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This article first appeared in Alternet.

The right-wing anti-Obama-care movement is OK with killing off tens of thousands of Americans each year.

That’s what this is all about: The right-wingers and their corporate sponsors are protecting a medieval and violent health care system that kills more Americans each year than all the Americans who have died in the war on terror since 2001, including the 3,000 victims of 9/11, and the 5,000-plus U.S. service members who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Every two months, the American health care industry is party to the slaughter of more Americans than al-Qaida managed to kill. Osama bin Laden must look at the Tea Baggers, FreedomWorks, health-industry billionaires like Rick Scott and the rest, and think, “If only I could kill as many Americans as they do! These guys are pros!”

They need to answer for this — they need to explain why they are trying to protect a system that kills 22,000 Americans per year — a figure based on a landmark report by the prestigious Institute of Medicine.

In fact, 22,000 is a conservative figure — one of the authors of that report thinks the real figure in 2006 alone was 27,000 Americans killed from our health care system, perhaps as high as 40,000. But I’ll stick to the conservative casualty number of 22,000, which is horrific enough.

If you believe in making health care available to every American, there’s no reason to be skittish about talking about it on these terms. The right wing sure as hell isn’t: in fact, its whole argument against health care reform is a hypothetical, future-tense dystopia of Americans murdered by their government, a fiction invented by hired marketing whizzes.

It’s winning the “debate” based on a lie that hasn’t even happened, whereas in this present-tense reality we all inhabit now, one American dies every 24 minutes because of this health care system.

It’s time we protect ourselves and those we love, and that means stopping this slaughterhouse and saving Americans.

That’s why health care reform isn’t the place for wonkish debate and complicated rational arguments — this is a battle to protect ourselves from people who are fine with their fellow citizens dying in horrible pain, not a debate-club tournament.

The right-wing thugs crashing Obama-care town hall meetings don’t seem to mind being party to the mass murder of Americans, because they hate our freedoms.

For example, the freedom to elect a president whom they disagree with, or whose skin color they find repulsive. These goons hate Americans so much that they’re willing to get violent — actually, that’s almost redundant, because it’s like saying, “They’re willing to get violent in order to kill 22,000 of us.”

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But that’s how it is: They’re attacking anyone who threatens to pull the plug on a health-care monster that’s responsible for slaughtering some 200,000 Americans this decade.

If you go back to the first successful campaign to destroy first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton’s health care program in 1993, then the total number of Americans killed is well over 300,000 — that’s more than the 292,000 American servicemen who died on the battlefield fighting Fascism in World War II. Let me repeat: Since 1993, more Americans have been killed by our health care system than were killed on the battlefield in World War II.

It’s no coincidence that the same rat who led America into the disastrous war in Iraq — pundit Bill Kristol — is the same one who led the fight against health care reform in 1993 and 2009.

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Kristol has more American blood on his hands than a thousand Benedict Arnolds — he was party to the slaughter of more than 4,000 Americans in Iraq and the death of America’s geopolitical power. And with health care, Kristol has been one of the health care junta’s prime ideologues, resulting in deaths of a few hundred thousand Americans here at home. Not that he’s hiding it. Kristol himself wrote recently, “This is no time to pull punches. Go for the kill.”

Let’s take Kristol at his word — he sees Americans trying get the sort of health care he has, and his response is to “Go for the kill.” And that’s exactly what they’re doing: killing us.

So let’s stop pretending that the health care battle is a “debate,” because it’s not.

It’s a fight, a struggle to the death, to avoid death and suffering. The right wing understood this long ago, and that’s why its winning — again. The right-wingers are fighting for a system that kills Americans for their personal profit. And like colonial overlords, they’re now unleashing hired thugs to attack anyone who threatens their riches.

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It’s the oldest and most serious battle of all: the battle for life and death, between misery and happiness — all of which are scarce resources. When you look at this stripped of the silly civics-class sheen that too many progressives adhere to, then the right wing’s vicious tactics aren’t at all shocking, but rather, obvious.

