Not only did they know, but they never cared and still don’t care. And because they don’t care, the evil PR campaign that he is fronting isn’t really important. What is important and what matters is that Democrats are bad. And because Democrats are bad, Republicans are not bad.
Yep, the natural laws of the universe dictate all of this. It’s all been laid out by Koch Von Hayek. And if you do not see the obvious rational logic that ties all of these things together, clearly you do not have the proper breeding of John Bircher.
Let’s observe how an average minimum wage earning grunt at his normal habitat at New Media Strategies responds to The eXiled outing of John Tyner:
“John Tyner is a lying media whore nutjob. Is that supposed to be news? I’ve got a hot tip for y’all–you see, there’s this new guy named “Joe the Plumber”, why don’t you write a timely article on him too? These days, even Democrat-dominated legislatures (e.g. Massachusetts) are taking potshots at unions. Why focus on some random dipshit that the public barely remembers, much less cares about?”
The natural laws of the sock puppet market are a beautiful thing to behold. Amen.
26. proletariat | April 30th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
see, this is why i like the exiled. why am i wearing a libertard ass mask and allow billionaires to ride me?
yet, despite it all, i like it when i gets beat up in a back alley and force it, no one else seems to want to put them on.
pitty.
Is ‘tard beat poetry? maybe.
27. The Dude | April 30th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Uh-Oh, the secrets out!
Now everybody knows that libertarians don’t have a problem with abuse from authority figures, just as long as it ain’t no gubmint trying to take away my guns and gold, and possibly America’s christian God.
Hey Libertards, why don’t you complain about privatized prisons and the abuses that go on over there, instead of finger-banging Ayn Rand’s corpse while licking Charles and David Kochs’ assholes.
You assholes.
28. King Mob | April 30th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Balko the Reasontard Troll King here again. I forgot to mention that also, democracy IS oppression for neo-confederate Birchers. QED!
29. proletariat | April 30th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
damn, ames, i was talking about “they live” wherein people who wear “the glasses” can see the ruling class as the monsters they are.
then “rowdy” roddy piper beats his friend up in the alley to make him see the truth.
then they go shoot the rich and destroy their mind control device.
why you got to be hating, ames? i love this site.
30. King Mob | April 30th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
I’m for privatized prisons, actually. I like cops and their police but I pretend to hate it being libertardish.
I like Ayn Rand. The Koch’s are entertaining, I like billionaires even though they’re ruining America. Hey I won’t make false equivalency to Soros because we all know that’s a lie! Of course money in the GOP and the Tea Party astroturf crap is all i think about… so there’s not an actual libertarian agenda.
I eat the Koch change. Keep Obama, though.
31. I1 | April 30th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
1500 Architects and Engineers agree the towers and WTC 7 were brought down by controlled demolition. That’s a huge conspiracy. Wake up.
32. I1 | April 30th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Here, watch me comment
33. pimp of the Balkans | April 30th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
“anti-gay marriage”!?
shit that’s such a big deal.
34. Jie ke | April 30th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
AMES-LEVINE 2012
35. Evilcor | April 30th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Just went to Balko’s blog and submitted the comment below, complaining about this site. Apparently they moderate submissions, so if it gets published they’re dumber than we thought. . . or they won’t publish it, in which case maybe they’re not entirely for free speech after all.
Anyway, enjoy:
by: Kruger Rand
I tried to comment on their site, but they edited my comment to make it look like I admitted being a “. . . flea suckling from the ankle of Master Koch.” Pretty classy way of treating criticism, huh? What they don’t seem to understand is that it doesn’t matter who pays me — or even if I get paid at all. As an American libertarian, I will just naturally grovel and scrape before billionaires who made their money by bribing politicians and lecturing us all on the sin of taking handouts. It shouldn’t matter how many of our organizations are revealed to be fronts for far-right thieving lunatics like Richard Mellon Scaife or the Kochs. . . what matters is that the ubermensch get a green light to go on stealing our birthright until the worthless parasites (losers with jobs) rise up and put us all in the guillotine.
Anyway, those eXiled guys are poopy-pants.
“Don’t tax me, bro!”
-Nick Gillespie
36. Rockstar | May 1st, 2011 at 12:10 am
It`s true that you are the Gods of Journalism, and that I fell for the PR campaign and you didn`t. But I still think TSA are worthless pests.