[Just today, a man was arrested in Maryland for standing outside a community college and holding up two death-threat signs, including one that read, “Death To Obama, Michelle And His Two Stupid Kids.” This comes after a man was arrested lurking inside a school where Obama was scheduled to speak, carrying a loaded unlicensed handgun. And several Democrat members of Congress have received death threats as well.]

Since the dawn of time, man has murdered, terrorized and plundered in order to live longer and healthier. That’s all that’s going on — but in this fight, one side showed up to the battlefield ready for blood, and the other side — the majority of Americans who voted for Obama, or the 76 percent of Americans who support a public option plan — showed up armed with debate points and sneers.

No wonder we’ve all but lost.

And we’ll remain stuck in this retro-Middle Ages nightmare, in which health care CEOs earn billions and golf in luxury until they’re well over 100 years old, while 52 million Americans have no health care coverage at all.

It’s a transfer not only of this nation’s wealth but of American blood and vital organs — transferred from the bodies of tens of millions of Americans and into the richest 1 percent’s longevity, just like the way Grandpa in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre stayed alive by eating the flesh and blood of gullible Americans.

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Grandpa relaxes after eating another American: “And the sweet thing is, Medicare gives me free government health care!”

The stats prove that we are ruled by cannibals: the gap between the lifespan of America’s wealthiest and its poorest has doubled since 1980. Overall the lifespan of the average American has plummeted from its  No. 13 world ranking in 1960 to No. 42 today, lower than Costa Rica’s.

Usually, you only find this sort of plummeting longevity ranking in countries occupied and exploited by brutal colonial powers that could give a damn how many natives die under their watch. The Congo under Belgium’s King Leopold saw lifespans plummet while a handful of royal outsiders looted the country as quickly as they could.

America is the new Congo: we’re subject to a handful of King Leopold billionaire colonialists, like the veiny-headed freak Rick Scott, looting the wealth and murdering tens of thousands, employing embittered natives as thug collaborators to keep the local population from demanding better conditions for ourselves.

Scott is literally a Texas Chainsaw Massacre character — the one-time business partner of former President George W. Bush in the Texas Rangers scam, Scott made millions for himself in the 1990s by creating a health care monster called Columbia/HCA Healthcare Corp., which defrauded American taxpayers out of billions through false Medicare bills.

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It paid the largest corporate fraud fines in history — $1.7 billion — and squeezed even more money by downsizing staff to the point where “babies were attended as infrequently as every three hours. Once, the only nurse caring for seven ill infants was so busy she failed to hear an alarm when a baby stopped breathing. A parent dashed to the baby and stimulated breathing, the state report said.” [New York Times, 5/11/97]

Scott should not be allowed to walk free. By any standard I know of, he is a traitor who profits off the deaths of Americans, and he should be tried for his crimes against this country. All of his hundreds of millions of dollars are blood profits extracted from American corpses.

Rick Scott should be tarred and feathered, shipped off to Guantanamo until he gives up all of his blood money, and then strapped into a space capsule and fired off into deep space to ensure that this monster never harms another American again. That’s in a just world.

But in our Congo-America reality, Scott is a respectable oligarch, all over the airwaves and Washington as the leader of the Conservatives for Patient’s Rights group, back in the health care clinic business, fighting to keep his loot and that of his fellow health care billionaires, at the expense of tens of thousands of American lives.

And guess what? He’s winning. He’s winning because he’s willing to see Americans die in order to enrich himself.

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Two Congolese “Tea Bagger” patriots shown here defending their liberties: “It’s our choice to serve this Belgian overlord’s wife, and no Native has the right to tell us not to!”

The colonized peoples of Africa, India, China and elsewhere had to fight to overthrow the vampires that ruled them and killed them. It’s time we understood that these people hate us, and America for them is merely a slaughterhouse whose profits fund their pat lives.

Until we understand what’s at stake as much as they do, we’ll never have a chance in hell of saving ourselves.

Late Note: Reuters today has an article on Health Care Wetbacks–American health care refugees who increasingly are slipping into Mexico to get reasonable health care treatment. The article focuses on an ex-cop who has insurance, but still can’t afford treatment. Imagine that: Tea Baggers and FreedomWorks scum literally forcing Americans to flee into Mexico just to stay alive.

Mark Ames is the author of Going Postal: Rage, Murder and Rebellion from Reagan’s Workplaces to Clinton’s Columbine.

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  • 1. Tyler Bass  |  August 13th, 2009 at 9:25 am

    The 76 percent figure be damned for just the public option! Take a look at these polls!
    http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html

    Looks like even slim majorities are pushing for the whole kitten kaboodle. Of course, you can call people up at home and they’ll make these claims. But those types are too meek to actually show their face at these health-care town halls and yell back at the histrionic throngs whining about delusional shit like death panels.

  • 2. Jack Reynolds  |  August 13th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Rick Scott is a two-first-names motherfucker who literally made millions of dollars killing innocent Americans, but I would go to jail if I rolled a stop sign and was caught with half a pound of weed. How is that not class warfare?

  • 3. KludgeHopper  |  August 13th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    They fought fascism in WWI?

  • 4. Anonimus Coward  |  August 13th, 2009 at 10:08 am

    KludgeHopper, it’s obvious a typo/
    Next Mark is talking about WWII and number of victums is correct.

  • 5. Gordon Freeman  |  August 13th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Maybe I don’t want to pay for everyone else to have health care… If only there was some kind of system where people could decide themselves if they wanted to pool their resources and pay for the people that get sick or injured. OH WAIT, FUCK, THAT’S INSURANCE :O

  • 6. Jess  |  August 13th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Yeah it’s shocking that health care costs less in a country that doesn’t have mandated coverage rules, hordes of ambulance chasers, and ridiculous tax incentives.

  • 7. JJReevesonshire  |  August 13th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Mark Ames is my hero. That motherfucker has opened my eyes wider than ever to what the fuck is going on in this shit-hole we call “the free world”. I appreciate what you do, man. Your writings are the best.

  • 8. Mish  |  August 13th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Good article, but the first two paragraphs – and that photo – don’t make for a great hook (if you will).

  • 9. kingkong  |  August 13th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    People are always bringing up lifespan on the US health care topic. Medicine has nothing to do with lifespan. Wealth has little to do with lifespan. It’s all lifestyle and demographics. Good lifestyle and diet correlate to wealth, but that’s less about the money than it is co-linearity with low preference behavior.

    The longest living large demographic group of Americans are working class upper mid-west whites, who have extremely low lifetime health care expenses. Mormons also rate highly.

    When people try to compare the US to other countries via lifespan and make a health care point, they are really comparing demographics. The states bordering Canada match Canada in health outcomes.

    Medicine is just way less relevant than everyone pretends it is. The only “health care” problem we have in the US is that people are spending way too much money on health care and costs are too high. Free market reforms would fix that.

    The actual *health* problem we have in the US is diet and agriculture related. As long as the underclass keeps sucking down a liter of government subsidized HFCS cola a day their health will deteriorate. More doctor visits ain’t gonna help. Fish oil supplements for children and teens would probably do more to improve health outcomes in this country than anything else.

  • 10. buzz  |  August 13th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    the US government already pays for 70% of american’s “healthcare”, and you fags want to spend another tillion dollars on allopathic genocide ?

    get a life !!!

  • 11. geo8rge  |  August 13th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    I think it was cool of King Leopold to put a wheel under that sedan chair.

    Ames there was a revolution, the Bush revolution. Millions of BS government jobs, all with government health benefits, were created. Airport screeners, no child left behhind mandates, all sorts of state and local jobs, not to mention all those military jobs. The problem is the expansion of jobs and benefits to the loyal government class came at the expense of productive workers.