P.S. if my post is attributed to sockpuppet software again I request that it be a version number better than 2.0 please
37. King Mob | May 1st, 2011 at 12:10 am
Seems you like the piggies a lot more than I do, you’re bitching they can’t have a union.
By the way, Mark Ames is linked to the evil libertarian conspiracy- he did an interview with Anti-War.com! HE’S A FIFTH COLUMNIST
http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/09/04/mark-ames-3/
38. proletariat | May 1st, 2011 at 1:46 am
being as my last comment made it through, i assume whoever is doing the censoring here has never seen “they live”
that’s a damn shame. go watch it now. it’s probably the best film of the past 50 years, and even though it’s about a homeless construction worker murdering the rich en masse with a shotgun, it still made it past the censors, somehow.
chalk it up to the brilliance of making a social commentary as an alien movie and the incredible stupidity of reagan era capitalists.
39. Duarte Guerreiro | May 1st, 2011 at 4:43 am
The Exiled, come for the articles, stay for the comments. I’ve been grinning for 10 minutes. The best part is imagining the libertard sockpuppet despair as realization dawns that their cynical tactic of exploiting Internet free speech won’t fly here. This ain’t Salon.com, bitches.
Worse still, they wasted precious minutes of their Koch-lord employers writing comments that won’t count as redeemable for Koch-benefits, like going to the toilet.
40. RanDomino | May 1st, 2011 at 3:03 pm
When a libertard grovels in the forest and no billionaire can hear it, is the groveling real?
41. DK | May 1st, 2011 at 7:03 pm
LewRockwell.com published a glowing obituary for that Christian Reconstructionist nut Rushdoony. Case closed.
42. MKnight | May 2nd, 2011 at 1:59 am
What commenters are here? I wish you guys would alter the wording of comments submitted to your website to improve their comments. There are some real fucking retards here.
43. Zirb | May 2nd, 2011 at 6:44 pm
You have the wrong William Norman Grigg. He was citing the one who wrote “Liberty in Eclipse,” not “America’s Engineered Decline.” Some basic research into the hyperlink to Grigg that the article has would have shown this to be the case. Yeah, cuz like I’m a libertard troll and am gonna pretend that I have no clue that they were written by the same person, John Bircher William Norman Grigg. Duh! I want to repeat: this is not a disinformation attempt. No, no disinformation here. Move along folks, nothing to see. Move along… Hey, you kid! I told you to move the fuck along!
44. aaaaa | May 2nd, 2011 at 7:13 pm
its so frustrating to watch the words “republic” and “democracy” getting thrown around with such disregard for their definitions and the differences between them. the bircher sign you show claiming that the US is a republic and not a democracy is correct. the US is a republic, not a democracy. n to act like democracy is somehow sacrosanct and/or inherently good is just highlighting ur own ignorance: if u take even an intro poli sci college class, or an intro econ class, u learn about game theory and something called “arrow’s theorem”, which r just the undergrad introductions to all the ways that the democratic voting process ends up screwing everyone involved. seriously, google arrow’s theorem. and while you’re there, look up the differences between democracy and republicanism. since you make it blatantly obvious every day that you’ve never opened an econ or poli sci book in ur life, it would help inform ur future articles.
45. jack kane | May 2nd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
John Tyner is looking at the world through a prism and thereby suffers from distorted vision. Let’s drop ideology and examine the issues in proper context.
Unionization is an absolute necessity in a “capitalist” economy, particularly in a corporate, monopoly driven economy such as the one the West has had in the last century. Adam Smith said this more 230 years ago. Unfortunately, organized labor tends to cooperate with monopoly capital to the detriment of the rest of the populace – Carroll Quigley examines this phenomenon in “Tragedy and Hope”.
It follows that unionism and corporatism should be examined together. This gives you an easy litmus test for sanity and intelligence. Any “libertarian” who condemns unionism WITHOUT damning wealth concentration is a nut or an idiot. A “free market” cannot exist without limits to wealth concentration. Without such limits you eventually arrive at monopolization. Huey Long (the true author of the “New Deal”) talked about this. Long was the main feature of the Senate circus in the early ’30s, look him up.
The TSA workers are just a bunch of scared people trying to secure an income. They are not in charge. The scanners are not their idea (CHERT-off – an accurate name). They, and all other workers, should unionize. In blaming the TSA workers, people are missing the point. The same holds for blaming the “illegals”, by the way.