    The problem now is how to “claw back” some of those benefits. You keep yapping about the Banksters. It has been years since capitalists had any control. Washington controls the economy, once resources are allocated then capitalists are allowed to compete. The is the American System.

  • 12. Josephus P. Franks  |  August 13th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Thank you Mark Ames, brother from a different mother. This is exactly my point. There is no health care debate, because a debate occurs when *two* intellectual positions are being defended.

  • 13. Allen  |  August 13th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Fucking great article. You’re right. There’s no point in engaging in debate club musings and conciliatory B.S. Universal health care is a right; it is one of the few things it is worth putting public money toward. Anyone who denies that fact is not worth considering as a countryman.

    Anyone who opposes such is an enemy. The campaign to stop such a system from being realized is a traitorous class war being waged by America’s super wealthy against everyone else.

  • 14. myf  |  August 13th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    How fucking inept are democrats that they cannot pass healthcare with a 60 seat majority? It’s time to take the term “left” away from them when it’s obvious they’re just a little further away from the corporatist dick sucking seat of the republicans. We have to push these pussies into doing what they promised us. Fuck the democrat republican machine. I’m so mad i could clean and bandage 100 orphan cuts and scrapes right now.

    WWII wasn’t really about fighting fascism. It was more like fascists fighting each other so their cartel could control markets. but that’s just a niggle

    And another tangential point. You probably all remember that article about height in the new yorker a few years ago. According to their data the gulf between rich and poor started affecting Americans just before 1970. Fuck these vampires, fuck capital. Down with the spectacle and all it shields and buffets.

  • 15. RedBastardGod  |  August 13th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    We can’t kill the fat, red-state, fuck-heads fast enough. I’m opposed to any health-care reform for Americans who live in states that vote predominantly Republican. Let’s do what Ol’ Able Lincoln couldn’t do – kill the CSA once and for all.

  • 16. אברהם  |  August 14th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    @myf

    Democrats strap on the knee pads just as quickly as Republicans when corporate lobbyists enter the room. Check out Golden Rule by Thomas Ferguson. Historically the major differences between the parties were defined by which corporate interests controlled them. The New Deal was possible because Dems were backed by capital-intensive industries. Labor-intensive industries which funded Republicans naturally opposed anything that would help improve working class lives.

    Today the only real industries left are financial and services (e.g. health insurance). Where the corporate interests are aligned, there can be no effectual policy debate. Look at who donates millions of dollars to both parties — the fix is in, has been for more than a decade.

    Democrat spinelessness is a small part of the problem; in fact, their bending over backwards in the name of bipartisanship isn’t much more than an excuse for sucking oligarch cock. Not a bad one, either: they get to keep representing their real constituents and, if people start to complain, they blame it on Republicans.

    @Mark Ames:

    Will we see much here in the near future about the specific health care reform bills currently floating through Congress? They look to me little more than bailouts for insurance companies. The Tea Partiers, Randroids and rednecks raging against Obama are doing so for all of the wrong reasons and none of the dozens of really good ones.

  • 17. Captain Teeb  |  August 14th, 2009 at 2:00 am

    Dude,

    It’s one thing to say that U.S. health care has a problem, and another to say that Obamacare is the solution. You should at least state that you’re making this huge assumption.

    If there’s no cost containment and no rationality of service delivery, then Obamacare will, paradoxically, discredit a federal solution. Perhaps that is the real goal of Obama’s proposal, with this evil guy simply providing the veneer of opposition.

    I once lived in middle-eastern Georgia, mostly populated by poor, smallholding farmers. There was no doctor of any kind in my county or any adjacent county. It was more than 100 miles to Augusta or greater Atlanta to a serious hospital. Is Obama going to train more doctors? Cut out the insurance companies? Stop covering big pharma’s blockbuster drugs?

    I now live in Europe, where we don’t have that stuff and live longer (in spite of drinking like fish and smoking like trains).

    Go figure, Obama. And then come back with a plan that has been shown to work somewhere else.

  • 18. aPeasant  |  August 14th, 2009 at 8:10 am

    @ Captain Teeb

    Textbook rationalization or bullshit for the less pointy headed.

    You can sit around with your buddies debating the best way to get the pool table out of the basement and in to the truck until your head explodes. At some point you just have to do it. It’s not going to happen exactly as anyone theorized. You can’t move it the way they do in Europe, Sweden, Canada because houses and stairs and buddies are a little different there.

    The most important thing is that everyone agrees to get the thing out of the basement.

    Yanks could have great universal health care in a heartbeat, IF they really wanted it.

    But they don’t. They’re too full of hate. They hate commies and darkies and hippies and terrorists. Mostly they hate each other.

    The only chance for universal health care in the U.S. is civil war so everyone is in the military.

  • 19. Tommy Jefferson  |  August 14th, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Everything the government touches turns to crap. Americans want more government healthcare. This is hilarious. These retards are gonna get butt-raped better than ever before.

    Watch them whine 10 years from now about the hundreds of thousands of people dying every year from doctor shortages and rationing.

    You thought the military-industrial complex looted trillions? Wait until you see the pillage and butsecks at gunpoint you’re gonna get from the healthcare corporatist-government alliance.

    It’s gonna be schweet. Healthcare I.T. is where it will be best. We are gonna anal rape you better than Boeing or General Motors ever dreamed possible, even at the height of the Vietnam war.

    Don’t forget. You had a “right” to this. Hahahahaha!

  • 20. John Stuart Mill  |  August 14th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    “Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.”

  • 21. Ricardo Flores Magon  |  August 14th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    “To the reactionists of today we are revolutionists, but to the

    revolutionists of tomorrow our acts will have been those of conservatives”

  • 22. porkers-at-the-trough  |  August 14th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Here’s the video clip of NY uber-Rethuglican Right-WIng media multi-millionarie heir and PNAC war-lust lobby founding co-chair Bill Kristol saying
    (slight paraphrase),
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqObdWSv5lg

    “IF American school children come down with a FATAL but POTENTIALLY TREATABLE disease, but their parents are too poor to afford PREMIUM ‘health insurance,’ THEY SHOULD NOT expect top-notch expensive health care, and should JUST GO AHEAD AND DIE ALREADY.”

    (what Kristol actually says is) –
    “Whenever I hear of a HEARTLESS ASSAULT on American schoolchildren” – (he was talking in support for Rethug President George W. Bush (Jr.) trying to VETO “SCHP” federally subsidized health insurance for low-income students last year) –
    I TEND TO THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.”

    the fact that Emanuel/Goldman-Sachs/obama co. does NOT use this Righty rhetoric to BEAT health care reform OBSTRUCTIONIST over the head ever 5 minutes on national TV, just shows that Obama is, yet again, ON THE SIDE OF BIG FINANCE, and AGAINST MILLIONS of American working-stiff families.

  • 23. porkers-at-the-trough  |  August 14th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Speaking of “Parasites HIJACK host creatures brain, make victim SUICIDALY STUPID” here’s a SHORT list of HOW STUPID Obama has become after being mentally corroded by his Golddamn-Sachs corruption seduction:

    #1. Righties run around WHIPPING UP FEAR in seniors about “DEATH PANELS.”
    HELLO??? WE ALREADY HAVE “death panels” – they’re called YOUR ‘health insurance’ company executives SENDING YOU & your hospital notice that COSTLY TREATMENT prescribed by your doctor WILL NOT BE COVERED – GO AHEAD AND DIE alreacy.
    #2. Obama is now SO STUPID in his sell-out corruption, that he FAILS to point out A SINGLE American family that has been DRIVEN TO BANKRUPTCY by SKYROCKETING insurance premiums!
    #3. Obama is now SO STUPIDLY corrupted, that he REFUSES to point out a single person who has been DRIVEN OUT OF BUSINESS by SKYROCKETING insurance premiums!
    #4. Obama is now SO STUPID in his corruption, that he CAN’T FIND ONE FAMILY in America, forced to watch a loved one DIE, after that patient was DENIED treatment by an Insurance exec!
    #5. Obama is SO STUPIDLY CORRUPTED, that he REFUSES to point out that Righties have A LOT OF DAMN GALL claiming that Democrats want to “take a huge chunk out of Medicare” – Righties & Repubs have BEEN TRYING TO KILL Medicare AND SOCIAL SECURITY for DECADES!
    #5. Finally, but far from last) Righties Whip Up FEAR in Seniors about the EVILS of “SOCIALIZED health care”.
    HELLO? 90% of these scared, insecure, and terrified seniors BITCHING about “Socialized health care” ARE ON Social Security & MEDICARE!!
    Obama IS NOT EVEN TRYING to point the amazing hypocrisy of the Righties, because Obama, like his Goldamn-Sachs handlers, IS AGAINST expanded Medicare, much less Public Option, much less Single Payer.

    Americans are now SO STUPID on this issue.. and their president is SO STUPIDLY CORRUPTED, that you can only conclude that American families DESERVE to CONTINUE TO BE TERRIFIED by their health-system nightmare, since no one in the country seems to be able to put the above simple points together in a competent media campaign that could EXPOSE the Righties & Industry as the HYPOCRITES, LIARS, GHOULS, & PARASITES that they are!

  • 24. Tom Dockery  |  August 14th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    The only people dying unnecessarily in this country are those who drink,smoke,take drugs,and don’t work out six days a week.

    Today-at age 59-I walked almost five miles in an hour on this outdoor track in the blazing sun,being observed by corpulent minorities lying down under a shady tree.

    Of course,they’re going to die prematurely.How come the Vancouver born kid in the White House never stresses this?

  • 25. porkers-at-the-trough  |  August 15th, 2009 at 3:50 am

    sorry for the repeat posting, but a little housekeeping: first, forgot to insert the link for great exiled story, “Parasite HIJACKS host creature’s brain, triggers suicide notions” –
    http://exiledonline.com/intelligent-design-award-the-spiny-headed-worm-parasite-pomphorhynchus-laevis/
    #2. re Tom Dockery (#24 above), Thom Hartmann just did an excellent radio commentary, about how highly OBESITY (and thus obesity related killer diseases) is CORRELATED, NOT with income… but with INCOME INEQUALITY.
    KingKong (#9.) writes “the states bordering Canada match Canada in health care outcomes.” Yes, and I’ll bet that they are largely homogenous (race) states, with, more importantly, low levels of INCOME INEQUALITY, and high levels of voting participation. (Indeed, Hartmann used the example of New Hampshire – a Canada border state – as #1. in longevity, lowest health-care costs, AND lowest income inequality.)
    Author Ellen Hodgson Brown has written THE BIBLE of how the MEGA-BANKERS use PREDATORY FINANCE to INCREASE THEIR WEALTH… AT EXPENSE of everyone else.
    (“Web of Debt” a MUST READ book that makes my “Top 5 most important books for this century” list –
    http://www.webofdebt.com/
    (The War Nerd also makes my list of “top 5 most important books this century,” for explaining how race-war and slow-burn genocide is THE model for human social behavior from our primordial primate roots to present.)
    http://www.amazon.com/War-Nerd-Gary-Brecher/dp/0979663687