On the other hand, the scanners are utter shit. They do irradiate you, and they are humiliating. Besides, it is absurd to think that scanners offer any more protection than the metal detectors. The pat-downs I don’t mind, but patting-down children is ridiculous.
Gay marriage is an absurd idea. But then, who cares? It doesn’t matter if gays marry. We’ve got bigger issues at hand. I think the gay marriage “controversy” is a distraction.
Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day, and the same applies to the Birchers. A capitalist one-world conspiracy that worked through the foundations and the NGOs did indeed exist – Quigley discusses that at length in “Tragedy and Hope” and “The Anglo-American Establishment”. In light of the push for “globalization”, it appears as if the one-world plan is proceeding at full speed.
Regarding the general influence of the foundations, look up the Reece Committee report. Rene Wormser has a book about this.
For the influence of the foundations on the euphemistically named “educational” system, try John Taylor Gatto and Charlotte Iserbyt’s works.
For the influence of the foundations on the GMO industry, read Engdahl’s “Seeds of Destruction”.
And so on. These foundations and NGOs are all over the place.
One other interesting author on the subject is Eustace Mullins. He was the fifth protege of Ezra Pound – the other four are Nobel Prize winners in literature. Ironically enough, the Birchers ignored Mullins.
The “liberTARDS” (and they are) want to go back to an America that doesn’t exist. Ron Paul’s anti-Federal Reserve and anti-war stances are commendable, but I am suspicious of his “free market” mumbo-jumbo. He looks reasonably sane here:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul647.html
I think the system is too far gone for the presidential elections to matter, and I’d take to Ralph Nader to Paul. There are (at least) two major problems with Paul. First, “Austrian” economics are bunk. Second, his son is a screaming “objectivist” madman.
In fairness, Paul is preferable to another demopublican war-criminal madman.
But it doesn’t really matter. America’s (and not only America’s) foundations are rotten. It’s all going down. Unfortunate, but that’s how it is. Prepare for the worst.
46. terje | May 3rd, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Man, libertard retardation reaches critical mass ITT.
But let me just get this clear: Are you in favour of putting down libertards out of mercy? Yes or no. I’m asking for exileds official stance here.
47. aaaaa | May 3rd, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Greenwald is just hilariously hypocritical. what was his tyner article if not a smear? also, my name is e.e.cummings, except that as a libertard, i have nothing to say while writing in lower-case libertardian
48. Door A Jar | May 3rd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Look at the gums on that toofy mook.
49. SeamanSailor | July 13th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
The truth belongs to what the plebeians perceive, and unless you have the money to bring your so called truth to them it won’t be heard, nor acted on in anyway. Perhaps what you say is correct, but it means very little when it falls on deaf ears
And, I imagine most people just don’t care or won’t act on anything to begin with until it furthers their own interest. Such as this clown receiving nibbles of his masters cuisine.
The point is Mark – until you land a spot on the 6oclock news you might as well call yourself a radical fool espousing nonsense.
50. Adam Black | August 10th, 2016 at 12:02 am
You originally correctly pointed out Tyner might have been the spear tip of Corporcratic-fascist funded movement to get public workers out of airport security.
This criticism was embedded as part of your main campaign to expose shills and astroturf.
All Good and worthy.
But this further criticism of Tyner which smears him if he planned his response to having his rights strips is authoritarian, statist and and anti-activist.
It implies only the spontaneous cacophonies of a unthinking, unrelflexive uninformed Yahoos are politically valid and none other are pure or authentic enough to be worthy of public support.
Almost NO progressive activist would pass this test!
I can imagine White supremacists in the 1960s saying the same thing of Rosa Parks. In hindsight, learning Rosa Parks wasnt just random Black woman that was tired of being disrespected…..
THIS SAD FOOL’S COMMENT CONTINUES TO DRAW OUT COMPARISONS BETWEEN WHITE MILITARY-INTELLIGENCE CONTRACTOR JOHN TYNER (VIASAT) & ROSA PARKS, AND THE A.E.C. HAS A RULE ABOUT COMMENTERS WHO COMPARE WHITE LIBERTARIAN MILITARY-INTELLIGENCE CONTRACTORS TO ROSA PARKS. FUCK THE FUCK OFF.