    And here’s something that NO ONE will touch.
    Needless to say, Goldman-Sachs, Billy Kristol’s PNAC “Iraq War NOW” lobby (founded 1997 – http://newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm) the Sulzberger family owned New York Times, the MEYER family owned Washington Post, and the Time/WARNER (of Hollywood Warner Bros. “where’s that rascally rabbit?” fame) (among many more powerful US media organizations) ARE ALL unrepentently ZIONIST owned, and pro-Zionist papers.
    No crime in that.
    BUT!! NO ONE, ANYWHERE, points out that the pro-Zionist US media giants ALL LOVE it when AMERICAN TAXPAYERS are FORCED to send BILLIONS of dollars to PROP UP ISRAEL’s economy… BILLIONS of AMERICAN TAXPAYER DOLLARS which SUBSIDIZE ISRAEL’s European-style ___SOCIALIZED___ health care.
    The American Likudniks like BILL KRISTOL, Arthur SULZBERGER, billionaire SHELDON ADELSON, “Swiftboat Liars” funder SAM FOX, and all the other Righty Likudniks FAVOR SOCIALIZED Health Care… FOR ISRAELIS, SUBSIDIZED by AMERICAN taxpayers, but “SOCIALIZED!” health-care is of course TOO GOOD for American peons!!!
    (The radical-right, Rabin-killing LIKUDNIK Party would FALL FROM POWER in Israel in a NY second, if they tried to demolish Israel’s Euro-style free health care.)
    SO, BILL KRISTOL and all you other “American” Likudnik ghouls – WHY DON’T YOU GO CRUSH ISRAEL’s “Socialized”, US TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED health care system, BEFORE you tell us how OUR children should DIE from medical NEGLECT ?!

  • 26. Mary  |  August 15th, 2009 at 8:16 am

    Now Obama was born in Vancouver, Tom Dockery? You mean the Canadian birth certificate that was signed by Dudley Doright? (I am not kidding.)

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/08/third-obama-birth-certificate-appears-in-court/

  • 27. Tom Dockery  |  August 15th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    That birth certificate is obviously a joke,but the Vancouver birth is the only story that fits the timeline of his mother’s beginning of classes at UW on 8/16/61.No one in that Hawaii neighborhood listed in those newspaper birth announcements remembers seeing a young white woman with a black child at that time,something that would be noticed in that era.More importantly,no one has claimed the 100K reward offered by a businessman to anyone who can prove that they witnessed Obama’s birth(or at least worked in the hospital nursery).What happened to them?Did they all hit Powerball?Abducted by UFO’S?Swallowed up by black holes?

    In 1959,I was right about Van Doren.In 1972,I was right about Nixon.I’m going for the trifecta here.

  • 28. rager  |  August 15th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Old people need to die sooner, instead of the government spending my annual income to keep their mindless husks alive one more day.

  • 29. Frank McG  |  August 16th, 2009 at 2:25 am

    I don’t think anyone claiming that private sectors are automatically more efficient than the government has actually worked in a corporate environment a day in their life.

    I also don’t think anyone claiming doomsday waiting times and doctor rationing has actually spoken to anyone living in a socialized medicine country.

  • 30. Jimbo  |  August 16th, 2009 at 4:51 am

    White trash Americans must like it in the behind or something. Damn get on SSI and then move to a country where you can live cheap on Uncle Porker’s dollar. I mean fuck the US governement before it fucks you.

  • 31. moser  |  August 16th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    USA is in debt larger than imagination. There’s no money for medical care for everyone. US can’t pay for the bloated, corrupt medical programs that are already dragging it to the poorhouse. National healthcare is a death sentence.

  • 32. pe2e  |  August 16th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    the 70’s movie called ‘soylent green’ springs to mind.

  • 33. robert chambers  |  August 16th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    The healthcare situation is a nightmare in the USA, even for those of us with primo coverage. But to assume it would improve in the hands of this gang of frauds is completely ridiculous. I can already picture the people who work at NHC… forget it! There are certain problems in life that are insoluble.

  • 34. Matt S.  |  August 17th, 2009 at 4:45 am

    What a completely idiotic article. Does anyone out there on either side of the healthcare debate believe that the individual is first and foremost required to provide preventive care for themselves through diet, exercise, and healthy lifestyle choices?

    Apparently not since 99.9% of what I read on the internet is still stuck in the false blame-right/left dichotomy like this article.

  • 35. Captain Teeb  |  August 18th, 2009 at 12:45 am

    @aPeasant

    I know what you’re saying, and you have a point: “Let’s get some plan, any plan, out there and then tinker with it, as it’s gotta be better than what we’re doing now”. In a more normal country, that might work.

    But in a highly polarized, emotional, and poorly-read population, what will work? Maybe the military option you suggest has the greatest likelihood of success.

    But what about a plan that is so bloated and focused on protecting the industry that it gives govt-managed healthcare an even worse name than it has now?

    Since making my first post, I’ve had the idea that maybe Obamacare is a stealth bailout for the healthcare industry. After all, what will they do when most Americans are too poor to afford expensive care? Their pool of paying customers is shrinking. So help your campaign contributors and look like FDR at the same time.

  • 36. Plamen Petkov  |  August 19th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    What a great and informative article. You managed to explain everything in perfectly simple and easy to understand terms. Congrds are in order.
    Also, I am impressed by the responses. Most are intelligible and smart people who understand the problem very well. Except of course for the few who obvious shills and trolls who have NOTHIGN constructive to say except to spew the usual crappola.

    While in USA I did work for Sunrise hospital one of the biggest on the West USA that was parr of a bigf corporation. I have seen the raw data daily reports reports coming in every day at at 10 AM and this place was making 3 million a day net profit. After expenses, they had 1.5 million left. Not bad I say. Yet I have witnessed cases where the ER turned a way a homeless man who had just suffered a heart attack and he died right on the grass infront of the hospital. That’s USA for you.

  • 37. Angela  |  August 25th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Read…Behold a Pale Horse…They protect it because you protect what you love! It is evil and so are they, it really boils down to people admitting that the only reason we do things that are A– backwards, is because this is a mirror image of heaven, which some people have called HELL, we are in their land and we are the few…It is the battle…and we are losing!

  • 38. Hard Right  |  August 31st, 2009 at 10:51 am

    We’re not killing enough of them fast enough. They breed like rats.

  • 39. Ben  |  September 10th, 2009 at 7:14 am

    Your stupid!

  • 40. David C.  |  September 14th, 2009 at 7:11 am

    I find it funny when people scream and yell about the necessity of “universal” health care. If this is a “right” and so moral, why use the IRS’ cops’ guns to prevent me from opting entirely out of it (or out of Medicare, for that matter)? What kind of right is it where you, my neighbor, sticks a gun in my face and takes my wallet to pay for your “system?” The fact that you are wedded to a system that rests entirely on coercion (no change from the current 100% government-regulated system) reveals the putrescence of your beliefs. It also reveals a logical fallacy the size of a truck, that the debate today is only between the execrable government regulated system of today and the proposed government run system of your Utopian future. Why not try separation of medicine and state for a while, and see what the same incentive structure operative in the computer industry might yield for people’s health?

  • 41. John Brown  |  September 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    @40 Because you are a fucking tool. That’s why.

    “We want to make our community organizations democratic and militant and winning goals. I have no problem with fighting for reformist goals. If you can’t afford your rent, then you can’t live. So, you know what: I want rent control. If you can’t afford groceries because there’s no grocery store in your neighbourhood, because no grocery store would open up in that neighbourhood for whatever screwed up reasons – then I want a grocery store in there. If I could get it through reformist means, I will. . . when we fight for a raise and we learn how to fight together in a direct action sort of way, we win, we get stuff, and we become relevant. If we bring that – I don’t care if someone calls it anarchist or whatever, they can call it Dr. Seuss for all I care – when we win serious things for people that we’re involved in as well, we’re relevant and it’ll mean something.”


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